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DONT BUY YAMAHA
- THEY BURNUP
started by bikerjoe89
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July 27th 2009 at 8:02 PM
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flashgordon
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that would burn me up. I'd be on them like a fat kid on smarties. keep us posted as I am going to buy a new sled and i would like to know what Yammie will do for you.
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July 27th 2009 at 8:54 PM
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bikerjoe89
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it was completely stock other than a paddle track. The night it burnt up i was just taking a trail ride i was about 5 to 10 miles in when this happened
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July 27th 2009 at 9:04 PM
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^^^
With that and the rest of this thread in mind,
It's going to boil down to the dealer you got the sled from and if you bought it new or used.
New from a reputable dealer, it should be covered by warranty with no problem.
Less than reputable dealer or used with non-transferable warranty, then there will be problems getting it covered.
I do know that Yamaha Corperate is good and reputable, but the service you get does not come from them.
It comes from the dealer.
Just something to keep in mind.
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July 28th 2009 at 9:49 AM
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Dekk85
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Quote originally posted by YamahaRider34
Yamaha actually is number one in everything
Do you got any proof on that?
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July 28th 2009 at 7:22 PM
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SRXSRULE
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Quote originally posted by Dekk85
Quote originally posted by YamahaRider34
Yamaha actually is number one in everything
Do you got any proof on that?
True or not, arguing if Yamaha is number one isn't what this thread is about, being in the Yamaha section of course it will be biased. I still don't believe that this sled burnt to the ground in stock form.
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July 29th 2009 at 5:19 PM
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srxfig
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Bottom line if they (Yamaha) won't help you, time to engage the services of an lawyer if you feel you are "in the right." I'm not saying you are, I know none of the details, but if there is a "known" flaw that causes these machine to catch fire, it sounds to me like you have a very good case. Moreover, if YOU too were on fire, that's worth something in the eyes of a court I'm sure. Furthermore, the dealer I highly doubt has the latitude or autonomy to "give" you a new sled. They could only be a liaison to corporate.
Remember that little issue Ford Motor Company had with their Firestone tires? Yamaha is simply a corporation and like any other is looking out for their own interests. They run the numbers and punt. Your life is worth $XXXX in a lawsuit. So if they expect only a few people to die, or be injured as a result of a flaw, they might not fix it, or compensate those who've been on the receiving end of problem.
No matter what the circumstances, it sucks. And who the hell is your insurance company because they TOO suck!
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July 29th 2009 at 6:13 PM
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YamahaRider34
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Quote originally posted by SXMTX
Quote originally posted by YamahaRider34
Quote originally posted by SXMTX
Who the hell are you to say yamahas suck, **** you
Yamaha actually is number one in about everything so dont listen to this queaf
are you callin me a qeef or the other guy
Other guy
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July 29th 2009 at 7:21 PM
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teamarctic14
i have a go sled not a show sled
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thats why i carry a fire extinguisher
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July 29th 2009 at 8:24 PM
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pigboy
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I for one will never buy another yamaha product, ever, after reading this. 
I reject your reality and substitute my own. 
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July 29th 2009 at 8:41 PM
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bikerjoe89
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Quote originally posted by teamarctic14
thats why i carry a fire extinguisher
I highly doubt a fire extinguisher could have stopped this fire it went like straight to the gas tank in the time it took me to put the fire out on my body and yes I am now contacting an attorney njust trying to make as strong of case as possible with these threads
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July 29th 2009 at 8:41 PM
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YamahaRider34
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Quote originally posted by pigboy
I for one will never buy another yamaha product, ever, after reading this.
Its one person bud. Dont judge off one. Not being mean just saying
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July 29th 2009 at 9:44 PM
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teamarctic14
i have a go sled not a show sled
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Quote originally posted by YamahaRider34
Quote originally posted by pigboy
I for one will never buy another yamaha product, ever, after reading this.
Its one person bud. Dont judge off one. Not being mean just saying
it not just one many of these sleds have been doing this and yes ur right i prolly wouldnt have had time to put it out on somthing like that but i mean say ur cowl or somthing goes up in flames u know what im getting at
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July 30th 2009 at 9:18 AM
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XLT96rider
Other sports play once a week, but this sport is with us every day.
