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sled down again
- 3rd time engine failure 800 cleanfire
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March 30th 2009 at 5:44 PM
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800dragon
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my new 800 dragon down again for 3rd time, only have 2500. Is polaris goen fix these pieces of junk or what. I'm sick of being towed, stranded, you guys know the deal, it sucks. Anyone with answers, or should i burn it
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March 30th 2009 at 5:49 PM
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CatDude97
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214 Posts 
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Member Since: November 22nd 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Current Sled: 98 Arctic Cat Cougar
2008-2009 Miles: 2500
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burn it, its a polaris! jk. I know what its like sometimes i would like to have a bonfire on the lake with my sled.
97 Cougar(Burned=Write Off)
98 Cougar dlx
-1" Camoplast Tack
-Orange Grip plates
-Orange Vent Kit
"If you aint riding a Cat, it must be a Dog!!!"
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March 30th 2009 at 5:49 PM
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GreenMachine00
Driving a Red Machine
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670 Posts 
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Member Since: February 14th 2006
Location: Detroit Lakes, Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 2005 Polaris RMK 700
2008-2009 Miles: 500
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These new 800's are nothing but problems, i wouldnt waste my time and money on one. Get a Cat!
2005 Polaris RMK 700
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151" Track, SLP Pipe, SLP Can,
TEAM Industries Clutching, Gutted Airbox,
V-Force 3 Reeds, Ported & Polished, SLP Powder Pro Skis,
Red Cobra Windshield, Boost Bottle, 6" Risers.
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March 30th 2009 at 5:55 PM
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CatDude97
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214 Posts
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Member Since: November 22nd 2008
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Current Sled: 98 Arctic Cat Cougar
2008-2009 Miles: 2500
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^^^ Well said, and welcome to the forum!
97 Cougar(Burned=Write Off)
98 Cougar dlx
-1" Camoplast Tack
-Orange Grip plates
-Orange Vent Kit
"If you aint riding a Cat, it must be a Dog!!!"
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March 30th 2009 at 6:03 PM
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Polaristhewayout
Rider of sleds
Polaristhewayout Now with over 1000 irrelevant posts.
Updated Sunday at 9:10 PM
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1010 Posts 
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Member Since: November 25th 2008
Location: Webster, South Dakota
Current Sled: 02 pro-x 440, Indy 500
2008-2009 Miles: 100
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i'm a hugely polaris biased person and i would agree that the newer 800's are crap. post whats wrong with it though and maybe someone can help.
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March 30th 2009 at 6:11 PM
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800dragon
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Quote originally posted by CatDude97
^^^ Well said, and welcome to the forum!
Thank U for the Welcome, nice, I had a cat f10 for 2 yrs & that blew up too. But, most all the sleds I,ve had over the past 30 yrs have done the same thing. Having an engine go down is a lot better then having the track roll off at 100. I had to use my spare 800 legend for the other 1000 this yr. Its hard to get back to a low slinger.
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March 30th 2009 at 6:14 PM
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mmiller491
Adrenaline Junkie
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688 Posts
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Member Since: February 6th 2009
Location: Where ever the snow is, Michigan, USA
Current Sled: 1998 SRX 700 Triple
2008-2009 Miles: 500
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3 times at 2500 miles?!? Good Lord dont even get me started Im gonna quit looking at this thread now.
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March 30th 2009 at 6:28 PM
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800dragon
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Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
i'm a hugely polaris biased person and i would agree that the newer 800's are crap. post whats wrong with it though and maybe someone can help.
Thanks, I e mailed polaris a good one & a lot of the dealers have said they are going to come up with a fix (new motor,ecu,etc.) something about pistons to small from the vendor, but bottom end mint. Thing is Maine has one of the best Lemon laws around, with respect to the 3 time failure. Over 35 yrs riding I have had a lot of sleds. I,ve had a blast with all of them
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March 30th 2009 at 6:33 PM
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powdermadd440
guzzlin' gas and haulin ass
powdermadd440 Will a frontier bellypan fit on a switchback? Check my thread...
