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Vehicular Dilemma
- whether to trade or fix....
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June 23rd 2009 at 1:12 AM
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ZR600cce
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I need some reasoning from people who have been in my shoes, so if you aren't old enough to have experienced something similar to this then please refrain. I'm looking for wise information. Dilemma: I currently have a 2000 Chevrolet Silverado LT Z71 Ext Cab. with 170K. I absolutely love the truck and have added things such as tinted windows, sound system, exhaust, and K&N cold air intake. The problem is that lately I've had things start to break down on the truck and I can't help but wonder what's next? As of today I found out that the needs to be catalytic converter replaced, and my push button 4wd replaced in the dash. Two weeks ago I lost my front "half shaft" for the front left which cost me 700 Bones. I can't afford to keep replacing things. The catalytic converter is also causing my truck to suck my gas dry way faster than normal. It sucks to say the least. So now that I've found out that I now need to replace the converter, I've started to weigh my options as to whether a newer vehicle would be a better option or if I should just keep fixing. I've taken a look at my finances, and Right now I have rent to pay, $300 (everything included), will start paying school loans back ($200) is an average guess, and then if I decided to pick up a vehicle throw that on top. I went and looked at trucks in town and even considered buying a 1999 Silverado with 77K, but it's only a LS and they wanted 12,999. Which is more than what I payed for my truck 4.5 years ago when I bought it with 105K. He basically laughed at me when I told him he was way out of line and said he didn't even wanna waste my time. Won't ever do business there again. Especially when I've found newer trucks with a little bit more miles for that price or similar. I would like to upgrade years but haven't had the best luck and finding something I could enjoy driving until I happened upon this truck: http://www.siddillon.com/VehicleDetails/1034542294I figure if I can get them down to 13K for theirs and I get 6K for mine in trade in and throw about 500 more bucks on a down payment. A 4 year loan would run me at $158.68. I realize that there is sales tax plus licensing. Already taken care of. So what does a guy do? I'm finishing college here at the end of December, have 2 part time jobs plus I've picked up a ton of work for YellowBook as of recently but that should be finishing up here and I'll have made around 1K for that. Decisions are tough, especially because the expense of fixing this current truck has killed my bank account among having to buy things for my apartment. My parents are back and forth of the fence as for asking their opinion. This truck will be paid off by myself without the help of others fyi. I feel a truck is the best route because I hunt, snowmobile, fish, help my dad with carpentry (sold his truck because of lots of driving with regular job), and it's what I've known since I was 16. I just don't see a SUV or car as being feasible. 4 wheel drive is a must. Help me make this tough decision....
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2004 Silverado 1500 Extended Cab Z71
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June 23rd 2009 at 1:48 AM
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RMK-KING
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170K is a pretty good mileage number for stuff like that to start wearing out. It sounds like a vehical is a pretty big part of your life,you might as well make it as enjoyable as you can. If you are confident you will have a steady income in the future and can afford it id say go for it. I do not recommend living paycheck to paycheck though,always try and have enough to put away for emergency and personal enjoyment use. I personally do not buy motorized anything unless I have the cash on hand for it. But that is obviously not always a option for some.
What did they quote you for a new converter for your 2000? I know OEM ones are rediculously expensive. I put a highflow after market one on mine for $60 and have had no problems.
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June 23rd 2009 at 2:39 AM
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ZR600cce
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That's the part that scares me is the idea of not being able to make payments if I was to lose one of my jobs. I know that my parents would be willing to help me if something happened and I know that I would pay them back as soon as I was able financially able too. It's tough because the need is there but living paycheck to paycheck is not something that I desire and it's a fear of mine having to do so. My Dad gave me the same advice to put enough money for emergencies and eventually personal enjoyment, and I had decent jump start on that until my halfshaft axel broke and I was forced to use my personal enjoyment money. It really sucks because i was planning on buying an M-sled and selling my Mountain Cat with that money plus the sell of my mountain cat. It's a good thing my buyer backed out otherwise I would be sledless next season. BTW, both the sled and the truck are fully payed off. I agree, toy's need to be payed in full at the time of purchase.