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I've read through the forum you had as a link...it sounds like many people are having a similar problem. You should try to find somebody that has put out the fire before it burned the whole thing up. Then maybe you can find a definite answer to the problem. It's kind of hard to tell when the whole thing is just a pile of toasted metal. If you are going to take it to court, you need hard evidence, not hearsay. A judge will just dismiss it if your facts are not in line, and Yamaha will just give you a cold shoulder.
Good luck!!
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July 30th 2009 at 11:12 AM
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SXMTX
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I think biker joe just wants attention
1999 sx 600 MM suspension
cobra windshield challenger 141 track
bender race can slp skis,billet gas cap,billet recoil handle.
Big bore kit from hauck 160 horses
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July 30th 2009 at 11:36 AM
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teamarctic14
i have a go sled not a show sled
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Quote originally posted by SXMTX
I think biker joe just wants attention
i would be ripping too if i happend to me. altho i dont get why there wasnt full coverage on it
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July 30th 2009 at 11:45 AM
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SRXSRULE
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Quote originally posted by pigboy
I for one will never buy another yamaha product, ever, after reading this.
Any sled can catch fire. I saw to sleds catch fire this year for the same reason. They were both Polaris sleds, one a classic touring and the other was an xc 600 from around the same year (edge chassis). They both caught fire because of an overflow at the gas station. Overflow leaked out on to the hot exhaust and it caught fire instantly. A guy we ride with has had a lot of polaris', at least 5 in the same chassis and has had the same problem before. Not saying Yamaha's don't catch fire but i've seen at least one of every brand burnt to the ground. I watched an old Phazer II burn on the side of the trail, by the time I saw it I could barely tell what it was.
Quote originally posted by SXMTX
I think biker joe just wants attention
I agree as I have not seen pictures of his personal phazer burnt, only pictures of others.
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July 30th 2009 at 12:41 PM
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07Phazer
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Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
I've read through the forum you had as a link...it sounds like many people are having a similar problem.
I'm still not convinced that this is as widespread is it's being made to look. Especially when you look at the recalls Yamaha has already done on the Phazers, at least whats been done to mine.
1st recall: Major issue was the steering linkage has a retaining pin on some of the nuts that MAY have the possibility of falling out. Other fixes: New rivets on the air filter hold-downs, new plastic panels by the seat to keep my legs dryer, a new emblem on the hood cover, and some snow diverters to keep snow from getting packed into the steering linkage area.
2nd recall: Major issue was hard starting in the cold. Some people reported that the engine took longer to fire when the engine was cold. The fix: brand new re-flashed computer and new, lower spring rate decompression valve springs (Which are located inside the head, under the valve covers).
I think there may have been one more for the reversing system, but I don't have reverse, so I have no details.
So Yamaha has spent the time and money to issue recalls, and to pay the dealers to do the following work:
1. Replace some cotter pins in the steering system, even though no cases were reported.
2. Replace rivets on the air filter hold downs (This was actually a good fix)
3. Stick on a new emblem because the old one fell off
4. Drill holes in my tunnel and install worthless plastic panels because some people were getting wet legs
5. Install some sort of snow guarding on the steering system
6. Install a brand new computer (Not just re-flash the one that's on there)
7. Pull the motor and install the new decompression valve springs
Yamaha has issued recalls on some pretty nit-picky stuff on this sled, but there is no recall to keep them from burning down? About 3 or 4 months after I started reading about the hard starting problem some people were having, I got a call from my dealer saying that there was a recall to fix it (I didn't have a starting problem, but I got it done anyway, and now I get better gas mileage). So I'm finding it hard to believe this is a widespread epidemic involving design flaws and cover-ups.
Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
You should try to find somebody that has put out the fire before it burned the whole thing up. Then maybe you can find a definite answer to the problem.
Exactly. There are others who have posted about Phazer fires on TY, but only one person that I've noticed who has posted a decently documented recollection of what happened. He also had a large group of people witness what happened. He admitted that he installed a turbo on his Phazer, that it wasn't possible to distinguish whether the sled or the turbo was the cause, and walked away from it.
Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
It's kind of hard to tell when the whole thing is just a pile of toasted metal. If you are going to take it to court, you need hard evidence, not hearsay. A judge will just dismiss it if your facts are not in line, and Yamaha will just give you a cold shoulder.
Agreed. If the only evidence available is a melted tangle of metal, how can you really expect a company to just say "Oh, here's a new ___"? You're going to need police reports, fire department inspections, detailed and signed accounts of witnesses involved, dealership inspections and opinions, every single receipt of every part you put on there, proof of strict adherence to the maintenance schedule, etc. from every person that you are trying to claim has had the same problem as you, as well as yourself. I know times are changing, but getting people to say "Hey, mine burned down too!" on an internet forum is not proof. Taking Yamaha to court is going to be very expensive (and could potentially backfire if they wanted to go after you for starting topics like "Don't buy Yamaha, they burn up."), and will pretty much guarantee that any communication or help you are trying to get through Yamaha will stop immediately.
The OP said before that the sled was insured, but didn't get the full amount. Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to just get the rest of the money from the insurance company, pay off the loan, and start over?
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July 30th 2009 at 12:44 PM
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YamahaRider34
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Quote originally posted by 07Phazer
Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
I've read through the forum you had as a link...it sounds like many people are having a similar problem.
I'm still not convinced that this is as widespread is it's being made to look. Especially when you look at the recalls Yamaha has already done on the Phazers, at least whats been done to mine.
1st recall: Major issue was the steering linkage has a retaining pin on some of the nuts that MAY have the possibility of falling out. Other fixes: New rivets on the air filter hold-downs, new plastic panels by the seat to keep my legs dryer, a new emblem on the hood cover, and some snow diverters to keep snow from getting packed into the steering linkage area.
2nd recall: Major issue was hard starting in the cold. Some people reported that the engine took longer to fire when the engine was cold. The fix: brand new re-flashed computer and new, lower spring rate decompression valve springs (Which are located inside the head, under the valve covers).
I think there may have been one more for the reversing system, but I don't have reverse, so I have no details.
So Yamaha has spent the time and money to issue recalls, and to pay the dealers to do the following work:
1. Replace some cotter pins in the steering system, even though no cases were reported.
2. Replace rivets on the air filter hold downs (This was actually a good fix)
3. Stick on a new emblem because the old one fell off
4. Drill holes in my tunnel and install worthless plastic panels because some people were getting wet legs
5. Install some sort of snow guarding on the steering system
6. Install a brand new computer (Not just re-flash the one that's on there)
7. Pull the motor and install the new decompression valve springs
Yamaha has issued recalls on some pretty nit-picky stuff on this sled, but there is no recall to keep them from burning down? About 3 or 4 months after I started reading about the hard starting problem some people were having, I got a call from my dealer saying that there was a recall to fix it (I didn't have a starting problem, but I got it done anyway, and now I get better gas mileage). So I'm finding it hard to believe this is a widespread epidemic involving design flaws and cover-ups.
Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
You should try to find somebody that has put out the fire before it burned the whole thing up. Then maybe you can find a definite answer to the problem.
Exactly. There are others who have posted about Phazer fires on TY, but only one person that I've noticed who has posted a decently documented recollection of what happened. He also had a large group of people witness what happened. He admitted that he installed a turbo on his Phazer, that it wasn't possible to distinguish whether the sled or the turbo was the cause, and walked away from it.
Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
It's kind of hard to tell when the whole thing is just a pile of toasted metal. If you are going to take it to court, you need hard evidence, not hearsay. A judge will just dismiss it if your facts are not in line, and Yamaha will just give you a cold shoulder.
Agreed. If the only evidence available is a melted tangle of metal, how can you really expect a company to just say "Oh, here's a new ___"? You're going to need police reports, fire department inspections, detailed and signed accounts of witnesses involved, dealership inspections and opinions, every single receipt of every part you put on there, proof of strict adherence to the maintenance schedule, etc. from every person that you are trying to claim has had the same problem as you, as well as yourself. I know times are changing, but getting people to say "Hey, mine burned down too!" on an internet forum is not proof. Taking Yamaha to court is going to be very expensive (and could potentially backfire if they wanted to go after you for starting topics like "Don't buy Yamaha, they burn up."), and will pretty much guarantee that any communication or help you are trying to get through Yamaha will stop immediately.
