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Triple in IQr chassis
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April 11th 2009 at 8:58 PM
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triple650
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Quote originally posted by gordonchaine
I know it makes more power. I'm using the price motor because I already have the XCR 800 motor. It seems to me that it would be much easier to just send the motor I already have to him with $5000 or whatever and get back a running 220 horse motor that will bolt right up to a motor plate. Vs. selling the motor I have, finding a good priced watercraft base and then all the snowmobile parts to go on it, having all the work done, and making a base plate. I don't really want to send a bunch of time looking for parts ya know. Like I said, if someones got a more powerful WC motor that they wanna sell or know of one, I'll buy. Plus how much more do these things weigh?? Madcow made it seem like it was quite a bit more then the price motor and that to me is big also.
you can pretty much get everythin from http://www.poweraddictionracing.com/main...roducts.pl
it is a bit heavier because it is bigger, like the crank on it is massive, and so is the cases. look threw that site.
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April 11th 2009 at 9:05 PM
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gordonchaine
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Yeah I've seen that sit, I plan on calling them for pipes and base plate.
What's your problem? RUFWM?
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April 11th 2009 at 10:04 PM
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xc1000
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Gordon, your doing the right thing by building off the xcr bottom end. They are plenty strong and you can make a ton of power off the xcr base. HTG builds 1200's that make 300 hundred horse and the xcr stays together all day long. Watercraft bottom ends are strong but they are not as commonly used. There just is alot more performance parts available fot the xcr. The only thing I would like to see you do is go with a ves top end. More power, better throttle response, and in my opinion a smoother running engine. To each is own, Price makes a good motor too. I'm pretty lucky, price performance and HTG are both about 5 minutes away from me so parts and advise are pretty close.
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April 11th 2009 at 10:29 PM
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triple650
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Quote originally posted by xc1000
Gordon, your doing the right thing by building off the xcr bottom end. They are plenty strong and you can make a ton of power off the xcr base. HTG builds 1200's that make 300 hundred horse and the xcr stays together all day long. Watercraft bottom ends are strong but they are not as commonly used. There just is alot more performance parts available fot the xcr. The only thing I would like to see you do is go with a ves top end. More power, better throttle response, and in my opinion a smoother running engine. To each is own, Price makes a good motor too. I'm pretty lucky, price performance and HTG are both about 5 minutes away from me so parts and advise are pretty close.
what do you meen there not as commonly used? when building a WC triple there all ways used besides, you dont even use the wc crank, you only use the cases. not to mention the WC triple crank is much bigger and stronger then the punie xcr crank.
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April 11th 2009 at 10:30 PM
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gordonchaine
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Thanks for all the motor input................anyone have any pics or helpful input on getting it into a IQr chassis? Do I have to change the bulk head to get the motor in there? How about the longtrack idea? anyone done this or riding on with a long track?
What's your problem? RUFWM?
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April 11th 2009 at 11:27 PM
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Polaristhewayout
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Quote originally posted by gordonchaine
Thanks for all the motor input................anyone have any pics or helpful input on getting it into a IQr chassis? Do I have to change the bulk head to get the motor in there? How about the longtrack idea? anyone done this or riding on with a long track?
i'm pretty sure erick has his longtracked.
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April 12th 2009 at 8:08 AM
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xc1000
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Quote originally posted by triple650
[quote=originally posted by xc1000]
Gordon, your doing the right thing by building off the xcr bottom end. They are plenty strong and you can make a ton of power off the xcr base. HTG builds 1200's that make 300 hundred horse and the xcr stays together all day long. Watercraft bottom ends are strong but they are not as commonly used. There just is alot more performance parts available fot the xcr. The only thing I would like to see you do is go with a ves top end. More power, better throttle response, and in my opinion a smoother running engine. To each is own, Price makes a good motor too. I'm pretty lucky, price performance and HTG are both about 5 minutes away from me so parts and advise are pretty close.
what do you meen there not as commonly used? when building a WC triple there all ways used besides, you dont even use the wc crank, you only use the cases. not to mention the WC triple crank is much bigger and stronger then the punie xcr crank.