I haven't been able to check with another shop yet, but I was quoted 450 minimum parts alone for the OEM. My service guy at my dealership is awesome and charges me fleet cost but he understands that it is expensive so he told me "off the record" that it would be wise to go to a smaller shop and get it replaced, if I chose not to trade. My fear though is that I get this fixed and then something else lets go....
It's tough being 22 and having a half a year left. I feel like I'm torn between college life and the real world, and it's been a large wakeup call. I wish I could go back to highschool where things seemed so much easier. What makes things worse is that I lost an amazing internship that I would have had this summer with a commercial real estate company because it was through the president and when he quit, it disappeared, (he made the internship for me). It would have been a minimum $10 an hour, 40 hours a week, plus they pay for credits. All down the drain. I guess you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket huh.
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June 23rd 2009 at 4:17 AM
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Ugly_old_Poo_kid
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Dude, fix your truck...
Don't trade it in for another unless you know the previous owner of the truck, and know they took meticulous care of it. Or else all you're doing is buying an unknown, and someone elses problems..
You know your truck, you like your truck, do your own work on it and save a lot of cash. For the 700 bones it cost you for the driveshaft, you could have bought the driveshaft and the tools it took to fix it, then done it yourself and had the tools for the next job..
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June 23rd 2009 at 6:05 AM
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xc1000
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Hey man,I totally understand your problem. I am a mechanic myself and I go through this with customers everyday. What I reccomend you do is have your mechanic do a complete check over on your truck. I mean pull all the wheels check all the brakes, ball joints, belts, hoses, fuel and brake lines for severe rust, just a really good check over. That way you know exactly where the truck is mechanically and maybe they will find something catastrophic and it will be a good thing you didnt put the money in the truck. Maybe they wont find anything seriously wrong and it wont be a big deal to put some money in it. A truck with 77k on it will need work too and you will have a payment on it vs. a truck that is payed off and needs some work. I think fixing the truck is your best bet until it needs something major like a engine or a tranny, then it would be time to move on. Good luck.
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June 23rd 2009 at 8:14 AM
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zxkid
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I'd tough it out and fix it. I went through this last year and traded my old truck in, and have regretted it every day since. If you current Truck is paid for, consider a small loan to fix all your problems at once. The payments will be less than a new/used truck. And Any vehicle pushing 100k will need work in the future and the then you'll find yourself with a car payment and repair bills a year from now. I took the easy way out, and now I hate paying $270 a month for the next 4 years for a slightly newer version of what I already Owned.
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June 23rd 2009 at 8:55 AM
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ZR600cce
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I understand what your saying. When I replaced my tires not that long ago, the guys tried to sell me on a brake flush too and went and showed me that the break fluid had never been cleaned, it was rusty. Said it was could rust out the copper inside and wreck my breaks. My service guy too admits that it might be time let go of the truck.
Another interesting update, is that I talked with my parents and my Mom kinda threw this at me. They were gonna wait till December and give me my graduation gift because thats when I complete my last credits (I walked early), but told me if I was to purchase they would but 1000 down for me to help with payments.
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2005 M7 '153 w/ Speedwerx Pipe,Can
RiVeR CiTy SnOwDrIfTeRs-Omaha Neb
2004 Silverado 1500 Extended Cab Z71
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June 23rd 2009 at 11:06 AM
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bighabsfan11
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Quote originally posted by ZR600cce
I understand what your saying. When I replaced my tires not that long ago, the guys tried to sell me on a brake flush too and went and showed me that the break fluid had never been cleaned, it was rusty. Said it was could rust out the copper inside and wreck my breaks. My service guy too admits that it might be time let go of the truck.
