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Educate me on Alpine subs
- Type S type E, type X, what's the difference?
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May 5th 2009 at 9:50 AM
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Looking at alpine subs, only going with ten inch, but I have no idea what to get. What's the difference from type E,S,X there might be more, not sure. Is it mostly the watts? Or what's different? I'm looking at about a 750watt type E or two for my car right now. What do you guys know about them? Worth the $119? I'm not looking for a huge expensive system, just something that hit's harder than my stock speakers, and still has some quality sound.
Just found a Type S, for a smashing deal!
10" DUAL VOICE COIL SUBWOOFER
# 10" High Performance Type-S Dual voice coil subwoofer
# 900 watts peak power / 300 watts RMS
# Dual 2-ohm Impedance 2 OHM + 2 OHM
# Santoprene® Surround and Pulp/Kevlar Cone
# Progressive nomex® spider
# High strength steel frame
# 6.1" mounting depth
# Frequency response: 30-1K Hz
# Sensitivity: 85dB
# Sealed Box Volume 0.65 - 1.50cu. ft.
# Ported Box Volume 1.00 - 1.75cu. ft.
What would you think of one of those in a smaller car?
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May 5th 2009 at 11:11 AM
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Alpine Electronics.com Here's the comparison: http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products...pine&model[]=SWE-1043&model[]=SWR-1042D&model[]=SWS-1043D&model[]=SWX-1043D&source=/US-en/products/series-c.php&category=SUB You'll probably have to copy and paste the link, as only the first part is highlighted, the last part is the comparison of the models. If the box is built right and tuned correct, it will be awesome!!!
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May 5th 2009 at 11:18 AM
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dont waste your money on 2 om subs spend the extra and get the 4 om type R that alpine makes
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May 5th 2009 at 11:41 AM
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Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
Alpine Electronics.com
Here's the comparison:
http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products...pine&model[]=SWE-1043&model[]=SWR-1042D&model[]=SWS-1043D&model[]=SWX-1043D&source=/US-en/products/series-c.php&category=SUB
You'll probably have to copy and paste the link, as only the first part is highlighted, the last part is the comparison of the models.
If the box is built right and tuned correct, it will be awesome!!!
Thanks, found some info there. :)
Quote originally posted by Hughes_097
dont waste your money on 2 om subs spend the extra and get the 4 om type R that alpine makes
Why is that? I'm totally new at subs, what's the advantage with a 4 om sub from a 2 om? Also what's important, the RMS wattage? or the peak power? What number do I need to look at if i want a sub around 600-900 watts?
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May 5th 2009 at 11:57 AM
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k so I'm finding that type E is the cheaper one, type S is getting up there already, not bad, but not the best Alpine makes, then type R and X are Alpines top line subs. I found I can get a 10 inch type S, in either a 2 om, or a 4 om, both for $200 new. What's the difference there? From 2-4 om?
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May 5th 2009 at 4:09 PM
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Quote originally posted by Hughes_097
dont waste your money on 2 om subs spend the extra and get the 4 om type R that alpine makes
Why?
Quote originally posted by 600xc4me
Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
Alpine Electronics.com
Here's the comparison:
http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products...pine&model[]=SWE-1043&model[]=SWR-1042D&model[]=SWS-1043D&model[]=SWX-1043D&source=/US-en/products/series-c.php&category=SUB
You'll probably have to copy and paste the link, as only the first part is highlighted, the last part is the comparison of the models.
If the box is built right and tuned correct, it will be awesome!!!
Thanks, found some info there. :)
Quote originally posted by Hughes_097
dont waste your money on 2 om subs spend the extra and get the 4 om type R that alpine makes
Why is that? I'm totally new at subs, what's the advantage with a 4 om sub from a 2 om? Also what's important, the RMS wattage? or the peak power? What number do I need to look at if i want a sub around 600-900 watts?
Dont even listen to him. He obviously doesnt know car audio. The ohm rating doesnt really matter, it only matters that it matches what the amp is stable to. And usually the different voice coil configurations of the same model speaker are not any more or less expensive.
