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Obama's Vehicle Plan
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ridingthe600edge
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Quote originally posted by Student Driver
Quote originally posted by duece
barack o-bonehead ,if you voted for this idiot quit bitchin ,if you didnt vote at all quit bitchin,if you voted against him bitch like hell.
I'm bitchin like hell
my throat is sore from all the bitchin'
2001 600 edge X almond spring on primary with 60gm wieghts, s&s rumble pack, gutted air box 6" woodys doolys carbides,196 woodys 1 1/4" studs
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May 21st 2009 at 10:11 AM
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XLT96rider
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Better gas mileage = less demand for fuel = price increases = where's the savings????
Just my thoughts.
I read too that the gov. was thinking about changing from miles per gallon to dollars per mile. ?????
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May 21st 2009 at 3:43 PM
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Metallica19991
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Obama is a retard and is probably going to be shot soon because he is p^ssing people off. So there's nothing to worry about
1996 Skidoo Formula III 600
2001 Polaris TrailBlazer 250
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May 21st 2009 at 3:47 PM
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Rock
raise a little hell
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Quote originally posted by SnowAttitude
Quote originally posted by TRICKPaint
Quote originally posted by SnowAttitude
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^You guys just dont understand....
You wont be able to do Any of those things, so you wont need a truck to haul it around.
Should be interesting.... The Gob. now owns GM, Chrsler, Banks and they impose the cafe standerds on themselves. should be interesting to watch.... we all know how well the Gob. works, maybe we have nothing to worry about.I think and hope your right. It's just the arrogance of him and his administration dictating what private industry does because Mr. Potato Head knows whats best.
On the news they said that we will SAVE about $1800 on gas over the life of the car,if gas at $4 a gallon....Big deal...we will pay about$$$$$ more for the shoe box.
Rocks Quote ...VVVVVVVV
I see your point, lets go back to the standards of the 70's and polute the world again. polute the rivers and lakes with toxins and let companies polute the air with their smoke stacks.....life will be much better then! 
Well Thank You.... I already have a 70 Impala Convert.
7 vintage sleds from the early 70's... I got a head start..In the early 80's in Cal. Hot Rod magazine put Street rods from the 70' to the test, most did as good or better then the new.
Like I said... The Gob. is in charge of GM and Chysler, I will cost us a trillion dollars for them to meet there own rules, well of course there probably be gone in the next few years.
OH.... and I would like to know if those cars in other countrys have to meet our emissions standards???
Seems to me those cars werent allowed in the US because there cars that get 45 mpg, couldnt meet are pollution standerds. The more they raise the pollution standerds, the worse the milage???
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May 21st 2009 at 4:03 PM
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bobp53916
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Quote originally posted by tomjac
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I'm just wondering if anyone else read the report about Obama's plan regarding personal vehicles and what he wants in the near future. Basically it told me that he wants to phase out SUV's and Pickup trucks unless your a business owner and need them. It really pisses me off because I love my truck and view it as my RIGHT as a citizen to buy whatever vehicle I want, spend my money fairly, and not take it up the azz just because I like feeling safe in a truck. If I wanted to drive a little car I would, but I feel safe IN MY TRUCK, hunt IN MY TRUCK, move my sleds IN MY TRUCK, haul lumber IN MY TRUCK.... need I say more.
I read it and wanted to straight kick him in the testiculars. Pisses me off.
What is everybody elses opinion....
Interesting choice of words. It's not a Right unless it is in the Constitution; otherwise it is simply a privilege. Driving / owning a vehicle is a privilege not a Right.
This administration could severely reduce our privileges. All the warning alarms were sounding before the election yet Obama is still elected . . .What gives.
In my opinion, the single most influential thing we can do now is vote in the mid-term elections to take control of Congress. It is critical . . . no excuses . . . VOTE . . . Or the
privileges you enjoy could become a thing of the past.
This administration is becoming viral. They not only want to run the auto industry but are now blocking companies that took a TARP bailout from repaying in order to gain control of the company. Around these parts farmers are able to hold their own right now, just wait until they need help (and they will) this administration could control food. This administration is very scary.
Seems like nowadays its heading towards "Even if its in the Constitution its not your right anymore".