Another interesting update, is that I talked with my parents and my Mom kinda threw this at me. They were gonna wait till December and give me my graduation gift because thats when I complete my last credits (I walked early), but told me if I was to purchase they would but 1000 down for me to help with payments.
Totally agree with xc1000 - have your mechanic (not at a dealership - shop rates are insane, compared with smaller auto places) do a thorough check, so you can anticipate what to expect.
On the monetary side, look at it this way:
Monthly payments of $158 x 12 = $1896 per year...if you start spending, or need to spend more than that, then another truck may be worth it. IF it's solid, mechanically. Make sure you get a buyer's inspection done, so they can see if there's anything "fishy" before you lay down any coin on some truck that's been temp. fixed for a buyer's benefit, only to break down a month or two later.
My .02.
Good luck!
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June 23rd 2009 at 11:12 AM
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ZR600cce
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That's a good way to think about it bighabsfan. Trust me, before I ever consider even buying a truck I get it taken to a friend who is a mechanic and looks things over. From there, I make sure to get a full carfax reports and such. I could easily see myself having to spend that $1896. I mean I've already dropped 700 bucks on one thing, it just got a new fuel pump which was another 700, and now it needs a new relay switch, and converter. I can only imagine what's next.
What do you guys think of the truck I'm considering?
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2005 M7 '153 w/ Speedwerx Pipe,Can
RiVeR CiTy SnOwDrIfTeRs-Omaha Neb
2004 Silverado 1500 Extended Cab Z71
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June 23rd 2009 at 11:29 AM
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XLT96rider
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The truck you are looking at buying looks pretty nice, but one question I always have in my mind when buying used, is how was it maintained? You know everything about the one you have now. There are some shops around yet that love to deal with cash. Could be a little cheaper for repairs????
I have to agree with bighabsfan11, you can make payments, or just put that much a month into your current truck. Fix the stuff that has to be done first, and when you get the money, work on the rest. And it sounds like you have it set up just the way you want already. It's got a few miles, but if you maintained it well, it'll have a lot of life left.
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June 23rd 2009 at 1:08 PM
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picman
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Quote originally posted by ZR600cce
I need some reasoning from people who have been in my shoes, so if you aren't old enough to have experienced something similar to this then please refrain. I'm looking for wise information. Dilemma:
I currently have a 2000 Chevrolet Silverado LT Z71 Ext Cab. with 170K. I absolutely love the truck and have added things such as tinted windows, sound system, exhaust, and K&N cold air intake. The problem is that lately I've had things start to break down on the truck and I can't help but wonder what's next? As of today I found out that the needs to be catalytic converter replaced, and my push button 4wd replaced in the dash. Two weeks ago I lost my front "half shaft" for the front left which cost me 700 Bones. I can't afford to keep replacing things. The catalytic converter is also causing my truck to suck my gas dry way faster than normal. It sucks to say the least.
So now that I've found out that I now need to replace the converter, I've started to weigh my options as to whether a newer vehicle would be a better option or if I should just keep fixing. I've taken a look at my finances, and Right now I have rent to pay, $300 (everything included), will start paying school loans back ($200) is an average guess, and then if I decided to pick up a vehicle throw that on top.
I went and looked at trucks in town and even considered buying a 1999 Silverado with 77K, but it's only a LS and they wanted 12,999. Which is more than what I payed for my truck 4.5 years ago when I bought it with 105K. He basically laughed at me when I told him he was way out of line and said he didn't even wanna waste my time. Won't ever do business there again. Especially when I've found newer trucks with a little bit more miles for that price or similar. I would like to upgrade years but haven't had the best luck and finding something I could enjoy driving until I happened upon this truck:
http://www.siddillon.com/VehicleDetails/1034542294
I figure if I can get them down to 13K for theirs and I get 6K for mine in trade in and throw about 500 more bucks on a down payment. A 4 year loan would run me at $158.68. I realize that there is sales tax plus licensing. Already taken care of.
