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That plane that landed in the river
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June 13th 2009 at 10:24 AM
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arcticcatmatt
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Why does reading this piss me off?
http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/artic...-in-hudson
Seems to me that plane had alot of selfish people. They were paid $5,000 each. Now there are people who got another 5,000 and are asking for more because of "mental damage".
Come on, the plane hit birds. The entire situation is not anyone's fault.
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June 13th 2009 at 10:42 AM
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XLT96rider
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This whole thing sounds like it's just greedy people looking for a free ride...again. As a passenger, you should be aware of the risks of flying. As for the computer equipment, did they ever hear of UPS?? Does his employer have insurance for theft and loss?? Probably, but won't use it. I would've been pretty happy to just get the $5000.00, which the airline didn't even have to give. I used to be on a plane all the time for work and only carried just what was needed, the rest we always sent UPS, just so it wouldn't get lost at the terminals.
Oh, no!! Boo Hoo!! People need to grow up already, SH!T HAPPENS!!!!
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June 13th 2009 at 10:57 AM
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ACG
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I would be happy with $5000. It would pay for my clothes and tools are carry with me and my laptop is insured. Everyone just wants more money now adays.
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June 13th 2009 at 4:53 PM
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1greenmachine
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What happened to a time where living thru that would be enough and losing their personal items on the plane no biggy. To the people that are trying to sue because of greed i guess its a shame you had to survive and lose some stuff, now i kinda wish maybe we'd be better off if those people were fish food.
I starting to think maybe this country needs to fall flat and everyone lose everything so we can see how good we have it and don't deserve it either.
I spend money i don't have, on parts i don't need, to impress people i don't know.
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June 13th 2009 at 7:11 PM
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87srvsnow
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This post is considered "no good" by the community with a rating of -3. View it anyways?
greedy people, what happened to the days when people would say things like "who cares about your stuff it only matters that your ok". i wish i lived in the 1950's. best time ever. 1956 ford thunder-bird baby!
Bambi would have been a better and shorter movie if he was shot in the beginning with his mother
if a ride on lawn mower takes bumps better than your sled, its time to upgrade
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June 13th 2009 at 7:49 PM
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prank
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i would be happy just living knowing that u could have died easily. greedy
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June 13th 2009 at 8:23 PM
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proxsledhead
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the ppl are just f*ckin idiots, thats all. f*ckin idiots
FreeWill, Freeride, Freestyle
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June 13th 2009 at 9:02 PM
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bobp53916
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Why not take them for the money?? AIG is the insurance company, why not take back some of the tax payers money?? If you got rearended by another car and ended up with injuries, mental or physical, you wouldnt sue them?? Accidents happen!!! Whether you know that flying is dangerous or not, that flight company is fully responsible for its passengers, whether its and accident, act of god or any other.
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June 14th 2009 at 8:30 AM
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Polaris-Man
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The airline is responsible for it's passengers and every single one of those passengers got to sleep in a bed that night, which means the airline did a fine job. As for petty crap like "my laptop" they are now just, well, being a sterotypical american.
You have to remember they also gave each passenger $5000. They did not have to do that.
The "medical bills" for the brain damage everyone apparently got, should be the responsibility of the passenger. You know when you get on a plane there is a risk it can go down. If it does, why should the airline have to pay to un-rattle you? When you board you are fully aware of the potential that this thing could go down. At least you should be.
Perhaps someone direct these people to the articles about that Air France A330 that crashed a week or two ago. Might remind them where they could be and they should stop their damn complaining.
Every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. That means every day you see me, that's the worst day of my life.
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June 14th 2009 at 10:10 AM
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TRICKPaint
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They should be paying the airline for saving their sorry butts! Attorneys encourage this behavior of wanting money for anything and everything that some idiot can negate their own involvment in and even when they are partially responsible for an incident.
I would have been happy with the 5 grand and would want to personally thank the crew!
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June 14th 2009 at 10:35 AM
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I think US airways should give them the 5 g's and then turn around and charge them 5500.00 for an "extra stop" or charge them for a "water landing"!! LMAO
General in the Anti-Catsdouche06 army, saving the world from stupidity and inbreeding!
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June 14th 2009 at 3:52 PM
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bobp53916
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Quote originally posted by Polaris-Man
The airline is responsible for it's passengers and every single one of those passengers got to sleep in a bed that night, which means the airline did a fine job. As for petty crap like "my laptop" they are now just, well, being a sterotypical american.
You have to remember they also gave each passenger $5000. They did not have to do that.