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May 21st 2009 at 5:33 PM
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uponone
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Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
Better gas mileage = less demand for fuel = price increases = where's the savings????
Just my thoughts.
I read too that the gov. was thinking about changing from miles per gallon to dollars per mile. ?????
Doesn't work like that with fuel. Quote originally posted by Metallica19991
Obama is a retard and is probably going to be shot soon because he is p^ssing people off. So there's nothing to worry about
Hes not pissing everyone off......to many people are too self centered to realize that.
No matter what this guy does there will always be a large majority of you guys bitching about it.
I could come out with definitive proof that this plan will benefit all of you and I would still get 10+ pages trying to disprove it. Not because your looking for what Obama is doing....but because your looking for what he is doing wrong.
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May 22nd 2009 at 9:42 AM
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duece
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I stand by my statement "democrats are the worst enemy of a working mans wallet"
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May 22nd 2009 at 10:13 AM
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RMK-KING
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Emmisions equipment reduces efficiency requiring more fuel,is burning more fuel really helping that much? Maybe they should work on making them more efficient with just a cat converter instead of burning 5-10mpg more to run all the new emissions stuff they are coming up with.
In college my brother had a 67 ford galaxie 289,they hooked it up to the schools sniffer machince and it had lower emmisions then the new cars they tested. They actually tested the car 2 different times because the professer couldnt believe it,that car would also get 22mpg all day long.
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May 22nd 2009 at 11:29 AM
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duece
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Quote originally posted by RMK-KING
Emmisions equipment reduces efficiency requiring more fuel,is burning more fuel really helping that much? Maybe they should work on making them more efficient with just a cat converter instead of burning 5-10mpg more to run all the new emissions stuff they are coming up with.
In college my brother had a 67 ford galaxie 289,they hooked it up to the schools sniffer machince and it had lower emmisions then the new cars they tested. They actually tested the car 2 different times because the professer couldnt believe it,that car would also get 22mpg all day long.
also adds to the sticker price ,a greeny group ma was trying to push a mandate for cars to have electric heaters in the cat converter and it would have to heat up before the car can start to cover the two minutes the thing to warm up imagine how fun that would be in the winter if your battery was low.
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May 22nd 2009 at 9:23 PM
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Rubi
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"I see your point, lets go back to the standards of the 70's and polute the world again. polute the rivers and lakes with toxins and let companies polute the air with their smoke stacks.....life will be much better then!"
Who is advocating polluting the world? All of these standards are to supposedly cure the nonexistent problem of global warming. The "pollutant" they are trying to cure is carbon dioxide... you know, the compound made of two elements that are essential for life to exist. The same "pollutant" that is released into the atmosphere by natural processes at around 98% of the total. Those evil "smoke stacks" are releasing horrible carbon dioxide, oh wait... you and I release that when we breathe. That evil CO2 is also essential to all life on earth because plants need it to live.
This issue isn't about gas mileage or pollution in our rivers and lakes. It is all about giving the government ultimate control of all aspects of life. Mobility is freedom. Make mobility too expensive for people to afford, and you take their freedom. Tax carbon, and you tax and control the very essence of life. What is going on politically now in our Country is way more scary than mere mileage standards.
1990 Indy 400 (Slightly modded with welded tunnel cracks and various used Indy parts from models throughout the 90's)
2006 Stihl Chainsaw
1980's Vintage Lawnboy Lawnmower
2005 Husqvarna Weed Whacker (It sucks to rewind the string, but that 31cc motor sure is torquey!)
2000 Polaris XCSP Edge 600 (1.5" Track, 22x40 gearing, Aaen exhaust, Student Driver pivot riser package)
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May 22nd 2009 at 10:42 PM
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TRICKPaint
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Quote originally posted by Rubi
"I see your point, lets go back to the standards of the 70's and polute the world again. polute the rivers and lakes with toxins and let companies polute the air with their smoke stacks.....life will be much better then!"