So what does a guy do? I'm finishing college here at the end of December, have 2 part time jobs plus I've picked up a ton of work for YellowBook as of recently but that should be finishing up here and I'll have made around 1K for that. Decisions are tough, especially because the expense of fixing this current truck has killed my bank account among having to buy things for my apartment. My parents are back and forth of the fence as for asking their opinion. This truck will be paid off by myself without the help of others fyi. I feel a truck is the best route because I hunt, snowmobile, fish, help my dad with carpentry (sold his truck because of lots of driving with regular job), and it's what I've known since I was 16. I just don't see a SUV or car as being feasible. 4 wheel drive is a must. Help me make this tough decision....
Have you looked up the "blue book" value on your truck? If that is the published trade in price, a dealer will knock more off when they find out about the deficiencies. Or is that just your guestimate?
I definitely agree with the guys who have suggested you have someone give it a good once over. If you decide to fix er up, can you do any of the work yourself? Like changing out the brake fluid. If you fix it, use as many "aftermarket" parts as possible. At the parts store, ask if they have replacement parts that have a "lifetime" warranty. Sometimes this is good, others not. Ask the price difference between the el cheapo and lifetime. Some places have 2-4 different price levels for the same part. Our Checker store was good for that.
You are in a tough spot. I'd go with fixing it up to at least get through school and wait until I had a full time job before buying anything else.
There is an old saying that bad things come in 3's. You have your 3.
Good luck!!
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June 23rd 2009 at 1:48 PM
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flatlander_summit
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When you start considering the money that you're probably going to start putting in your truck if you think it's going to be more than a car payment then I think it's time to trade unless you can get the parts for cost and can do the repairs yourself. With the prices of parts and labor today it's hard to justify putting repair money into a continually depreciating vehicle. Even if it's a wash between the payments and the repair bills in the future you have a newer vehicle with fewer miles and a higher resale than your current pickup. We used to buy older higher mileage vehicles, but then came to the realization that the difference in the repair bills and a year or two old vehicle was very little. Plus, when things are said and done you have a newer vehicle that is more reliable and worth more at the end.
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June 23rd 2009 at 1:56 PM
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Polaris-Man
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I had a similar situation last winter, I have a 2004 F150 Lariat and the engine on it blew. That's some coin right there. They had an '08 F150 Lariat there and they said they would take mine on trade for the '08. Then the numbers come, if I recall correctly to put a new engine in my current truck it was between 9 and 10 grand. Now to buy an '04 F150 Lariat with 110,000 KM on it, runs about $18,000. They were gonna give me $10,000 for it on trade with the blown engine. But the '08 F150 Lariat was in the $35,000 cash range. So once the dealer screwed with numbers and everything I'd be paying a touch over $20,000 to boot. Now they say "you're getting 4 years newer", I believe the '08 had 16,000 km on it, so it was like new. However it didn't have some features my '04 had.
In the end I coughed up 10 grand for a new engine (drop in, it blew up idling in my driveway while I was in the house, I don't know how long it ran without oil pressure and figured it would be better to get a whole new engine than to fix whatever was broken and risk having it wreck again and blow all kinds of cash on labor twice) and I got the extended warranty plan, so the whole truck is under warranty again for 3 years or 60,000 km.
As of now I'm happy with my decision because I bought this truck with 50,000 km on it and it was great until it blew up, for god knows what reason, but it's running great now, it has all the features I look for in a vehicle and I'm glad I kept it.
That was my experience, but my truck still has quite low miles on it, as it's at 121,000 km right now which is still far less than 100,000 miles.
Good luck, I know how tough these decisions are and regardless what you do you might be very happy or kicking yourself a few months from now...
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June 23rd 2009 at 2:11 PM
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arcticcatmatt
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Ha look at that. You are looking at my truck (well pretty much same thing) to buy.
