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July 8th 2009 at 5:19 PM
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arcticcatmatt
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Interesting article on yahoo for your next conversation with an Obama lover
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090708/ap_o...ax_promise
I got a kick out of the lies he has told. What is next?
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July 8th 2009 at 5:40 PM
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ClassicCat76
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'76 Pantera 5000 F/C Conversion
MODS to come! Newer sled first!
Dad's Sled: '94 580 EXT dropped two teeth
Old doesn't necessarily mean slow!!
Do what you can with what you got.
Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.
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July 8th 2009 at 5:51 PM
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sledneck1978
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Does any of his BS really suprise you at this point??
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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July 8th 2009 at 7:41 PM
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Have to afford the second stimulus package somehow...maybe this one will work since the first one failed miserably. I like how Obama and Biden are constantly arguing too....
And our wonderful speaker of the house plans on pushing that bill through so fast noone will have time to read it, including our representatives. Hell, they aren't even going to finish and leave space to add on to/change after it has been passed.
And oh yeah Obama: I DONT WANT YOUR GOVERMENT HEALTH CARE!!!! Why do I have to pay for it? I know how government organizations are run. "oh, you need your apendix out, but I'm going to have to email my supervisor to get it approved, just hold on"
Look at the studies, half the people without health insurance have the money to afford it, but DO NOT WANT IT. Many of the people aren't actual citizens of the US, so that leave about a 1/3 that want health insurance and can't afford it....
I'm going to stop now....
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July 8th 2009 at 9:38 PM
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arcticcatmatt
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I had a conversation in person with a canuck the other day.. he laughed when we told him about universal health care.. he said "see my limp? thats because canada won't fix it"
I was more concerned about rising taxes. If everyone is spending less like they say.. then why is the government spending MORE and raising taxes? Hello mcfly!
On a positive note, I know many people that have bought new (american) vehicles in the past 2 months and my work has called some people back. Houses are selling like hotcakes around here. Hopefully we are on the upswing. But it won't be because of Obamaination, it will be because the American people who give a **** helped out.
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July 8th 2009 at 9:43 PM
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sledneck1978
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Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt
I had a conversation in person with a canuck the other day.. he laughed when we told him about universal health care.. he said "see my limp? thats because canada won't fix it"
I was more concerned about rising taxes. If everyone is spending less like they say.. then why is the government spending MORE and raising taxes? Hello mcfly!
On a positive note, I know many people that have bought new (american) vehicles in the past 2 months and my work has called some people back. Houses are selling like hotcakes around here. Hopefully we are on the upswing. But it won't be because of Obamaination, it will be because the American people who give a **** helped out.
I hope your friends are buying fords, not government motors (gm)
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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July 8th 2009 at 9:43 PM
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ClassicCat76
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^^^Amen to that
'76 Pantera 5000 F/C Conversion
MODS to come! Newer sled first!
Dad's Sled: '94 580 EXT dropped two teeth
Old doesn't necessarily mean slow!!
Do what you can with what you got.
Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.
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July 9th 2009 at 7:38 AM
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arcticcatmatt
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They are buying Fords and GM's actually. Which is a good thing because I design parts for all of them and GM holds my tax dollars that I don't want lost!
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July 9th 2009 at 9:37 AM
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SnowMan110
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You guys never cease to surprise me
Nowhere in that article did Obama say he was going to raise taxes for the middle class
Actually, nowhere in that article did it say anything about Obama raising household/income taxation
He's taxing things such has cigs/alcohol (both irrefutably negative for society) where the amount they are selling for now come nowhere CLOSE to meeting an equilibrium when you factor public health risks in. (Simply put, for you economic strangers: Cigs/alcohol cost society MUCH MORE for the govt than they are getting. Especially with govt/state healthcare assistance)
Although the soda thing is kind of idiotic(It cannot harm those around you, only the person who chose to do it. However, the same could be said about cocaine so that argument is useless)
How about we wait til Obama says something, then you can whine
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July 9th 2009 at 10:00 AM
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Rock
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I love the Hippocrissy of the right.....
dont have an abortion you baby killer......
Dont raise my taxes because you cant afford health care for your kids!
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July 9th 2009 at 10:12 AM
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SnowMan110
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Quote originally posted by Rock
I love the Hippocrissy of the right.....
dont have an abortion you baby killer......
Dont raise my taxes because you cant afford health care for your kids!
It aint the right and it aint the left
theyre all hypocrites
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July 9th 2009 at 10:36 AM
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Rock
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Quote originally posted by SnowMan110
Quote originally posted by Rock
I love the Hippocrissy of the right.....
dont have an abortion you baby killer......
Dont raise my taxes because you cant afford health care for your kids!
It aint the right and it aint the left
theyre all hypocrites
I can live with that! 
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July 9th 2009 at 1:22 PM
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As per normal, the best liar is the one in office and now we are stuck with him.
His stimulas package has failed as he's just plain gone at it wrong.
He can keep his health care package as we are now way too far into debt and need to stop the over spending.
He needs to actually do as he said in his campaign and go through the national budget line by line and get rid of the programs that do not work so as to stop the bad spending there.