[/quot My htg 1000 was an awesome motor, I beat the hell out of it and it was plenty strong. Thats why I prefer the xcr bottom end. Do you have any experience with either one of these motors or converting them into another sled such as an IQ or an edge? If you did you wouldnt call the xcr puny.
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April 12th 2009 at 9:44 AM
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one of the reasons i went with price over htg is at the races there a 10 times the htg and crank shop and psi engines vs price or hooper powered sleds. but its the price, hooper or union bay engines that are always setting the records or running in the top.
a big advantage price castings has over htg is that he doesnt use ves system, I love my xcr but hate the ves, when you are making the hp and torque of these big motors you dont need it for low speed driving. the advantage along with lower cost and less maintenance is that the exhaust port has more cooling around it and can be made larger.
htg 1200 kit is not as great as it seems, they have a hard time keeping the cranks holding together. for the average trail rider you are better off to stay stock crank. this is not my opinion this is what some htg dealers have told me.
one big thing is when you talk to mark on the phone at price perf. is that he might have lots of pauses or seem distant. but he answers the phone and is not a complete ass to you like htg is.
for the cost, of a semi machine kit.
2800 for the kit,
i can get pistons for 350 for the set of 3.
pipes fitted are about 1000-1200
unfitted is 650
the purpose of the semi kit is that you can do your own porting and machining, if you have basic college machine skills you can easily build this motor.
if you cant cut the heads mark can cut them for 80 dollars each.
i will have about 4 grand into my 1029 if i ever get it done and that will include crank work.
for the wc vs small block, its hard to beat displacement. a trail price motor done by mark is a drivable 220 hp with a very wide tunning windo. a 1200 wc done by mark is the 250-260 range of hp with a lot more torque. but for the cost of doing a big bore xcr with all brand new parts and machining yourself you would have a hard time finding used parts and getting them to working order. yes if you look around you can find used pipes and stuff. but there is usually a reason a guy is getting rid of pipes, they dont work as good as the ones he has now. same with used cylinders, if a guy has a 1200 wc and is selling parts off it why would you want them. he had them and replaced them with better stuff so why start with someone elses mistakes.
on the ice, only in open mod do you see the wc really start to shine. in lake racer a well setup sled based engine will run with or beat a wc just as easily as a wc can beat a sled based big bore.
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April 12th 2009 at 11:01 AM
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triple650
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Quote originally posted by xc1000
Quote originally posted by triple650
[quote=originally posted by xc1000]
Gordon, your doing the right thing by building off the xcr bottom end. They are plenty strong and you can make a ton of power off the xcr base. HTG builds 1200's that make 300 hundred horse and the xcr stays together all day long. Watercraft bottom ends are strong but they are not as commonly used. There just is alot more performance parts available fot the xcr. The only thing I would like to see you do is go with a ves top end. More power, better throttle response, and in my opinion a smoother running engine. To each is own, Price makes a good motor too. I'm pretty lucky, price performance and HTG are both about 5 minutes away from me so parts and advise are pretty close.
what do you meen there not as commonly used? when building a WC triple there all ways used besides, you dont even use the wc crank, you only use the cases. not to mention the WC triple crank is much bigger and stronger then the punie xcr crank.
[/quot My htg 1000 was an awesome motor, I beat the hell out of it and it was plenty strong. Thats why I prefer the xcr bottom end. Do you have any experience with either one of these motors or converting them into another sled such as an IQ or an edge? If you did you wouldnt call the xcr puny.
no i have never built one, but i have seen pics and read a hole lot about them, the WC triple crank is twice the size of the stock xcr crank, because your taking 2 800 twin cranks and putting them together to make one, the 800 twin crank is much bigger then the xcr crank so when its made to a triple crank it is way bigger, thats what i meen by puny.
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April 12th 2009 at 11:33 AM
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Since we are talking about big HP motors you guys gotta hear this. Brad Wursten (1200PSI on SW and owner of PowerAddiction) just got done dynoing his 1500 WC and here are the numbers, 326HP and 200 ft/lbs of torque, all motor, no turbo, no nitrous. This thing is a turbo killer. All I gotta say is way to go Brad!