It sounds like you are paying the dealer or a mechanic to do all your work and parts. Even at fleet pricing, you are going to pay. All those things you have listed that have went wrong at 170,000 miles could have been done by yourself and even maybe with used parts from the junkyard for a fraction of the costs.
If you are going to have a vehicle with 170,000 on it, be prepared to maintain it and work on it. The benefit to having a new truck is a warranty and everything is brand new. The benefit of having an older truck, is that it is paid for and the only money it costs you is repairs (cheap if you do your own work). If you pay someone else to do everything, it is going to cost you big money to have that old 170k truck.
OR.. you can do the route I take. I drive a cheap paid for car as my daily driver and only drive my truck when I need it. I bought her brand new in 2004 and it is now paid for.. it only has 53,000 miles and is of course mint. I do all my own work.. Mostly I only work on the car when needed and do simple things to the truck (brakes/rotors).
If you keep your truck, start working on it yourself and using junk yard parts. Your truck has 170,000 miles and does not deserve new parts that are expensive.
If you buy a new truck, get an american one that will last you another 170+k and keep me employed a little longer :). Bet you could get a short box chevy or ford 4x4 for 17k at the moment.
If you buy a used truck, you will have to work on that some too (granted, less than you work on yours but still work on it).
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June 23rd 2009 at 3:01 PM
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ZR600cce
The Strong Silent Guy
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I won't be able to buy a new truck, that's for sure. But I will always buy an American made product and I do love Chevy's and I'm pretty partial to them. I've never not owned a chevrolet. I'm heading into the dealership now to dry and see what I can get. On the way home I noticed that I need to get the rotors trimmed if I keep the truck because my brakes are pulsating. Wish me luck and I'll let you guys know what happens.
PS, I have been using junkyard parts, to fix some stuff, but there are a lot of things I don't know how to fix, thats why I take it to a mechanic. What's great is there a place called NORDSTROMS auto salvage and they get brand new vehicles that dealers can't accept because they were damaged in transport so there are new parts. I recently got a fog light which the dealership wanted $125 for $50. It's nuts seeing brand new vehicles with scratch or a bent $50 piece of metal being out there and used for parts. They had two brand new hummers being pulled apart and a new Silverado. I wanted to tell them not to disassemble and just give it to me. I can live with a few scratches.....
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2005 M7 '153 w/ Speedwerx Pipe,Can
RiVeR CiTy SnOwDrIfTeRs-Omaha Neb
2004 Silverado 1500 Extended Cab Z71
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June 23rd 2009 at 9:50 PM
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arcticcatmatt
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^ I don't know how they are around you but here they want 20 bucks to turn each rotor.. then you have a thinner rotor that does not last long at all.
I recently got rotors for my car that came with a lifetime warranty from advanced auto parts. BUT, for my silverado, I put on a kit from SSBC that are slotted zinc coated. Came with 4 rotors and performance brakes. The guys on fullsizechevy.com recommended them.
I am unsure how much the kit is now.. 300-400. Just throwing the idea out there for you. Glad to hear you do some of your own work. Anything that you have been paying someone else to do, just do a google search if you want to tackle it and follow instructions. Most of the things I have learned, I learned by reading about it online and tackling it with success and saving huge money.
That place with the new parts is unique. I bet he parts them out for more than they are worth as a whole vehicle.
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June 23rd 2009 at 10:22 PM
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adam411
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I would say unless your getting a new (like 09) truck where you know the parts are new I would just fix the old. Would you rather have an old truck with new parts, Or an old truck with old parts.
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June 23rd 2009 at 11:41 PM
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ZR600cce
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The truck is pulling to the right, which doesn't make sense because it was just realigned at the stealership, which means I might have bent the control arms when the front left drive shaft broke, or it's just out of alignment again. It sucks because there is only 2K miles on this last realignment when I got brand new tires. I went and looked at the truck above and it was definately a farm truck, and it had 2 spots I found where it had been repainted, even though carfax said it hadn't been in a wreck. It was stupid of them because one side had rock chips behind the back left tire and the right side was nice and clean.