In fact, the only reason I'd not ask him to resign is because I think Biden is even worse.
They both need to go away.
In short, his administration is a giant political crap sandwich that all of America now needs to take a big bite of.
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July 9th 2009 at 2:13 PM
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Quote originally posted by SnowMan110
You guys never cease to surprise me
Nowhere in that article did Obama say he was going to raise taxes for the middle class
Actually, nowhere in that article did it say anything about Obama raising household/income taxation
He's taxing things such has cigs/alcohol (both irrefutably negative for society) where the amount they are selling for now come nowhere CLOSE to meeting an equilibrium when you factor public health risks in. (Simply put, for you economic strangers: Cigs/alcohol cost society MUCH MORE for the govt than they are getting. Especially with govt/state healthcare assistance)
Although the soda thing is kind of idiotic(It cannot harm those around you, only the person who chose to do it. However, the same could be said about cocaine so that argument is useless)
How about we wait til Obama says something, then you can whine
Illegal immigrants and welfare rats cost society way more than cigs and alcohol ever will but you don't see him putting a new federal tax on tham do you?? NO!! In fact they all got 200 million more in food stamps under NOBAMA's so called "stimulus" plan!! I for one am sick and tired of paying for other people who are less fortune than me!! In fact I believe Rock and snowman are both more "fortunate" than me so they should have to buy me a new sled this year!! 
EDIT by SD:
I moved the quote signs to make it so that it did not look like snowman wrote your part.
No biggie, just helping clarify.
General in the Anti-Catsdouche06 army, saving the world from stupidity and inbreeding!
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July 9th 2009 at 2:34 PM
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SnowMan110
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Yeah.. tax people who require the aid of others to live a enjoyable life?
Trust me man, you'll go far with that brain of yours. Keep on truckin.
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July 9th 2009 at 2:50 PM
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Quote originally posted by SnowMan110
Yeah.. tax people who require the aid of others to live a enjoyable life?
Trust me man, you'll go far with that brain of yours. Keep on truckin.
Well you seem to want to defend Obama!! Thats the way he and the loony left think, those who are "fortunate" (employed and might actually have a goal in life) must give to those who are less "fortunate" (lazy, useless crack heads, and minorities)!! So, like I said, you and rock are more "fortunate" than I am, therefore you OWE me a new sled, just like Obama thinks I OWE the unfortunates a living!!
General in the Anti-Catsdouche06 army, saving the world from stupidity and inbreeding!
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July 9th 2009 at 3:34 PM
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SnowMan110
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Quote originally posted by ultrastud Quote originally posted by SnowMan110 Yeah.. tax people who require the aid of others to live a enjoyable life? Trust me man, you'll go far with that brain of yours. Keep on truckin. Well you seem to want to defend Obama!! Thats the way he and the loony left think, those who are "fortunate" (employed and might actually have a goal in life) must give to those who are less "fortunate" (lazy, useless crack heads, and minorities)!! So, like I said, you and rock are more "fortunate" than I am, therefore you OWE me a new sled, just like Obama thinks I OWE the unfortunates a living!! Your kind of ignorance is the kind that slows the growth of humanity down Your racism and prejudice is thinly veiled but easily spotted with a little eye magic. You know little of the socio-economic 'caste' system in the United States, or you would have left your post as the 'fortunate' vs the 'unfortunate', sans assumptions of what each one means in reality. Our very own people have been abandoned under the government's watch in both history and present. Take modern day Detroit for example. It used to have a great local economy, lots of well payed men in the auto industry. Well, the Detroit auto industry (and local economy) got bufu'd by corporate pigs that couldn't handle their own business when a union got involved. After some failed attempts to fix Detroit by "fixing" the auto industry... the government practically gave up on the people there. Detroit is now described as a barren wasteland, filled with crime and poverty. Yes, it went from middle class city to ghetto. Sure, the govt bought GM and all of its assets, but we'll see what becomes of that. And for the love of all that is good, don't point fingers at Obama - it is hardly his call there. So please save your nightmarish projections of what you _think_ Obama is going to do. Most of the **** you're crying about is completely theoretical bipartisan mud slinging ANYWAYS p.s. i'm not defending obama, I'm just defending logic here.. Which you are assaulting so viciously
Epic.
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July 9th 2009 at 3:43 PM
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Rock
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I think most Intellegent people can see we as a society have been sold out by both side's.
The dem's want to protect the poor and the repubs protect the Interest's of the rich and BIG bussiness.
I really thought Obama was going to help the middle class but yet again we were sold out by empty promises and Political retoric!
I doubt I make more than you Ultra, Your the one driving around in $50,000 truck! mabe you should buy me a new sled!
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July 9th 2009 at 4:11 PM
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Quote originally posted by SnowMan110
Your racism and prejudice is thinly veiled but easily spotted with a little eye magic. I saw no racism mentioned.
and Rock,
I do agree on this point, we have been sold out by both sides.
Now my take:
It's true that I am a republican because I'm registered that way, but I do vote the issues as they stand, no matter who wrote them.
Normally that vote turns out on the republican side because I do believe in less taxes and less big govt control, but not always.
It's far better to use my head for something other than a place for one of my helmets.