Who is advocating polluting the world? All of these standards are to supposedly cure the nonexistent problem of global warming. The "pollutant" they are trying to cure is carbon dioxide... you know, the compound made of two elements that are essential for life to exist. The same "pollutant" that is released into the atmosphere by natural processes at around 98% of the total. Those evil "smoke stacks" are releasing horrible carbon dioxide, oh wait... you and I release that when we breathe. That evil CO2 is also essential to all life on earth because plants need it to live.
This issue isn't about gas mileage or pollution in our rivers and lakes. It is all about giving the government ultimate control of all aspects of life. Mobility is freedom. Make mobility too expensive for people to afford, and you take their freedom. Tax carbon, and you tax and control the very essence of life. What is going on politically now in our Country is way more scary than mere mileage standards.
Well put Rubi 
It's refreshing to hear from someone who totally "gets it"! It is all about control. Liberal ilitist such as Oboma along with the media use any means at their disposal to aid their self-serving agenda.
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bobp53916
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May 22nd 2009 at 11:58 PM
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XLT96rider
Other sports play once a week, but this sport is with us every day.
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Quote originally posted by TRICKPaint
Quote originally posted by Rubi
"I see your point, lets go back to the standards of the 70's and polute the world again. polute the rivers and lakes with toxins and let companies polute the air with their smoke stacks.....life will be much better then!"
Who is advocating polluting the world? All of these standards are to supposedly cure the nonexistent problem of global warming. The "pollutant" they are trying to cure is carbon dioxide... you know, the compound made of two elements that are essential for life to exist. The same "pollutant" that is released into the atmosphere by natural processes at around 98% of the total. Those evil "smoke stacks" are releasing horrible carbon dioxide, oh wait... you and I release that when we breathe. That evil CO2 is also essential to all life on earth because plants need it to live.
This issue isn't about gas mileage or pollution in our rivers and lakes. It is all about giving the government ultimate control of all aspects of life. Mobility is freedom. Make mobility too expensive for people to afford, and you take their freedom. Tax carbon, and you tax and control the very essence of life. What is going on politically now in our Country is way more scary than mere mileage standards.
Well put Rubi
It's refreshing to hear from someone who totally "gets it"! It is all about control. Liberal ilitist such as Oboma along with the media use any means at their disposal to aid their self-serving agenda.
This is as bad as mandating wearing seat belts. I have to wear it in my new car, or it won't shut up, but when in my truck...no way!! I believe that's MY choice, not the govts. Just one more way to scare us (get a fine) and control us!!!
Quote originally posted by RMK-KING In college my brother had a 67 ford Galaxy 289,they hooked it up to the schools sniffer machine and it had lower emissions then the new cars they tested. They actually tested the car 2 different times because the professor couldn't believe it,that car would also get 22mpg all day long. This is sooo true!! With today's technology, why aren't all vehicles getting 35 or 40+ mpg?? The technology is out there, so why don't the manufacturers use it? Look in the patent archives, there are tons of patents for carbs that get better gas mileage then most of the vehicles today.
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uponone
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Quote originally posted by Rubi
"I see your point, lets go back to the standards of the 70's and polute the world again. polute the rivers and lakes with toxins and let companies polute the air with their smoke stacks.....life will be much better then!"
Who is advocating polluting the world? All of these standards are to supposedly cure the nonexistent problem of global warming. The "pollutant" they are trying to cure is carbon dioxide... you know, the compound made of two elements that are essential for life to exist. The same "pollutant" that is released into the atmosphere by natural processes at around 98% of the total. Those evil "smoke stacks" are releasing horrible carbon dioxide, oh wait... you and I release that when we breathe. That evil CO2 is also essential to all life on earth because plants need it to live.
This issue isn't about gas mileage or pollution in our rivers and lakes. It is all about giving the government ultimate control of all aspects of life. Mobility is freedom. Make mobility too expensive for people to afford, and you take their freedom. Tax carbon, and you tax and control the very essence of life. What is going on politically now in our Country is way more scary than mere mileage standards.
You obviously didn't give this too much thought did you?
The world has gone from the basic plants + animals working in the circle of life to the mess our world has become today. Humans have brought the the Carbon Dioxide production level WAY up while destroying much of the oxygen producing life......there is obviously a dangerous imbalance these days.
Im waiting for someone to mention NWO in a post so I can totally write off this thread.