Updated Sunday at 9:56 AM
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Member Since: October 15th 2005
Location: Fairfield, ME, USA
Current Sled: 2001 edge x 600
2008-2009 Miles: 779
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Quote originally posted by 800dragon
Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
i'm a hugely polaris biased person and i would agree that the newer 800's are crap. post whats wrong with it though and maybe someone can help.
Thanks, I e mailed polaris a good one & a lot of the dealers have said they are going to come up with a fix (new motor,ecu,etc.) something about pistons to small from the vendor, but bottom end mint. Thing is Maine has one of the best Lemon laws around, with respect to the 3 time failure. Over 35 yrs riding I have had a lot of sleds. I,ve had a blast with all of them
Sucks about the sled... Where you from in maine?
2001 edge x 600, Vforce 3 reeds, SLP boost bottle, SLP can, yellow primary spring, 4" RSI risers, RSI backcountry bars, RSI gel wraps, Acerbis hand guards, yellow skidplate, Simmons skis, 1 3/8" camoplast track, RSI ice scratchers
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March 30th 2009 at 6:49 PM
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800dragon
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Quote originally posted by powdermadd440
Quote originally posted by 800dragon
Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
i'm a hugely polaris biased person and i would agree that the newer 800's are crap. post whats wrong with it though and maybe someone can help.
Thanks, I e mailed polaris a good one & a lot of the dealers have said they are going to come up with a fix (new motor,ecu,etc.) something about pistons to small from the vendor, but bottom end mint. Thing is Maine has one of the best Lemon laws around, with respect to the 3 time failure. Over 35 yrs riding I have had a lot of sleds. I,ve had a blast with all of them
from windham, (sebago lake area) but most riding is in the County or Western/northern maine.
Sucks about the sled... Where you from in maine?
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March 30th 2009 at 7:23 PM
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Start a leaf pile on fire tell your insurance guy it must've been too close to the fire....or put it on the trailer and "forget" to tie it down!! 
General in the Anti-Catsdouche06 army, saving the world from stupidity and inbreeding!
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March 30th 2009 at 7:49 PM
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Polaristhewayout
Rider of sleds
Polaristhewayout Now with over 1000 irrelevant posts.
Updated Sunday at 9:10 PM
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Member Since: November 25th 2008
Location: Webster, South Dakota
Current Sled: 02 pro-x 440, Indy 500
2008-2009 Miles: 100
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Quote originally posted by 800dragon
Quote originally posted by powdermadd440
Quote originally posted by 800dragon
Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
i'm a hugely polaris biased person and i would agree that the newer 800's are crap. post whats wrong with it though and maybe someone can help.
Thanks, I e mailed polaris a good one & a lot of the dealers have said they are going to come up with a fix (new motor,ecu,etc.) something about pistons to small from the vendor, but bottom end mint. Thing is Maine has one of the best Lemon laws around, with respect to the 3 time failure. Over 35 yrs riding I have had a lot of sleds. I,ve had a blast with all of them
from windham, (sebago lake area) but most riding is in the County or Western/northern maine.
Sucks about the sled... Where you from in maine?
i've seen a lot on scored pistons and some messed up cranks as well
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March 31st 2009 at 8:06 PM
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800dragon
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Quote originally posted by ultrastud
Start a leaf pile on fire tell your insurance guy it must've been too close to the fire....or put it on the trailer and "forget" to tie it down!!
I know what your saying, but its hard, I crashed my unit in a school yard & got a check for 3500.oo. Fixed it myself and was able to get all 4 walker shocks
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March 31st 2009 at 8:40 PM
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polguy
Dragon-Fly
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12 Posts
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Member Since: March 10th 2009
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
Current Sled: 09 800 Dragon
2008-2009 Miles: 1000
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I've been doing some research and testing. The fix to mine has been, (wait for it) an exhaust can. It fattened up the mid-range, which I learned, seems to be the problem. More problems have been showing up on the trails where you may be in the 5000-7000 rpm range, the fuel map is too lean here and causes irregular throttle response and even bogging. I put on an exhaust can and it brought the 09 800 to life for the first time. I don't know if all cans are equal, mine is from a sled shop in Revelstoke B.C. Canada. Only problem now is it is too loud. (XP riders says this when I come to help him get unstuck) ha ha just joking!!