The "medical bills" for the brain damage everyone apparently got, should be the responsibility of the passenger. You know when you get on a plane there is a risk it can go down. If it does, why should the airline have to pay to un-rattle you? When you board you are fully aware of the potential that this thing could go down. At least you should be.
Perhaps someone direct these people to the articles about that Air France A330 that crashed a week or two ago. Might remind them where they could be and they should stop their damn complaining.
Wow, your obviously a very intelligent person  ...If you have a passenger in your vehicle, he knows full well that you could get into an accident and die...Doesnt mean the driver and person that owns the vehicle isnt REPSONSIBLE for that passenger...What if the people would have been killed, would the airline be responsible then?? Would the families have a right to sue them?? AIG paid the money, do you give a damn about AIG? Thats right your Canadian, your taxes arent gonna double because of the money they got from the Govt. Who gives a f#ck if AIG should give out money to people that have in a roundabout way KEPT THEIR DOORS OPEN...
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June 14th 2009 at 4:23 PM
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Polaris-Man
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Quote originally posted by bobp53916
Wow, your obviously a very intelligent person
Is that sarcasm? I can't tell. Because I'm unintelligent.
Quote originally posted by bobp53916
If you have a passenger in your vehicle, he knows full well that you could get into an accident and die...Doesnt mean the driver and person that owns the vehicle isnt REPSONSIBLE for that passenger
For sure. But if the driver hits a flock of birds that flew into his path, it kills his engine and you end up stuck in the ditch with perhaps a couple of bruises, shouldn't you be happy you didn't flip over and die? Or should you sue the guy driving because your laptop slid off the seat and broke. Maybe punch him too while you're at it since it's all his fault.
The plane hit birds, lost power and went down. They are lucky to be alive and shouldn't be bitching about losing a computer.
But, yanno, the airline with it's "Leave your crap in the cabin in an emergency" policy has that just to get under passenger's skin. Because I'm sure the plane would have emptied just as quickly with people carrying their junk off the plane with them. Because that's what's important right? Material possessions.
But you're concerned because your taxes went up. There was an accident so might as well point fingers and suck what you can, god bless america.
Every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. That means every day you see me, that's the worst day of my life.
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June 14th 2009 at 6:51 PM
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Polaristhewayout
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Quote originally posted by 87srvsnow
greedy people, what happened to the days when people would say things like "who cares about your stuff it only matters that your ok". i wish i lived in the 1950's. best time ever. 1956 ford thunder-bird baby!
you weren't even born then?
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June 15th 2009 at 8:57 AM
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KingPrat
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Quote originally posted by bobp53916
Wow, your obviously a very intelligent person ...If you have a passenger in your vehicle, he knows full well that you could get into an accident and die...Doesnt mean the driver and person that owns the vehicle isnt REPSONSIBLE for that passenger...What if the people would have been killed, would the airline be responsible then?? Would the families have a right to sue them?? AIG paid the money, do you give a damn about AIG? Thats right your Canadian, your taxes arent gonna double because of the money they got from the Govt. Who gives a f#ck if AIG should give out money to people that have in a roundabout way KEPT THEIR DOORS OPEN...
Wow, you obviously didn't read the whole story.
Aviation insurance is different from auto insurance in that the company must be negligent in the event of an accident if there will be payouts to the survivors. The plane hit a flock of birds, therefore there was no "negligence" on behalf of the carrier. Therefore, the insurance has no claim to pay out on.
Auto insurance is the way it is because there is a substantially higher rate of accidents. Airlines don't have to worry about a plane going down every day, so they don't need the same type of coverage.
What happened to these people's $5000 that the company so generously paid out, even though they didn't have to? That would more than cover her mental health deductible....
2000 XCSP 700: Edge rear suspension, 1.25 Ripsaw, 144 Accord Racing Warthog ZXP studs, Sportech Decals, Stripped Tunnel, 3" Riser, Gutted Airbox, Boyesen Rave Valves
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June 15th 2009 at 12:21 PM
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bobp53916
Looking for Sno Pro motor mounts
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I didnt say there was negligence, I said the company is fully responsible for its passengers when they are aboard that plane. If they would have all died would the families been able to sue? If you have a passenger in your car, hit a deer on the highway and off into the ditch and hit a tree, and the passenger was seriously injured, can you be sued? There was no negligence on your part. Of course you can, your liable for that person while they are a passenger in your car. I read this article and another one about how AIG wasnt going to pay anyone. What I am saying is, even in nothing did happen to the passengers, if they can get money out of AIG, go for it. Its OUR money that kept their doors open and they dont even have to pay it back, WE as taxpayers are going to have to pay Uncle Sam back for it though. Tell me how you feel about AIG in a year or two when you taxes DOUBLE...