I did find an '04 Silverado with 84K. It was fully loaded with dual exhaust but they wanted 16,900 and when I told them no way they dropped to 15,500 but that is still 300 above KBB and NADA was 14,750. They wouldnt budge on the truck. I even offered them 500 more than top price but they wouldnt budge. I was told to try and get it for 14000 to 14250.
Tommorrow I'm going to look at a smaller dealership about 25 miles outside of where I live and I've been told good things about the dealership. They have two trucks that are priced in the right area. I like the one with 11,000 less miles and captains seats in it. I'm gonna go work and see what I can do on them tomorrow.
Here is a link: http://www.jerrysautosales.com/chevy/use...rentpage=2
What do you guys think of these two?
ARTIC CAT
2005 M7 '153 w/ Speedwerx Pipe,Can
RiVeR CiTy SnOwDrIfTeRs-Omaha Neb
2004 Silverado 1500 Extended Cab Z71
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arcticcatmatt
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^ now those ones are like my truck.. except mine is a Z71.
Common problems (As with any vehicle with wheels) are the parking brake sucks, the rear brakes tend to get eaten fast because debris flying onto the rotors (there is a rubber flap fix for that), intermediate steering shaft clunks (unless it is the new revised design OR aftermarket install), stock CD player likes to eat CD's and not give them back, rear end has an occasional clunk in it when shifting from 1st to 2nd when you are being easy on the gas (every single one I have driven has done it, it was designed to have play in the rear end and is normal and does not affect the reliability of the truck).
It gets great MPG for a truck.. 16-19 mpg is common (assuming it has 3.73 gears) Power is 300 hp.
Body work wouldn't bother me. Mine has had some. If body work is done right.. it is a non issue IMO. I would ask for an extended body/paint warranty from the dealer you buy from if you notice body work. NOthing worse than buying it and the paint going to crap in a year because someone cut corners. Most dealers will not have a problem warrantying that for you as chances are it is fine.
Don't fret about a used truck. Not all are other peoples problems. My brother trades in his trucks every 3-4 years and my brother in law trades his in every 2 years. They have never traded in a truck with a problem.. they just want NEW trucks and love truck payments. If you try to trade your truck, they are going to offer you wholesale price because they are going to auction it (at least that is what happens here). Then some small small place buys it for a few thousand, and puts it on his buy her pay here lot or whatever and makes a killing.
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June 24th 2009 at 9:19 PM
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ZR600cce
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I bought a truck and here she is:
http://www.prostrolloautomall.com/show.a...vid=979266
I got them down from the price listed a little bit, but they were pretty tough. Now I have a truck payment. The only bad thing is that the bed is scratched to ****. But I plan on saving up a ton, and then having it rhinolined once I have some extra cash. I thought about a plastic bed-liner but my fear is with all the scratches that water will get underneath liner and then start to rust and we all know that's not good. There isn't really any scratches that are definitive or anything, you have to really look. I didn't find any paint over spray and asked for a carfax. It is a one owner, local who buys, then trades after 75,000. The car salesmen put another 10,000 on it running around to auto auctions supposedly. Could be a line of BS, I know but the carfax showed that it was traded in at 75K.
Matt, I'm not afraid to buy used because I've had good luck, and I could never afford to buy anything but used. College kid incomes don't work that way, and my parents wouldn't even buy themself new vehicles at the moment. There are other expenses to take car of unlike a vehicle thats in constant depreciation....
ARTIC CAT
2005 M7 '153 w/ Speedwerx Pipe,Can
RiVeR CiTy SnOwDrIfTeRs-Omaha Neb
2004 Silverado 1500 Extended Cab Z71
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arcticcatmatt
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arcticcatmatt leaving after work for 3 days of shotgun season back home!