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March 31st 2009 at 11:59 PM
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btoeps74
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Quote originally posted by 800dragon
Quote originally posted by CatDude97
^^^ Well said, and welcome to the forum!
Thank U for the Welcome, nice, I had a cat f10 for 2 yrs & that blew up too. But, most all the sleds I,ve had over the past 30 yrs have done the same thing. Having an engine go down is a lot better then having the track roll off at 100. I had to use my spare 800 legend for the other 1000 this yr. Its hard to get back to a low slinger.
Sounds like you have bad luck with any sled let alone a D8,lol
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April 1st 2009 at 8:36 AM
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FUSION900PA
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Member Since: October 20th 2005
Location: Edinburg, PA, USA
Current Sled: SNOW CHECK 09 D8 SP
2008-2009 Miles: 1100
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There will be a fix. I really believe polaris will make this right. There was a new letter from polaris as of march 24th stating they will have good within 60 days. Currently they are testing a set up on the dyno and in sleds across the country at different elevations and so far it seems they may have the fix. Plus the are supposed to give another year warranty once they have the fix.
This was in a letter from polaris to their dealers.
Hopefully this will be the permanent fix. It seems to just be a mapping problem and possibly a piston problem.
"If you ain't first, you're last" Ricky Bobby
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April 1st 2009 at 8:48 AM
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BISSHYS REPAIR
dragon tammer
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1197 Posts
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Member Since: February 21st 2004
Location: Kelvington, SK, Canada
Current Sled: 09 dragon 07 600 iq
2008-2009 Miles: 750
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if you ride in the trails at 30 to 50 mph the sled runs to lean and melts the piston and the can thing is true any one with a can has not blowen up around here and no crank problems yet
holder to the pin turn left. (dale jr)
09 dragon is here
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April 1st 2009 at 9:28 AM
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FUSION900PA
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942 Posts
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Member Since: October 20th 2005
Location: Edinburg, PA, USA
Current Sled: SNOW CHECK 09 D8 SP
2008-2009 Miles: 1100
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I've had a pc III with a richened mid range on the sled since it had 150 miles and i am now showing slight scoring. It isn't just the mapping, the new flash also advanced timing. I haven't gotten the new reflash yet because polaris is stating that another permanent fix is coming with in 60 days.
Bisshy, i know you work closely with this stuff, do you think this is something that will/can be fixed?
"If you ain't first, you're last" Ricky Bobby
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April 1st 2009 at 10:50 AM
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btoeps74
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Quote originally posted by FUSION900PA I've had a pc III with a richened mid range on the sled since it had 150 miles and i am now showing slight scoring. It isn't just the mapping, the new flash also advanced timing. I haven't gotten the new reflash yet because polaris is stating that another permanent fix is coming with in 60 days. Bisshy, i know you work closely with this stuff, do you think this is something that will/can be fixed? I believe this will be a legitimate solution. Some of the things that they will be doing is the stuff they should of done in the first place, such as double ring pistons and pistons that actually fit. I am not sure but I am thinking I either read it on a forum or from my dealer that they might be putting in a revised fuel injection system. Not a 100% on that part so don't quote me yet. In a way some of this is all our faults. We as consumers demand lower prices and as a result get lower quality. Take the pistons. They were made for years by elka. Polaris shopped around and that italian company outbid elka and now is partially half of the 800's problem to date. Lower prices can also attribute to missing grease fittings. I see this at where I work also. We make ductile iron castings for all the major import and domestic auto companies and also Cat and john deer. Hell one of our plants makes all the rotors for nascar. But every year we lose bids for jobs to Chinese iron mills or lessor companies in the states. And just about ever time we end up getting that work back for the simple fact that as cheap as they make it for, the quality just is not there. Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for a machine that I KNOW is gonna run like a champ and keep me on the trails for years. I was reading a post somewhere about cats new 800 with the higher output but abnormally high price tag. Gonna be honest when I say I don't know cats fit and finish on there sleds, But if it is of good quality, then they would of hammered my point down. Cheap prices and great quality don't always go together. This is all just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt I guess. Later everyone.