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May 23rd 2009 at 10:31 AM
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RMK-KING
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Quote originally posted by uponone
. Humans have brought the the Carbon Dioxide production level WAY up while destroying much of the oxygen producing life......there is obviously a dangerous imbalance these days.
Proof? Plants need carbon dioxide then give off oxygen. What oxygen producing life has been destroyed from this?
Current Line Up
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May 23rd 2009 at 10:34 AM
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I want more Nuke plants
Best for everyone... IMO
and its time to get rid of EthaNO
cuts your milage down and is waste of money.
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May 23rd 2009 at 11:00 AM
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Rock
raise a little hell
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Quote originally posted by RMK-KING
Quote originally posted by uponone
. Humans have brought the the Carbon Dioxide production level WAY up while destroying much of the oxygen producing life......there is obviously a dangerous imbalance these days.
Proof? Plants need carbon dioxide then give off oxygen. What oxygen producing life has been destroyed from this?
I dont think the tree's can keep up!
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May 23rd 2009 at 11:08 AM
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uponone
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Quote originally posted by RMK-KING
Quote originally posted by uponone
. Humans have brought the the Carbon Dioxide production level WAY up while destroying much of the oxygen producing life......there is obviously a dangerous imbalance these days.
Proof? Plants need carbon dioxide then give off oxygen. What oxygen producing life has been destroyed from this?
Are you seriously asking this question?
How many forests have been destroyed to create cities?
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May 23rd 2009 at 11:35 AM
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RMK-KING
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I took it as the carbon dioxide was destroying the plant life. I see what he was saying now.
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Rubi
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Quote originally posted by uponone
Quote originally posted by Rubi
"I see your point, lets go back to the standards of the 70's and polute the world again. polute the rivers and lakes with toxins and let companies polute the air with their smoke stacks.....life will be much better then!"
Who is advocating polluting the world? All of these standards are to supposedly cure the nonexistent problem of global warming. The "pollutant" they are trying to cure is carbon dioxide... you know, the compound made of two elements that are essential for life to exist. The same "pollutant" that is released into the atmosphere by natural processes at around 98% of the total. Those evil "smoke stacks" are releasing horrible carbon dioxide, oh wait... you and I release that when we breathe. That evil CO2 is also essential to all life on earth because plants need it to live.
This issue isn't about gas mileage or pollution in our rivers and lakes. It is all about giving the government ultimate control of all aspects of life. Mobility is freedom. Make mobility too expensive for people to afford, and you take their freedom. Tax carbon, and you tax and control the very essence of life. What is going on politically now in our Country is way more scary than mere mileage standards.
You obviously didn't give this too much thought did you?
The world has gone from the basic plants + animals working in the circle of life to the mess our world has become today. Humans have brought the the Carbon Dioxide production level WAY up while destroying much of the oxygen producing life......there is obviously a dangerous imbalance these days.
Im waiting for someone to mention NWO in a post so I can totally write off this thread.
Where do you think C02 comes from? Do you think humans cook it up in a lab or something? Ever heard of the carbon cycle? Plants absorb C02 from the air, emit the oxygen, and then store the carbon. So plant matter like wood, leaves, and grass are basically carbon. The fossilized forms of this carbon are oil and coal. Gasoline is a carbon product that is refined from that oil. Ethanol is carbon that is refined from non fossilized plant matter like corn or sugar cane. How in the heck do you think humans "produce" carbon dioxide? It was all in the carbon cycle before. We don't import the stuff from outer space or something.
I definitely agree with whomever said that we need more nuclear power, but the idiot greenies won't let us use nuclear power either. The whole world, except the U.S., is building nuke plants at a furious pace, and if we don't start soon, our economy is going to be left in the dust. We'll be a third world country with no industry or transportation to speak of. If the cost of energy here is three times higher than the rest of the world, which it will be if we have to use Obama's windmills, our economy is sunk. To reach the new CAFE standards, auto manufacturers will need to employ more hybrids and electric cars to balance the lower mileage of the rest of the fleet, but with no electricity, how do you charge your battery powered car?