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^ Awesome! Congrats! Welcome to the 04 silverado club (there really isn't one, I just made it for you and I haha). Mine  What are you doing with your old one? Feel free to hit me up with any questions about your truck you have! Bed is scratched? No big deal IMO. I am not for those spray in bed liners. I like to throw things in the back and not worry about denting it. I put wax in my bed when brand new and did not wipe off the wax. I then put in my bed liner and a rubber mat on top of that. I sleep in the back of mine from time to time so it is nice because I can wipe it out too and clean it up nice. I took the bedliner out last year (4 years installed, 1 year without the cap) and it was perfect. This is my second truck I had a bedliner in and my bro/dad/bro in law all have bedliners in all their trucks. None of us has had any rust start.
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June 24th 2009 at 11:17 PM
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ZR600cce
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Yea, you can tell that he had a tool box in the back and I would say there are slightly more than normal scratches and wear on it. Almost like he had some hauled rock in the back end for landscaping or something. I am for sure gonna wax the rear end. I'm gonna head out to that Nordstroms Auto Salvage this week and see what they have for cheap bedliners. If I remember right they had stacks of them priced for 20-50 bucks and if I can find one to fit, it's going on. Wax First. I thought about putting a rubber mat on too, but I wanna cover the fender wells. I just like taking care of my trucks, and try to keep them in good shape. Get better resale out of them that way. I'm pretty excited. Especially since it's fully loaded with the Bose Speakers and all.
Matt, my Dad used to have that exact same truck color wise, but didn't have the black fender well covers. He bought it brand new from my uncle when they had dealer pricing. It had the chrome package, so new billet grill, chrome handles covers, smoke guards, and a few extra goodies. I love the look of your topper. Wouldn't mind having one of those during the winter, or even summer for camping purposes!
ARTIC CAT
2005 M7 '153 w/ Speedwerx Pipe,Can
RiVeR CiTy SnOwDrIfTeRs-Omaha Neb
2004 Silverado 1500 Extended Cab Z71
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June 25th 2009 at 9:17 AM
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arcticcatmatt
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arcticcatmatt leaving after work for 3 days of shotgun season back home!
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14007 Posts
Group: Moderators
Member Since: November 25th 2001
Location: Berkshire, NY, USA
Current Sled: 96/97 ZRT 600
2008-2009 Miles: 450
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^ I keep mine in good shape because I want it to last. Resale means nothing to me as I run all my vehicles until they are worthless. So upfront costs and reliability is most important to me.
Your dad got the chrome package? When I ordered mine in July 2004 the chrome package was not an option on anything I researched. Hmm. I wouldn't have got it anyways. Toppers/caps are handy! It is screwed me once or twice (couldn't fit something tall in the back) but it has helped me 10x as much than it has screwed me. That is an ARE Z series with smooth back glass, inside light, inside carpet, flip down front window, crank out screened windows, and clothes hanger in the ceiling. It was 1800 ish and well worth it.
I didn't see you answer what happened to your 2000. When do you get to pick up this 04?
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June 25th 2009 at 10:24 AM
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ZR600cce
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I traded my old truck in for 6K which was average trade-in according to NADA. I was happy with that because of the problems that the dealership now has to deal with it. I didn't want to have to pay to fix it and then sell it out right because I would have made less than 6K, and I wouldnt want to pass the problems onto a private party.
The Chrome Package was something that dealerships do as added flair, especially when they stick them in the showroom. It wasn't a chevy option, but something that the dealer did to entice buyers. In this case, my uncle added it in for my Dad.
I don't see myself buying a topper at the moment because I need to keep my income high and my spending low so that I can make sure to cover all bills. I plan on becoming a bit more conservative. No more bar runs, working a lot more weekends, and no more restaurants for a start.
ARTIC CAT
2005 M7 '153 w/ Speedwerx Pipe,Can
RiVeR CiTy SnOwDrIfTeRs-Omaha Neb
2004 Silverado 1500 Extended Cab Z71
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