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April 1st 2009 at 11:41 AM
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98xc7guy
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Quote originally posted by 800dragon
my new 800 dragon down again for 3rd time, only have 2500. Is polaris goen fix these pieces of junk or what. I'm sick of being towed, stranded, you guys know the deal, it sucks. Anyone with answers, or should i burn it
my buddy has the piston problem with his too. Why would polaris use cheap single wring pistons in new high hp sleds ? My 98 xc700 has the original pistons n wrings in her yet and the spedo says almost 11,000 not so easy miles on it. guess shows how cheap the factories are getting and selling for top dollar
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April 1st 2009 at 12:24 PM
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white lightning
"The AFTERBURNER"
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Location: New York, USA
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2008-2009 Miles: 400miles
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because Polaris seems to be using cheaper products to make the most amt of money. Its like buying a 12oz steak and ended up with 10oz - youre not getting what you paid for. WL
My neighbor used to say, " The speed that thrills, the speed that kills "
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April 1st 2009 at 12:29 PM
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picman
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picman is off to bag his buck. I hope. Skunked so far.
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Location: Marinette, WI, USA
Current Sled: 1998 Polaris Ultra
2008-2009 Miles: 1145
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Quote originally posted by 98xc7guy
Quote originally posted by 800dragon
my new 800 dragon down again for 3rd time, only have 2500. Is polaris goen fix these pieces of junk or what. I'm sick of being towed, stranded, you guys know the deal, it sucks. Anyone with answers, or should i burn it
my buddy has the piston problem with his too. Why would polaris use cheap single wring pistons in new high hp sleds ? My 98 xc700 has the original pistons n wrings in her yet and the spedo says almost 11,000 not so easy miles on it. guess shows how cheap the factories are getting and selling for top dollar
They do it because an engineer said it could be done and some bean counter told the mucky mucks it would add profit. Anyone old enough to remember the Ford Pinto and the fire problems in rear end crashes? Ford made about a buck extra profit assembling the vehicle the way they did. Accountants figured the chances of a fire were small and felt it was worth the risk.
Like btoeps74 said, everyone wants to save a buck. I also work in the auto supply industry and have seen us lose business for pennies on the dollar.
In the long run, QUALITY pays for itself!
Find the line between respect and fear....then flirt with it
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April 1st 2009 at 4:11 PM
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BISSHYS REPAIR
dragon tammer
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Member Since: February 21st 2004
Location: Kelvington, SK, Canada
Current Sled: 09 dragon 07 600 iq
2008-2009 Miles: 750
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f9pa i donot know if they can fix it or not there is a place in quebec that is wathcing this very closely there tuner is ready for the 600 but every time they frig with the program on the 800 they have to fix theres the epa is realy watching polaris to make sure they get it right
holder to the pin turn left. (dale jr)
09 dragon is here
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April 1st 2009 at 4:34 PM
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powersledder
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Location: Houghton, MI, USA
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2008-2009 Miles: No Speedo
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Polaris 800HO monoblock cylinder for sale PM me with offers
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April 1st 2009 at 11:29 PM
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btoeps74
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Hey Picman. They should let your company make the pistons for polaris. If you guy's are good enough to make pistons for Harley's, then should be able to make them for polaris. Also would save money in shipping seeing as it is closer for them to get there pistons from Wisconsin then from Italy. And even better help our local economy.
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