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Safe Graduation Party
started by Polarisfan_12
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June 6th 2009 at 5:09 PM
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Polarisfan_12
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In my town there were often many grad parties, which would usually get out of control and end up with some kid in the hospital because of drunk driving or alcohol poisoning. So the parents of my town came up with a safe graduation party. The whole point of the safe grad is to make sure that the teens at the party do not exceed their limit and have a safe ride home, as parents volunteer to drive kids back and forth from their homes to the party and to supervise the kids at the party. There is a form that is given out to students wishing to attend the grad party, this form must be signed by the student's parent. On the form the parents and student decide how much alcohol to buy, which will be given to them drink by drink by parent supervisors at the party. The supervisors cut off the students from alcohol when they think that the said student has drank enough. Now this is being criticized in the local paper and while i know, and all of the parents and students know, this is supplying alcohol to minors, without a safe, supervised grad though, there would be many accidents. I was at an unsupervised grad party last weekend and there were three car accidents and a raping. These events would have been prevented if the party had been supervised. What are your thoughts? Link to the article: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Town+...story.html
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June 6th 2009 at 5:20 PM
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Why not do like we did? My grad party I took everybody's keys and gave them to my friends mom (it was in her back yard) we all spent the night there in tents. The supervision idea I dont really like because well, the person might be to protective. I'm sure all us people who are done school have seen what happens at grad party's. Some parents dont agree with the "activities" that happen there. My friends mom was there, inside, if there was some kind of emergency we could walk to the house, but they never bugged us, or said anything about what we we're doing, which is the way I feel it should be.
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June 6th 2009 at 9:21 PM
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I think that idea is stupid, a determined drunk would find someone to give them their drinks. Any person with any self control at all could control themselves with alcohol in their systems, for the most part. Granted you would probably make some different choices, but none that should endanger you or anyone if you are smart.
A smart party is up to the people drinking the alcohol, we havent had a problem around here because most everyone governs themselves in a descent way.
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June 6th 2009 at 10:38 PM
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Never had a drink in my life, don't plan to anytime soon. but i think zrt 600 has alittle better paln, my parents did that with my halfbrother 15 years ago.
Granted, i am positive that your idea is better than none, polarisfan. you have the right idea. good luck
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June 6th 2009 at 11:57 PM
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We had safe grad at my high school. I got very drunk and don't remember it. The parents didn't care as long as people weren't puking or doing anything stupid. I think I got home around 7am, then I left to go camping at about 10am, where we had our unofficial grad party for 3 days. Lots of drinking, no supervision and no one was arrested (although we did get visited by the cops a few times) or killed. It all depends how you conduct yourselves A) individually and B) as a group, as there is a mob mentality when you get a bunch of drunk people together.
I had a great time at both those "parties", I guess it depends on what you're comfortable with.
I can only please one person per day, today is not your day... Tomorrow doesn't look good either...
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June 6th 2009 at 11:57 PM
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Meh...survival of the fittest....And just remember, the only way to fix stupid is death....
My grad party had no surpervision, noone got killed or raped or hurt seriously. We were all severly intoxicated and made it home in one piece.
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June 6th 2009 at 11:59 PM
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Polarisfan_12
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Well i have been to a few parties that have just been random bush parties, and they usually get out of control. I don't think what we have is the answer, but i think some parents breathe easier knowing their kids are going to have responsible supervision.
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June 7th 2009 at 12:11 AM
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srx_600
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Quote originally posted by ACG
Meh...survival of the fittest....
Thats an excellent point incase it gets busted! 
Just so long as you arent the slow one, and if you are be sure to trip someone on the way out! 
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June 7th 2009 at 1:57 PM
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Just bring a fat kid or kid with broken leg, then you only have to out run him!
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June 7th 2009 at 2:18 PM
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Polarisfan_12
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^ haha we have done that, and they caught him. And then he ratted us out.
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June 7th 2009 at 3:27 PM
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Sorry if I am sounding like a concerned parent but imo high school kids shouldn't be drinking any alcohol weather it be at a safe party or not.
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June 7th 2009 at 7:23 PM
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Polarisfan_12
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If we weren't at this safe grad we would be somewhere else.
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June 7th 2009 at 7:51 PM
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There is going to be a bunch of parents in alot of trouble if this part goes the way it sounds. If the cops show up and there are parents handing drinks to kids, along with forms filled out showing the the parents bought all the alcohol, that WILL NOT be a good situation. Providing to minors = big trouble!
wait...nvm...I just read that you are from Canada where the age is 18, I thought you were in the states. If something like this happened in the states where the drinking age is 21, there would be alot of parents in deep trouble.
