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Sway bars out
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April 17th 2009 at 9:27 PM
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tdgbigfoot
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On my 99 SKS 700, both sway bars are out, and i think the person i got it from did it. I was wondering what the plus and minus' are about this?
I heard that it allows better boondocking, which is what i do with that sled. 
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April 17th 2009 at 9:41 PM
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It will probably be more tippy on the trails but easier to throw around in good snow. Main thing it does is try to keep the suspension equalized to keep the sled flat. I don't know how it would be riding my Dragon without the sway bar, it takes little to nothing to get that thing tipped over....
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April 17th 2009 at 9:44 PM
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Ok, that's how i want it- the thing i sawfully heavy, and i need all the help i can get to tip it over in powder, all of my 6'3" 190 lbs.
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April 17th 2009 at 9:49 PM
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Quote originally posted by tdgbigfoot
Ok, that's how i want it- the thing i sawfully heavy, and i need all the help i can get to tip it over in powder, all of my 6'3" 190 lbs.
man, you should be able to lean that sled right over in powder with no problem. do you have the handlebars raised? as stated above, the lack of a swaybar can negatively effect handling in a trail, but is better off trail. my pro-xr has no swaybar and handles awesome on the trail. i keep the front pretty stiff.
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April 17th 2009 at 9:54 PM
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Quote originally posted by Customized89Trail
Quote originally posted by tdgbigfoot
Ok, that's how i want it- the thing i sawfully heavy, and i need all the help i can get to tip it over in powder, all of my 6'3" 190 lbs.
man, you should be able to lean that sled right over in powder with no problem. do you have the handlebars raised? as stated above, the lack of a swaybar can negatively effect handling in a trail, but is better off trail. my pro-xr has no swaybar and handles awesome on the trail. i keep the front pretty stiff.
Yeah...Get a riser on that thing, right about at your lower hips so you don't have to bend over is perfect. Harder than new sled to tip but still doable...more leverage is always good.
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April 17th 2009 at 9:57 PM
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I know a lot of snow x'ers in the mid and late 90's used to detach them so when they would hit a jump or land off camber the sled would not twist them as much. Each ski acts more independent. They were not allowed to remove them (keeping sled in stock condition), so they were often zip tied or secured to the body some other way.
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April 17th 2009 at 10:10 PM
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dtmmil
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If you plan to put a decent size riser on it, plan for a stiffer steering post also, you will bend yours.
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April 17th 2009 at 10:14 PM
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Quote originally posted by dtmmil
If you plan to put a decent size riser on it, plan for a stiffer steering post also, you will bend yours.
If it is a solid post (non adjustable) it will be pretty hard to bend. I haven't had a bit riser on older machines but have had a huge rise/position advantage on my Vector and never bent the post, have a huge rise on the Dragon with the pro tapers plus a 2" riser on it and never bent a post. Pro X2 had 6" stock and never bent a post. 99 Powder Special had 3 inches on it and never bent it.
The new Cats with the "adjustable" post have had 1 problem, the guy is 6'8" and over 250 and rode it hard for over 1500 miles before breaking it.
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April 17th 2009 at 10:19 PM
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Quote originally posted by tdgbigfoot Ok, that's how i want it- the thing i sawfully heavy, and i need all the help i can get to tip it over in powder, all of my 6'3" 190 lbs. Haha, i got a 99 RMK and am 6' and 180 pounds, small world huh.  I took the sway bar outta my rmk and i have to say it handles much better off the trail. On the trail its a little gushy, but not tippy like if you took the sway bar off a new sled. The big plus to having the sway bar off is that you can start a sidehill much easier, carving is much easier and you can really throw the sled around in the trees. I also got simmons flexi-skis so its a great setup for boondocking. Quote originally posted by dtmmil If you plan to put a decent size riser on it, plan for a stiffer steering post also, you will bend yours. Yeah, i got a 4 inch riser with raised renthal bars. But i put a triangle support on my steering post.
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April 17th 2009 at 10:27 PM
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dtmmil
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Quote originally posted by ACG
Quote originally posted by dtmmil
If you plan to put a decent size riser on it, plan for a stiffer steering post also, you will bend yours.
If it is a solid post (non adjustable) it will be pretty hard to bend. I haven't had a bit riser on older machines but have had a huge rise/position advantage on my Vector and never bent the post, have a huge rise on the Dragon with the pro tapers plus a 2" riser on it and never bent a post. Pro X2 had 6" stock and never bent a post. 99 Powder Special had 3 inches on it and never bent it.
The new Cats with the "adjustable" post have had 1 problem, the guy is 6'8" and over 250 and rode it hard for over 1500 miles before breaking it.
Haha, these posts on the GenII are very thin, hollow tubing, I have about 8" of rise on mine, I can't get it straight anymore, it is a very cheesy setup right from the factory. They stick a piece of tubing inside down to the upper support, not below it so it actually supports anything, right to it so it give it the perfect place to bend.
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April 17th 2009 at 10:30 PM
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tdgbigfoot
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Well, i can put the sled over if i put my weight into it- but it's not as easy as my 86 indy trail, proably the extra hundred lbs. I do not have a riser yet, but i am planning on a five inch with adapter
I also have c&A pro skis. THe thing handles awesome in the steep and deep, there's nothing like it where im from, everyone's got trail sleds.
Thanks for all the replies.
And yeah, it is a small world. usually works out, though, right?