The OP said before that the sled was insured, but didn't get the full amount. Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to just get the rest of the money from the insurance company, pay off the loan, and start over?
Waukesha? Nice man
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July 30th 2009 at 12:48 PM
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srxfig
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So Bikerjoe, who is your insurance company?
And these threads will NOT help your "case" one little bit.
Find a decent, product liability attorney if you really do have a "case" and go from there. This is just a soundboard for you to spout off about your unhappiness with the circumstance, which I would be too!
But it is quite strange to me that you are playing the victim with all of this. When I crashed my 2nd sled this past winter I walked away with plenty of money from my insurance company to make it like-new, or replace it if I so chose to and still have extra cash.
So give us the skinny on the insurance...you should be pissed at Yamaha (maybe) and for sure peeved with your insurance provider.
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July 30th 2009 at 12:52 PM
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pigboy
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Quote originally posted by YamahaRider34
Quote originally posted by pigboy
I for one will never buy another yamaha product, ever, after reading this.
Its one person bud. Dont judge off one. Not being mean just saying
Sorry too late. Bikerjoe has me quite convinced that all Yamaha products are junk. The evidence is overwhelming not to come to any other kind of conclusion.
I gave away my keyboard, smashed my stereo receiver with a sledgehammer, and am hoping to get maybe a few hundred dollars for my motorcycle.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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July 30th 2009 at 8:50 PM
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butcher_boy
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butcher_boy waiting for the rain to turn white.
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^^I'll give ya $200 for your v-max. granted you can promise it won't start on fire 
right
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July 31st 2009 at 7:41 PM
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bikerjoe89
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I see a lot of people telling me that I don't have the evidence. The fact is I do. I have police reports, witness's pictures of sled evidence. I have that evidence. But I don't have the time to sit and type out all my evidence and that is not the point of the threads. I made the threads to find more cases to try to collect more evidence. Which has worked but too many people are taking it in the wrong direction. I will answer any of the questions you ask but to type all the evidence almost seems pointless beings you guys are not the judge. But any questions feel free to ask.
As for the insurance situation. I'm looking more into that as well. I had the insurance through the bank I had the loan with. I figured it was full coverage since I was told you had to have full coverage on a loan.
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August 10th 2009 at 7:45 PM
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powder4intensity
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dont hate on yamaha... with what youve said so far you should have titled the thread
DON'T BUY SNOWMOBILES
boondocking or trail riding... why would you ask?
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August 11th 2009 at 3:18 PM
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ridingthe600edge
sleds are all polished up and waiting for snow!!!
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that sucks brother...but i think the truth is you were behind a polaris with hot a@@ exhaust and thats what started the fire
go after your insurance company,like already said, before you do that READ your policy first
2001 600 edge X almond spring on primary with 60gm wieghts, s&s rumble pack, gutted air box 6" woodys doolys carbides,196 woodys 1 1/4" studs
2009 600 IQ shift all stock still a virgin!! not for much longer
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August 11th 2009 at 7:07 PM
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Mad-Boondocker
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Quote originally posted by ridingthe600edge
that sucks brother...but i think the truth is you were behind a polaris with hot a@@ exhaust and thats what started the fire
go after your insurance company,like already said, before you do that READ your policy first
LMFAO
agreeing with everybody keep right on your insurance company ass about this do not let up
1998 Polaris Indy 500 chassis with 98 Xc 600 motor
SLP ceramic coated pipe with SLP can
V-force reeds
4 inch pivot riser
Gutted Air Box
EPI clutch kit soon to be installed
Maybe some pro tapers
1998 XC 700 water-cross sled
SLP twin pipes
Some light weight parts
Water-cross mods include taking the parts u do not need
This includes removing the seat replacing gas tank and IFS bars.
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