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June 7th 2009 at 9:50 PM
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Call me a wuss if you want but at my highschool graduation I had 10 friends or so end up staying "after the party" and we had a fire. We all then grabbed fishing poles and had some great fun without booze. Why do kids think they have to have booze to have a good time?
I think the idea is not good that this thread is about. Giving them persmission to drink under supervision sounds good and all.. but after the party is over and weeks go by, many kids will get the assumption that MOM and DAD are OK with them drinking now.
You can't give a kid a few pieces of candy and then leave it out next week and only expect him to take a couple pieces. They are going to eat the whole damn bag.
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June 7th 2009 at 10:27 PM
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I can see where the situation would be helpful from a Parents standpoint, but if it was me, it would be fukking annoying...
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June 7th 2009 at 10:40 PM
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Polarisfan_12
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Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt
You can't give a kid a few pieces of candy and then leave it out next week and only expect him to take a couple pieces. They are going to eat the whole damn bag.
Most of these kids have been getting and eating the candy for a long time before safe grad started.
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June 8th 2009 at 11:12 AM
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Quote originally posted by Polarisfan_12
Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt
You can't give a kid a few pieces of candy and then leave it out next week and only expect him to take a couple pieces. They are going to eat the whole damn bag.
Most of these kids have been getting and eating the candy for a long time before safe grad started.
And that's a valid justification? The drinking age in SK is 19, not 18. Minors, all of them.
I'm with ACM on this one.
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June 8th 2009 at 11:56 AM
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To: All the uptight people who "don't drink" and "frown upon the parents allowing this to happen"
These parents are realistic. They know their kid is gonna go get hammered regardless. I realize that there are some who "don't need alcohol" but most people think "party = booze".
I rarely drink anymore but back when I was 15 - 16 through like... well 24 or 25 every party resulted in being hammered. Party was just an excuse for drinking.
As for "this will get these kids started". BS, they have probably been getting drunk for awhile and will continue to do so. Also if it's on private property and the parents are providing the booze, it's not illegal. A cop stated that in the article.
There is fun to be had without alcohol, I know this. But when you're 17 or 18 and graduating from high school, there is way more fun to be had with alcohol.
I dunno, to each their own. Our safe grad was parents driving us home. I don't remember anything past midnight. I know there was a girl who had wanted me to bring her to grad with me, but I was more interested in getting hammered and didn't want the hassle. So some other dude brought her, then after some drinks she ended up ditching him and hanging out with me all night. I didn't have to buy her anything or do anything and still ended up being in the right place later in the night... Hehehe
I woke up at home at like 3 in the afternoon the next day. Everyone else went "grad camping" to get drunk and I went to the field to row crop cultivate. Figures, I pick farming over partying.
Every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. That means every day you see me, that's the worst day of my life.
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June 8th 2009 at 12:25 PM
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Here in WI the fine for providing alcohol to minors is something like $700. Multiply that by the number of people served and the cost surely outwights any benefit the kids get. Add in if someone decides to leave and gets hurt, the provider can be sued. The costs could add up to a year or more of college tuition. My graduation class lost 2 members within 1 month of graduation. One was at a supposed "supervised" party.
My daughter graduates in two years. My wife wants a "supervised" party. To her credit, at this point my daughter is against it. She knows that one night of her life is not worth the possible cost.
If I could come up with an iron clad way to ensure that the kids would not get out of control and leave, I might consider it. I think the only way to do that is to have every parent buy some of the booze-everyone is then on the hook. They would also have to come pick up their kid-no questions asked-if said kid gets out of control.
Find the line between respect and fear....then flirt with it
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June 8th 2009 at 12:55 PM
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Quote originally posted by Polaris-Man
To: All the uptight people who "don't drink" and "frown upon the parents allowing this to happen"
These parents are realistic. They know their kid is gonna go get hammered regardless. I realize that there are some who "don't need alcohol" but most people think "party = booze".
I rarely drink anymore but back when I was 15 - 16 through like... well 24 or 25 every party resulted in being hammered. Party was just an excuse for drinking.
As for "this will get these kids started". BS, they have probably been getting drunk for awhile and will continue to do so. Also if it's on private property and the parents are providing the booze, it's not illegal. A cop stated that in the article.
There is fun to be had without alcohol, I know this. But when you're 17 or 18 and graduating from high school, there is way more fun to be had with alcohol.