What it all boils down to, is that the political ideology that is in control right now says that we as a Nation are too free, mobile, and affluent. They want to take our freedom, halt our mobility, and confiscate our wealth. That is the thinly veiled reality of carbon taxes and the somewhat related efficiency standards being imposed upon the auto industry.
P.S. If humans are destroying all the oxygen production in the world causing a "dangerous imbalance," why are there more square miles of forest in the U.S., now, than in the 1920's?
P.P.S. "Who is John Galt?"
1990 Indy 400 (Slightly modded with welded tunnel cracks and various used Indy parts from models throughout the 90's)
2006 Stihl Chainsaw
1980's Vintage Lawnboy Lawnmower
2005 Husqvarna Weed Whacker (It sucks to rewind the string, but that 31cc motor sure is torquey!)
2000 Polaris XCSP Edge 600 (1.5" Track, 22x40 gearing, Aaen exhaust, Student Driver pivot riser package)
2008 RMK 600 144"
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uponone
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Quote originally posted by Rubi
Quote originally posted by uponone
Quote originally posted by Rubi
"I see your point, lets go back to the standards of the 70's and polute the world again. polute the rivers and lakes with toxins and let companies polute the air with their smoke stacks.....life will be much better then!"
Who is advocating polluting the world? All of these standards are to supposedly cure the nonexistent problem of global warming. The "pollutant" they are trying to cure is carbon dioxide... you know, the compound made of two elements that are essential for life to exist. The same "pollutant" that is released into the atmosphere by natural processes at around 98% of the total. Those evil "smoke stacks" are releasing horrible carbon dioxide, oh wait... you and I release that when we breathe. That evil CO2 is also essential to all life on earth because plants need it to live.
This issue isn't about gas mileage or pollution in our rivers and lakes. It is all about giving the government ultimate control of all aspects of life. Mobility is freedom. Make mobility too expensive for people to afford, and you take their freedom. Tax carbon, and you tax and control the very essence of life. What is going on politically now in our Country is way more scary than mere mileage standards.
You obviously didn't give this too much thought did you?
The world has gone from the basic plants + animals working in the circle of life to the mess our world has become today. Humans have brought the the Carbon Dioxide production level WAY up while destroying much of the oxygen producing life......there is obviously a dangerous imbalance these days.
Im waiting for someone to mention NWO in a post so I can totally write off this thread.
Where do you think C02 comes from? Do you think humans cook it up in a lab or something? Ever heard of the carbon cycle? Plants absorb C02 from the air, emit the oxygen, and then store the carbon. So plant matter like wood, leaves, and grass are basically carbon. The fossilized forms of this carbon are oil and coal. Gasoline is a carbon product that is refined from that oil. Ethanol is carbon that is refined from non fossilized plant matter like corn or sugar cane. How in the heck do you think humans "produce" carbon dioxide? It was all in the carbon cycle before. We don't import the stuff from outer space or something.
I definitely agree with whomever said that we need more nuclear power, but the idiot greenies won't let us use nuclear power either. The whole world, except the U.S., is building nuke plants at a furious pace, and if we don't start soon, our economy is going to be left in the dust. We'll be a third world country with no industry or transportation to speak of. If the cost of energy here is three times higher than the rest of the world, which it will be if we have to use Obama's windmills, our economy is sunk. To reach the new CAFE standards, auto manufacturers will need to employ more hybrids and electric cars to balance the lower mileage of the rest of the fleet, but with no electricity, how do you charge your battery powered car?
What it all boils down to, is that the political ideology that is in control right now says that we as a Nation are too free, mobile, and affluent. They want to take our freedom, halt our mobility, and confiscate our wealth. That is the thinly veiled reality of carbon taxes and the somewhat related efficiency standards being imposed upon the auto industry.
P.S. If humans are destroying all the oxygen production in the world causing a "dangerous imbalance," why are there more square miles of forest in the U.S., now, than in the 1920's?
P.P.S. "Who is John Galt?"
So your trying to say that if there were no production facilities, no internal combustion engines, no oil products being produced + used there wouldn't be any less carbon dioxide emitted?
"What it all boils down to, is that the political ideology that is in control right now says that we as a Nation are too free, mobile, and affluent. They want to take our freedom, halt our mobility, and confiscate our wealth. That is the thinly veiled reality of carbon taxes and the somewhat related efficiency standards being imposed upon the auto industry."