Dont spend that much on a type E. It will be decent, in the right box. Im not positive, but im going to guess it can be had much cheaper on ebay or something. Type S is next in line. Then type R. You can get a hold of a type R for decent price, look out for one of those.
Like i said the ohms really only matters to match it to the sub. So, before someone can recomend which version of the coils to get, you need to tell us if you have an amp your planning on using already, or if your going to buy one.
Now for power/watts. Im glad you asked this question cuz its actually pretty important. Peak/max whatever power means NOTHING to you.. All you care about is RMS power. That is for both amps and subs. So you want your amp to be fairly close to match the power of the sub, doesnt necessarily have to be as much as the sub is rated either.
EDIT: OK i looked on ebay, and i know you dont want 12s but just for the comparison, you can get two brand new 12" type Rs for 250 shipped. So dont go spending 200 bucks on the 10 type S subs. You can get a much better deal.
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All it is is wiring load on your amp. Besides that ohm does not matter at all! In your case just worry about the RMS. A 900 watt RMS sub is a pretty good sized sub and if you suply it that much power that thing will hit hard. Also what kind of music you listen to? 10" subs will hit hard and fast(sound real nice with rock/electronic music), 12"+ subs will hit the lows real good and move some air, sound real nice with hip-hop but might miss a beat with fast rock. My buddy has 2 10" type-s subs in his talon powered by a Cali 1000 amp and they really hit good, they getting about 250 watts each. He also has them in a sealed box. If you really want a loud sub that hits, i had one of these in my old jeep running about 800 watts to it and let me tell you, this thing will blow you away it will hit harder then 2 type s's will ever dream about. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors...877428.htm
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May 5th 2009 at 6:21 PM
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Dude, that DD is like 500 bucks i dont think hes looking to spend that much haha.. But other than than, DDs are great SPL subs and get loud as hell. I wouldnt doubt that little 8 could blow some 10 type s subs away if it was in the right box and powered right.
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May 6th 2009 at 1:37 AM
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dude you want the x i just got rid of one and it hit good sounded crisp had a r and and s x is better
get up boy cause u catching one in the FACE
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May 6th 2009 at 6:34 AM
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The dd 1508 is $150 bucks. I had one in a ported box built specfically for that sub! Had about 800 watts running to it and it hit 131db at the hunter audio bass comp.
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May 6th 2009 at 8:05 AM
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Quote originally posted by Polaris650rxl
The dd 1508 is $150 bucks. I had one in a ported box built specfically for that sub! Had about 800 watts running to it and it hit 131db at the hunter audio bass comp.
That one in the link had a price of like 500 up top? I was thinking it the was the bigger subs, the 9500 series. I dono if they make 8s in that series tho.
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May 7th 2009 at 11:54 AM
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Ohm: measure of electrical resistance
Watt: unit of measure of energy
A sub with a 2 ohm coil has less electrical resistance, therefore will not make the amplifier push as hard to deliver desired wattage.
However, the less resistance there is in the coil, the less efficient it will be at converting electrical energy into mechanical energy.
Typically, for car audio applications, I suggest trying to find a sub that can be wired to either 1 or 2 ohms, as that is where most affordable amplifiers can be found to make maximum stable rms power.
The Alpine Type R has been one of the most mainstream subs for the past decade. It's got decent power handling, average efficiency, and average sound quality. Built into a decent box with proper amplification (~500 watts), it can be a very nice sounding sub.
As for the "10s are better for rock and 12s are better for rap" comment. It's bull****. If that were the case, I wouldn't be using dual 18" subs at the concerts I run, I'd be using a buttload of 10s. The only difference in performance between 10s and 12s is efficiency, the 12s will get louder with the same voltage (yes voltage, not wattage). A 12, 15, 18, or hell, even a 21" sub can sound just as clean, tight, and controlled as a 10" sub, provided they are all given proper installations.
If I may, I would suggest one of these: http://www.diycable.com/main/product_inf...cts_id=653
It's not flashy, it's not a mainstream company, but it's very good design. It has better efficiency, less inductance, greater x-max than most subwoofers out there, which means it will hit louder, lower, cleaner, and tighter than most subwoofers out there. I own two of the older, larger variants of that driver, and they are still the best subs I have ever heard.