1200 WC coming soon
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April 12th 2009 at 11:38 AM
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gordonchaine
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You guys can go on with this all you want. I'm using the Price Perf. set up and I don't care if it costs me $2000 more or less or whatever. When I do get it together your all welcome to bring a watercraft powered sled down and ride em both and then tell me why it's so much better.
What's your problem? RUFWM?
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April 12th 2009 at 2:12 PM
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triple650
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Quote originally posted by the_hog
Since we are talking about big HP motors you guys gotta hear this. Brad Wursten (1200PSI on SW and owner of PowerAddiction) just got done dynoing his 1500 WC and here are the numbers, 326HP and 200 ft/lbs of torque, all motor, no turbo, no nitrous. This thing is a turbo killer. All I gotta say is way to go Brad!
that is crazy, what cylinders did he use?
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April 13th 2009 at 10:21 AM
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Here ya go gordon a few more pics of what i've found...
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April 13th 2009 at 4:04 PM
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gordonchaine
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That last one is unreal.
What's your problem? RUFWM?
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April 13th 2009 at 4:23 PM
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here is a guy selling his wrecked one with a xcr 800 in it. I'd ask him for a little info. http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread....wrecked+iq
For the guys talking about the cranks, here is the difference
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April 13th 2009 at 5:10 PM
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gordonchaine
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^^^Thanks buddy.^^^
Nice crank.  
What's your problem? RUFWM?
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April 13th 2009 at 5:31 PM
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triple650
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thank you thats the pic i was looking for, did you get that from the diy watercraft thread on snowest? pretty shure thats where i seen it, i didnt feel like looking through all 49? pages lol even though ive already read threw it.
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April 13th 2009 at 5:41 PM
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Yep, thats where it is from. I saved most of the pics on the DIY W/C pages. I'm looking into building one and trying to collect the parts for it.
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April 14th 2009 at 8:41 PM
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triple650
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Quote originally posted by 2L8ULuz
Yep, thats where it is from. I saved most of the pics on the DIY W/C pages. I'm looking into building one and trying to collect the parts for it.
ah ic, ive read through the hole thread very interesting i would like to build one but need the money, pretty expensive, but less expensive then a new sled.
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April 14th 2009 at 10:45 PM
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Quote originally posted by ultrastud
Here ya go gordon a few more pics of what i've found...
Holy sh!t the way those pipes are snaked around in there i think it would be interesting to see how they were made. Also looks like a pain in the ass to work on, you'd be pullin off the pipes all the time. just my .02
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April 15th 2009 at 8:15 AM
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looking at the mass in the cranks, the small triple would be way more snappy, alot less mass to accelerate quickly.
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April 15th 2009 at 9:32 AM
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i know you said you want the price motor, but if youre interested a few months back there was a storm based 1200 set up for an IQR for sale, it included everything from plate to pipes and was going CHEAP. motor did need rebuilt. i can try and find the contact info on that and see if its still available.
MY 2 CENTS is ill never have another motor built, theres too many people needing oney right now, ive seen wc motors complete running with pipes for around 3 grand. hell ive seen whole sleds set up around 5
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April 15th 2009 at 10:22 AM
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I wonder how the motor out of this would work in a sled?
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April 15th 2009 at 7:53 PM
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gordonchaine
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Quote originally posted by madcow
looking at the mass in the cranks, the small triple would be way more snappy, alot less mass to accelerate quickly.
I thought the same thing. Quote originally posted by bigwedgies
i know you said you want the price motor, but if youre interested a few months back there was a storm based 1200 set up for an IQR for sale, it included everything from plate to pipes and was going CHEAP. motor did need rebuilt. i can try and find the contact info on that and see if its still available.
MY 2 CENTS is ill never have another motor built, theres too many people needing oney right now, ive seen wc motors complete running with pipes for around 3 grand. hell ive seen whole sleds set up around 5
Yeah Madcow already found me one used Price motor complete with pipes for $3500.
What's your problem? RUFWM?
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April 16th 2009 at 3:51 PM
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triple650
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Quote originally posted by ultrastud
I wonder how the motor out of this would work in a sled?
depends how many cc's but there all pretty much the same, the only thing you use from the stock wc engine is the cases wich need to be machined to fit the 800 cylinders, much easier to get it directly from power adiction.
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