An NWO believer are ya?
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May 23rd 2009 at 2:41 PM
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Rubi
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Did you know that humans produce less than 2% of all C02 emissions? Geological processes and the natural decay of carboniferous matter utterly dwarf what man can produce. I'm not saying that burning carbon fuels doesn't add C02 to the atmosphere. What I am saying is that the carbon was there at some point before. Humans can't just say "abracadabra" and suddenly new C02 just magically appears.
By the way, what is "NWO"? I'm not too savvy with any of these newfangled acronyms.
1990 Indy 400 (Slightly modded with welded tunnel cracks and various used Indy parts from models throughout the 90's)
2006 Stihl Chainsaw
1980's Vintage Lawnboy Lawnmower
2005 Husqvarna Weed Whacker (It sucks to rewind the string, but that 31cc motor sure is torquey!)
2000 Polaris XCSP Edge 600 (1.5" Track, 22x40 gearing, Aaen exhaust, Student Driver pivot riser package)
2008 RMK 600 144"
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May 23rd 2009 at 2:46 PM
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uponone
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Quote originally posted by Rubi
Did you know that humans produce less than 2% of all C02 emissions? Geological processes and the natural decay of carboniferous matter utterly dwarf what man can produce. I'm not saying that burning carbon fuels doesn't add C02 to the atmosphere. What I am saying is that the carbon was there at some point before. Humans can't just say "abracadabra" and suddenly new C02 just magically appears.
By the way, what is "NWO"? I'm not too savvy with any of these newfangled acronyms.
My only point was the reduction of CO2 emissions isnt a bad, or even pointless thing.
NWO is New World Order. Your statements about the government trying to control the population/limit mobility sounded like a lead into the NWO conspiracy theory crap.
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May 23rd 2009 at 5:37 PM
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As my Mom would say: "Rubi your one smart Cookie"
When one of the founding fathers of Green Peace said that Global warming..or now its called "Climate Change" said this is nothing more the some people making a lot of money off of fear...
think thats proof enough for anyone.
Yes. I was the one that said more Nukes....France build nukes that are soooooooo many years advanced then ours, they supply most of Eourope. But they have made most poeple "FEAR" them for no reason.
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May 23rd 2009 at 6:34 PM
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Rubi
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Quote originally posted by uponone Quote originally posted by Rubi Did you know that humans produce less than 2% of all C02 emissions? Geological processes and the natural decay of carboniferous matter utterly dwarf what man can produce. I'm not saying that burning carbon fuels doesn't add C02 to the atmosphere. What I am saying is that the carbon was there at some point before. Humans can't just say "abracadabra" and suddenly new C02 just magically appears. By the way, what is "NWO"? I'm not too savvy with any of these newfangled acronyms. My only point was the reduction of CO2 emissions isnt a bad, or even pointless thing. NWO is New World Order. Your statements about the government trying to control the population/limit mobility sounded like a lead into the NWO conspiracy theory crap. My point is that reducing C02 emissions IS a pointless thing. We've made great strides since the 70's in reducing real pollutants, and I'm definitely for incrementally reducing harmful pollution even more. What I'm not for is taxing the engines of civilization to death in a Quixotic attempt to stop an unproven theory that isn't happening. Well, "isn't happening" isn't completely accurate because global warming recently happened, has happened in the distant past, and will happen again, as will global cooling. I'm even for increasing CAFE standards steadily as technology becomes available to make it possible. I don't think that a large, quick jump like the current regime wants is going to be good for anyone except urban liberals who want to dictate what everyone drives and how they live their lives.
1990 Indy 400 (Slightly modded with welded tunnel cracks and various used Indy parts from models throughout the 90's)
2006 Stihl Chainsaw
1980's Vintage Lawnboy Lawnmower
2005 Husqvarna Weed Whacker (It sucks to rewind the string, but that 31cc motor sure is torquey!)
2000 Polaris XCSP Edge 600 (1.5" Track, 22x40 gearing, Aaen exhaust, Student Driver pivot riser package)
2008 RMK 600 144"
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