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May 8th 2009 at 9:30 AM
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I'm kind of glad I work at best buy... you guys pay way too much for your audio equipment..
Epic.
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May 8th 2009 at 10:18 PM
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Thanks for all the info. I was looking at the type S cause a co worker has some forsale. Not sure what he want's for em though. He also a a box built for them. Cost him $1100. He said he has blown out 4000 watt systems in that box, with a proper amp. Wasn't over powering the subs at all. Is that possible? Sounds a bit far fetched to me that the box would be so strong to the point where a 1500 watt amp can blow two 2000 watt subs. He said it hits un real hard with the alpine type s in there. (box is built to spec for those subs)
Yeah Parasitic_Whim, I PMed with you a while back, and you also recommended that sub then. Only reason I have not bought it yet is because it's almost $200, plus shipping to Canada is outrageous. And seeing as that's the only place to get that sub, I'm kind of stuck. You also recommended this amp for it at the time.
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuse...ct_ID=6097
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I found out a guy I know is selling his system, 1000 watt 12 inch Rockford sub, box, and a 900 watt Rockford amp, with all wiring for $300. Rockford is very common around here, but is it any good? I don't want to buy junk, but also can't spend much right now.
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May 8th 2009 at 11:00 PM
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I have a 12in Rockford P2 in my truck for almost two years and its been fine. Its powered by a 1000 watt Sony amp.
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May 9th 2009 at 12:44 PM
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Wow parasitic_whim your like one of the only guys i know thats heard Shiva. Those things have been around for a while and im suprised more people dont know about them. Ive never owned one myself but have heard a couple at comps, those things can really move some air i was suprised as its comming from a sub thats not known.
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May 9th 2009 at 1:47 PM
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From what I've seen, you're paying alot for the Fosgate name if you buy new. If you can get a good deal on everything used, and the system is not totally abused, I think it should be fine. I've had friends with Fosgate systems...I have one of their amps in my pickup actually...they've all sounded pretty decent.
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May 9th 2009 at 3:06 PM
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Ok yeah, I would have to agree, rockford seems over rated to me But I don't know. Maybe I'll wait a bit longer with buying anything. lol I'm scared to spend anything on a sound system. Should maybe buy a cover for my sled and some other things first.
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May 9th 2009 at 6:42 PM
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Rockford is pretty good, in my opinion. What model sub and amp are they tho? I personally dont like the latest models subs for the past couple years. Id rather go with an hx2 or he2 or something like that. If you buy used, test it out first if your in person. Rockford stuff can be pretty damn spendy tho. especially the older stuff, theyre usually way underrated for power, so ive heard, and i think they are.
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May 10th 2009 at 5:38 AM
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MXZfasty02
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Type Rs are nice
They are the medium sub, I think. Es are nice too, but youll get more sound out of a type R, n my experience.
Im running a Rockford HE2 12in with a 900 watt rockford mono amp. It kicks my honda well. I still cant beat the sound of my old type Rs though
Aren't type Xs used mostly for competition, so doesnt that mean they are looser, and wont be very good for rock? Just wondering...
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May 10th 2009 at 12:37 PM
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Other Way around MXZ, competition oriented subs typically have tighter suspensions, it allows them to control high wattage more efficiently.
Tight suspensions don't allow the sub to play as low, but allow them to get very loud at higher frequencies, which is why you see most competitors burping their cars at around 60-80 hz
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I'm not sure what model sub or amp this is, but he said not very old. So maybe a year old? And in great condition form the sounds of it. I heard it a little bit last night, he was parked and we drove by, could feel it in my seat as we passed him. lol So it works that's for sure.
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May 10th 2009 at 7:22 PM
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I have a 10" Type R in a truck box with a rockford amp,it sounds very good and can be made louder then what id ever want to listen to it at.
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May 11th 2009 at 7:09 PM
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MXZfasty02
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Thanks Parasitic
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