I think Obama lied about everything he thought we wanted to hear, and we, collectively as Americans, ate it right up.
We all got screwed. Some of us just had sence enough to vote against him. lol.
I'd rather have had a better choice than McCain as well, but did see him as the lesser of 2 poor choices simply because I see him as being more honest than Obama.
Now about new sleds for the less fortunate,
Can I get a turbo with mine?
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Please explain your so called "logic" snowman!! Your logic has shown that by transforming welfare from a helping hand to a lifestyle you get what we have today, MILLIONS of people who think others OWE them a living, plain and simple!! Detroit is living (well dying) proof of what happens when a union gets greedy and corporations are run by the so called educated!! You want another example of union greed and stupidity? PITTSBURGH PA!! Or did the gov't ruin the steel industry in this country too? Have you ever been to Detroit or Pitt? I have!! The gov't didn't ruin either town or industry, STUPIDITY AND GREED DID!!
As far as your racial and predujudice statement...TYPICAL of a liberal whos never had to drive thru a ghetto!!!!
And I don't have to make nightmarish predictions about what Obama wants to do or is going to do...the nightmare is already here!! Quote originally posted by Rock
I think most Intellegent people can see we as a society have been sold out by both side's.
The dem's want to protect the poor and the repubs protect the Interest's of the rich and BIG bussiness.
I really thought Obama was going to help the middle class but yet again we were sold out by empty promises and Political retoric!
I doubt I make more than you Ultra, Your the one driving around in $50,000 truck! mabe you should buy me a new sled!
You see rock we agree on something...we have been sold out by BOTH parties!! Sadly because of blind ignorance like snowmans, we'll never have a viable 3rd party in this country!! We'll just keep having people who refuse to THINK for themselves and keep being led around like sheep!!!
I also believe student driver is more fortunate than more I am and owes me alot of parts!!!! 
I also happen to agree with student driver that McCain probably was the lessor of two evils but thats what we get in a 2 party system!!
General in the Anti-Catsdouche06 army, saving the world from stupidity and inbreeding!
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July 9th 2009 at 4:53 PM
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SnowMan110
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Quote originally posted by ultrastud
Please explain your so called "logic" snowman!! Your logic has shown that by transforming welfare from a helping hand to a lifestyle you get what we have today, MILLIONS of people who think others OWE them a living, plain and simple!! Detroit is living (well dying) proof of what happens when a union gets greedy and corporations are run by the so called educated!! You want another example of union greed and stupidity? PITTSBURGH PA!! Or did the gov't ruin the steel industry in this country too? Have you ever been to Detroit or Pitt? I have!! The gov't didn't ruin either town or industry, STUPIDITY AND GREED DID!!
As far as your racial and predujudice statement...TYPICAL of a liberal whos never had to drive thru a ghetto!!!!
And I don't have to make nightmarish predictions about what Obama wants to do or is going to do...the nightmare is already here!!
Quote originally posted by Rock
I think most Intellegent people can see we as a society have been sold out by both side's.
The dem's want to protect the poor and the repubs protect the Interest's of the rich and BIG bussiness.
I really thought Obama was going to help the middle class but yet again we were sold out by empty promises and Political retoric!
I doubt I make more than you Ultra, Your the one driving around in $50,000 truck! mabe you should buy me a new sled!
You see rock we agree on something...we have been sold out by BOTH parties!! Sadly because of blind ignorance like snowmans, we'll never have a viable 3rd party in this country!! We'll just keep having people who refuse to THINK for themselves and keep being led around like sheep!!!
I also believe student driver is more fortunate than more I am and owes me alot of parts!!!!
I also happen to agree with student driver that McCain probably was the lessor of two evils but thats what we get in a 2 party system!!
Bwahaha!
People on welfare have to prove, with many documents, that they need it. I would know this, seeing as how I have a brother who nearly relies on federal assistance to survive because his profession (carpentry) has gone so sketchy that his job safety is near zero without a union or labor laws backing him up. Sorry, but thats a fact you're going to have to face. Its capitalism. You may not realize it, but your boss doesn't care about your job, he cares about his wallet. If he doesn't have any incentive (legal or otherwise) to keep you around, he wont. My brother is very good at his profession, and still has trouble keeping stable work in MN.
P.S. Union "greed and stupidity?"
do some research pal. Check out why unions ever existed.
McCain wanted to further the perversion of innocent countries in the middle east, so I'm going to disagree there.
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July 9th 2009 at 4:55 PM
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There is nothing more satisfying than speed. Speed is addictive, remember you can only go faster.
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July 9th 2009 at 5:05 PM
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Rock
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Quote originally posted by TUGHILLfever
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Can you reply with a common sense post?
If not go away!
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July 9th 2009 at 5:13 PM
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SnowMan110
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Also, I'm an anarchist, but I feel strongly against people living in fear of the government, regardless of who is in charge.
Thats why I try so hard to discharge all the strange and twisted beliefs being passed around..
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July 9th 2009 at 6:00 PM
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Rock
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As long as welfare was brought up I thought I would post were the MN welfare dollars are being spent:
Thats alot of money being spent in other states, these welfare people really get around!
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