I dunno, to each their own. Our safe grad was parents driving us home. I don't remember anything past midnight. I know there was a girl who had wanted me to bring her to grad with me, but I was more interested in getting hammered and didn't want the hassle. So some other dude brought her, then after some drinks she ended up ditching him and hanging out with me all night. I didn't have to buy her anything or do anything and still ended up being in the right place later in the night... Hehehe
I woke up at home at like 3 in the afternoon the next day. Everyone else went "grad camping" to get drunk and I went to the field to row crop cultivate. Figures, I pick farming over partying.
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June 8th 2009 at 2:03 PM
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any parent that says "my kid will do it somewhere else so i better let them" is a LOSER PARENT.
as a parent you teach your kid that the law is the law. you cant drink at home and you are expected to not drink at other houses. if you do you will have consequences. its that simple. did i drink in high school? yep a couple times. I made sure i was going to stay were i drank. but none the less when i got home the next day if my parents suspected that i had been drinking i had some sort of punishment.
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June 8th 2009 at 11:18 PM
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The problem now is that kids see it so often as a party element, it's basically assumed that party = drink. Today, if you don't drink, you're not cool
My parents introduced me to alcohol at a young (13) age. Once in a while, they gave me a half glass of wine, a little bit of beer. Always under supervision. Always under their control. Once we went out of our house, it wasn't done.
The first time I drank in High school, it was graduation night, and I stayed where I drank. Did my parents know? You betcha. They're not dumb. I was responsible about it, though. The GTO was in the garage before I even looked at any alcohol and they knew where I was staying. I never "had" to get drunk to have a good time at a party. And I thank my parents for the mentality.
To those who think parents are "losers" or whatever because they "allow" their kids to drink, I ask you this. Is it that different from when you were "young" that kids are drinking underage? NO. My father is almost 60 and he still talks about the parties he went to as a freshman and sophomore in high school. The dumb things they did like driving while drunk were not penalized as harshly then as they are now. My uncle crashed his car drunk and the cop brought him home to get our tow truck and sent him on his merry way. No ticket, no jail. People's mentalities have changed.
Some things change. Underage drinking has not and will never change. Kids will still try to get beer, liquor or whatever else they can. Kids will still get drunk, drive, and die behind the wheel, and it's not only kids that do that...
If the parent is naive or overly harsh about it, it will inspire that kid to try even harder for it. Kids love a challenge and love "getting away" with something. Maybe if the parents were more realistic and proactive about protecting their kids, it wouldn't be such a bad thing...
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June 9th 2009 at 8:32 AM
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to teach a kid responsible drinking and allowing them to have some wine at holidays or a teenage boy a beer after a hard day of working him is the correct thing to do. you are teaching them they can have a drink without having to get drunk.
I am uncool because when i went to parties and people would try to be mean to get me and other people who didnt want to drink to drink. peer pressure is an excuse to drink or try drugs.
a loser parent is the one who lets the kids drink and party hard at there house because they are going to do it any way.
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June 10th 2009 at 1:52 AM
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I couldn't agree with p-man more.
It's kind of ironic but last thursday was our last day of school and i went to a party afterwards. Their were two DD's at the party one of whom is a very good friend of mine. I told him when i showed up at the party that when he thought i had enough to bring me home. Well low and behold about 2 hours later he was bringing myself and another friend home. Their was 4 cop cars in his drive way waiting. one of the police officers was asking if we had been drinking and making us do the breath analyzers. I figured well i'm going to get caught anyways so i was 100% honest with him that i was drinking. he brought me home and gave me a $250 ticket. My parents were upset at first but after a while they came to realize that i was smart enough to get a sober ride home. I made a mistake but it could have been alot worse. Judge me how ever you want.
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June 15th 2009 at 11:34 PM
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I refuse to even hang out with the majority of 'friends' now due to their alcoholic tendencies.
If I hear "bonfire" or "house party" one more time this week, I'm going to flip a nut. I'm so sick of sitting in someones suburban back yard, staring at a fire, while drunks spout idiocy in every direction. Also, I'm sick of spaghetti armed jocks trying to get in fights at house parties. Its driving me crazy, this youth alcoholism
Some people that I know, who consider me a very good friend, and trust me deeply - I have NEVER seen sober.
My town is I think the second largest suburban town in MN, I live outside of it, by the farmers.
Either way, I'm not rich nor incredibly privileged(but incredibly thankful for what I have), I can't spend my parents money on booze, I don't even like booze, and I am not disrespectful enough to throw a party in their absence. THEIR PROPERTY, not mine.
Anyways, Polarisfan, if the kids up there have that many 'casualties' happening due to alcohol, wouldn't it make sense that the parents prohibit it, rather than support it? I still don't understand how you can support providing alcohol to minors who get drunk and rape women. Seriously?
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