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June 15th 2009 at 1:06 PM
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picman
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Sounds like passengers can get more money if they can document they lost more than the 5K payout. I'm alive and get most of my loss covered by the airline instead of my personal insurance. I am a happy camper. The lady that thinks she needs the head shrinker should start adding up her losses-ask for more if proveable-and then take the airline up on their offer of 3 sessions. Shouldn't take more than that to work it out.
My advice is to keep telling yourself, I am glad my family is alive and well!!
Find the line between respect and fear....then flirt with it
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June 15th 2009 at 4:55 PM
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KingPrat
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Quote originally posted by bobp53916 I didnt say there was negligence, I said the company is fully responsible for its passengers when they are aboard that plane. They landed safely, no one was seriously injured or killed, and the airline paid them each $5000 for the troubles. I'd say that was being pretty responsible. Quote originally posted by bobp53916 If they would have all died would the families been able to sue? That's a different type of claim. Quote originally posted by bobp53916 If you have a passenger in your car, hit a deer on the highway and off into the ditch and hit a tree, and the passenger was seriously injured, can you be sued? There was no negligence on your part. Of course you can, your liable for that person while they are a passenger in your car. I read this article and another one about how AIG wasnt going to pay anyone. What I am saying is, even in nothing did happen to the passengers, if they can get money out of AIG, go for it. Its OUR money that kept their doors open and they dont even have to pay it back, WE as taxpayers are going to have to pay Uncle Sam back for it though. Tell me how you feel about AIG in a year or two when you taxes DOUBLE... Auto insurance is a fault-type insurance. If you hit a deer and run off into a ditch, then there's a no-fault claim. "Act of God" as they term it. If there are injuries or damage to the car or property, you can claim it as part of the accident. If there is another driver involved, then there is an accident study done, and the fault is determined from that. The at-fault driver's insurance then pays for the damages. Airline insurance, as the article states, is a negligence-type insurance. They are only liable if it is determined that there was negligence on behalf of the airline. Flock of birds = no negligence. AIG is responsible for the replacement of a few hundred million dollar aircraft. Do you really think they want to deal with the petty wants of people who are lucky to be alive? After having to beg for money that congress so frivolously spent to make them even able to cover the things they do. Do I agree with the payout? No. Do I agree with people begging for money for stupid claims? Never. As said above, people need to start learning that it's not about materialistic wants. These people that survived a 1 in 1 million river landing should kiss the ground they walk on and be eternally grateful to that damn pilot.
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June 15th 2009 at 5:05 PM
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bighabsfan11
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Quote originally posted by KingPrat
Quote originally posted by bobp53916
I didnt say there was negligence, I said the company is fully responsible for its passengers when they are aboard that plane. They landed safely, no one was seriously injured or killed, and the airline paid them each $5000 for the troubles. I'd say that was being pretty responsible.
Quote originally posted by bobp53916 If they would have all died would the families been able to sue? That's a different type of claim.
Quote originally posted by bobp53916 If you have a passenger in your car, hit a deer on the highway and off into the ditch and hit a tree, and the passenger was seriously injured, can you be sued? There was no negligence on your part. Of course you can, your liable for that person while they are a passenger in your car. I read this article and another one about how AIG wasnt going to pay anyone. What I am saying is, even in nothing did happen to the passengers, if they can get money out of AIG, go for it. Its OUR money that kept their doors open and they dont even have to pay it back, WE as taxpayers are going to have to pay Uncle Sam back for it though. Tell me how you feel about AIG in a year or two when you taxes DOUBLE...
Auto insurance is a fault-type insurance. If you hit a deer and run off into a ditch, then there's a no-fault claim. "Act of God" as they term it. If there are injuries or damage to the car or property, you can claim it as part of the accident. If there is another driver involved, then there is an accident study done, and the fault is determined from that. The at-fault driver's insurance then pays for the damages.
Airline insurance, as the article states, is a negligence-type insurance. They are only liable if it is determined that there was negligence on behalf of the airline. Flock of birds = no negligence.
AIG is responsible for the replacement of a few hundred million dollar aircraft. Do you really think they want to deal with the petty wants of people who are lucky to be alive? After having to beg for money that congress so frivolously spent to make them even able to cover the things they do. Do I agree with the payout? No. Do I agree with people begging for money for stupid claims? Never.
As said above, people need to start learning that it's not about materialistic wants. These people that survived a 1 in 1 million river landing should kiss the ground they walk on and be eternally grateful to that damn pilot.
^^^ x2. They should be thanking the company for having a pilot that put them down without killing them, not suing the company/its insurance provider...as well as thanking the Lord they were saved from what should have been a deadly incident.
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