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April 17th 2009 at 10:41 PM
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You should be able to pull that thing over super easy if you got risers. I rode my sled this year with a 3 inch riser and loved how easy it was to pull over. Its not exactly the lightest thing on snow either. I also weight about 170 with all my gear on and stand about 5 feet 9 inches so im a pretty small guy.
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April 17th 2009 at 10:44 PM
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Quote originally posted by dtmmil
Quote originally posted by ACG
Quote originally posted by dtmmil
If you plan to put a decent size riser on it, plan for a stiffer steering post also, you will bend yours.
If it is a solid post (non adjustable) it will be pretty hard to bend. I haven't had a bit riser on older machines but have had a huge rise/position advantage on my Vector and never bent the post, have a huge rise on the Dragon with the pro tapers plus a 2" riser on it and never bent a post. Pro X2 had 6" stock and never bent a post. 99 Powder Special had 3 inches on it and never bent it.
The new Cats with the "adjustable" post have had 1 problem, the guy is 6'8" and over 250 and rode it hard for over 1500 miles before breaking it.
Haha, these posts on the GenII are very thin, hollow tubing, I have about 8" of rise on mine, I can't get it straight anymore, it is a very cheesy setup right from the factory. They stick a piece of tubing inside down to the upper support, not below it so it actually supports anything, right to it so it give it the perfect place to bend.
Sorry to say but a hollow tube is stronger than a solid post....More surface area...
I don't disagree that they may be we
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April 17th 2009 at 10:48 PM
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I hear you about the tubing, but this stuff is thin, if you put a riser on a gen II you can feel it flex every time you lean into it a bit, it seems like its just the GenIIs also.
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April 17th 2009 at 11:15 PM
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I know that at times my bars have felt like they are bending some. But there is also a lot of slop in the steering system, so i might just be feeling that. Im curious though, how hard is it to take the sway bar on and off of these sleds? Around here we arent trying to hug any corners, just ditches and drifts. I just want to be able to throw it around easier for here, and maybe try riding trails with it off some to see if there is a big difference. Right now i have very little inside ski lift so it doesnt bother me at all.
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April 17th 2009 at 11:24 PM
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Quote originally posted by ACG Sorry to say but a hollow tube is stronger than a solid post....More surface area... I don't disagree that they may be we I dont understand that statement. I understand more surface area, but it cant be as strong as a solid post can it? Not saying you are wrong, it just doesnt make sense to me. If it really is stronger why dont they use hollow things for bridges, buildings, etc.?
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April 17th 2009 at 11:42 PM
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Quote originally posted by dtmmil
I hear you about the tubing, but this stuff is thin, if you put a riser on a gen II you can feel it flex every time you lean into it a bit, it seems like its just the GenIIs also.
I have a brace on my steering post so it feels really solid.
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April 17th 2009 at 11:52 PM
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Quote originally posted by ACG
Sorry to say but a hollow tube is stronger than a solid post....More surface area...
Best statement I've ever read.
The logic behind it, tis' flawless.
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April 18th 2009 at 3:25 AM
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old polaris steering posts bend easy i did this when i bent mine... 
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April 18th 2009 at 6:43 AM
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Quote originally posted by OhioPolarisKid
I know that at times my bars have felt like they are bending some. But there is also a lot of slop in the steering system, so i might just be feeling that. Im curious though, how hard is it to take the sway bar on and off of these sleds? Around here we arent trying to hug any corners, just ditches and drifts. I just want to be able to throw it around easier for here, and maybe try riding trails with it off some to see if there is a big difference. Right now i have very little inside ski lift so it doesnt bother me at all.
Like I said, you don't have to remove it, just detach them and zip tie them to the body someplace. That way if your ready to do some trail riding; all you have to do is re-bolt them back on.
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April 18th 2009 at 12:19 PM
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Quote originally posted by BV_Boondocker
Quote originally posted by dtmmil
I hear you about the tubing, but this stuff is thin, if you put a riser on a gen II you can feel it flex every time you lean into it a bit, it seems like its just the GenIIs also.
I have a brace on my steering post so it feels really solid.
What did you do? I was thinking about doing something like that as well. Do you have pictures of it.
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April 18th 2009 at 1:13 PM
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GenII steering posts are not strong. When I got my GenII RMK, the post was bent, and it just got worse. I put a 2.5" riser on there, and when I sold the sled it was about ready to snap.
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April 18th 2009 at 9:43 PM
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Quote originally posted by McGrail.S
Quote originally posted by ACG
Sorry to say but a hollow tube is stronger than a solid post....More surface area...
Best statement I've ever read.
The logic behind it, tis' flawless.
I don't know if your being sarcastic or what? But I will explain myself.
A solid rod of steel, 1" in diameter is not going to be as strong (to certain forces) as a 1" diameter steel tube of a decent wall thickness. It is just plain old physics. Look it up. Not only is the tube stronger than the rod, but lighter too.
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April 18th 2009 at 10:38 PM
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dtmmil
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I knew what you meant, I understand that completely, round tubing is very strong, like you said in some uses. The stuff on the genII is 7/8" and is fairly thin, not sure what poo was thinking.
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Homeade 7 1/2" riser
Homeade suspension drop brackets
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April 18th 2009 at 10:42 PM
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Quote originally posted by xcindy500
Quote originally posted by BV_Boondocker
Quote originally posted by dtmmil
I hear you about the tubing, but this stuff is thin, if you put a riser on a gen II you can feel it flex every time you lean into it a bit, it seems like its just the GenIIs also.
I have a brace on my steering post so it feels really solid.
What did you do? I was thinking about doing something like that as well. Do you have pictures of it.
Ill post some pictures tomorrow.
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