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Buying a sled - What are things that you look for, or push you away from a sled? started by sledcrusher
August 14th 2009 at 10:06 AM
 
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20 1/2. Seat is perfect, just needs a cover. OXYMORON


22. The custom exhaust gives it 3-5hp, when really its a cherrybomb from a truck thats been welded to fit your 440 race sled and you can seriously tell the difference ( It may be a 3-5hp change, but its not going up with the cherrybomb )


Aren't you the one who had the homemade cherrybomb on your snopro?


Exactly. Then I sold as "I noticed a power decrease while using these due to loss of back pressure, but if you want some serious noise for cheap from your 440, come buy this" and I made 40 bucks off of it.

Student Driver. In my area, it seems any aftermarket mod ( except for turbos and superchargers ), seriously lower the value of the sled, because it shows that its been tampered with in some way, but people think there $250 clutch kit, with the $100 installation makes them worth $450 more.




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August 14th 2009 at 10:50 AM  [ Modified August 14th 2009 at 10:57 AM ]
 
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Quote originally posted by sledcrusher


Student Driver. In my area, it seems any aftermarket mod ( except for turbos and superchargers ), seriously lower the value of the sled, because it shows that its been tampered with in some way, but people think there $250 clutch kit, with the $100 installation makes them worth $450 more.


It doesn't add any $450 to it's value. Never claimed it did.
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Doesn't raise the value, but definately doesn't lower the value either


You see a clutch kit as "tampered with"?
I have to disagree entirely. Propper clutching is a part of the machine's set up.
You clutch for the rider's weight and elevation as per every sled owner's manual printed since about 1996.

3 things that 99% of knowledgeable sled owners do, and/or the shops do before the sled ever leaves the shop when new.
Clutching for elevation and rider's weight,
Jetting for elevation and ambient temps (for carbed models)
and gearing for the sled to work and pull through the RPM range as it should.
It's called propper set up, and is NOT a mod.



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August 14th 2009 at 4:12 PM  [ Modified August 14th 2009 at 4:14 PM ]
 
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1 question,
Since all of this stuff is so bad,
Isn't this your post from another thread?
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My 440. Talk about a very very fun machine, but at 5-8mpg, and a 5 gallon tank, you couldn't stray to far from a gas station.

The best of both worlds. 440 race chassis ( firecat version though ), with a 700 efi engine in it. Rode it so long with no headlights or anything ( suspected a bad voltage regulator ) and it running like crap, until one day we were riding with my dads friend who rides arctic cat, and he looked under the hood and said "That's where your voltage regulator should be, let me see if I have my extra one with me", and sure enough, he did, and it ran great after that. But it was still an arctic cat. Sold it because I was fed up with breaking stuff snowmobiling.


Jumping the 440 and the 440/700


It looks to me like tall risers, hand guards, and standup riding on a sled......
Now I'm good with all of this, but how is it so bad when I see you doing it and having it all on your sleds?
I'm just a little confused by the mixed messages.



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August 14th 2009 at 4:15 PM
 
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Talk about one sled that had its ass handed to it.




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There's a lot of ads out there that give you heads up ahead of time before you even bother calling the person, or scams that people do to rip you off because they made it so you wouldn't notice it, etc.

1. Keep away from MOST machines with handguards.

2. Keep away from sleds with big risers and freestyle bars.



What's wrong with hand guards or risers?


That is a good question because most people do put on a 2 inch riser and hand guards.


Well, a lot, and I mean, A LOT of people don't buy handguards for how they work. Just for looks. As for risers, it means a stand-up rider was on it. Chances are, if it's got a decal kit, and tall bars, it's had a good beating done to it. And again, a lot of people like tall risers because they look cool. If you noticed, I said big risers. Say the person could use a 6" riser to be perfect, but they have a 9-10".


Yeah I disaggree with the bar riser and hand guard one as well. I added a bar riser to my ultra because every time I made a corner and hit a bump - which is like every other corner - the bars would move and smash me in the leg with the bar hook. After about 1500 miles of this I paid the 20 bucks for a 2" and would have to say its the best 20 bucks I've spent on the sled. As for the hand guards, I added them after the bar riser because after moving my hands 2" above the windshield, they not only got cold while riding, but became targets for rocks or ice chunks from the preceding sled. There for, I added hand guards to protect my hands.

Now you may say that I then am one of the few people that purchase these items with some lagitamacy, however thats not true either. Of the 35+ member of the snowmobile club I belong to, about 17 or so of us have these two mods for the same reason. Actually I'm beginning to notice more and more sleds on the trail with them and the majority of the machines look like the average sled.

I will agree with you though that a machine with these two items installed is a reason to ask questions. Like if your buying a 92 polaris in trail with a 6" riser, pro taper bars and powermadd handguards, I'd definately ask the sell WTF is going on here...



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Quote originally posted by sledcrusher

Talk about one sled that had its ass handed to it.


So you are agreeing with SD that you are sending out total mixed messages?




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August 14th 2009 at 10:51 PM  [ Modified August 14th 2009 at 11:05 PM ]
 
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This thread isn't really going anywhere, however we are bringing up valid points on buying sleds. My rant is if your breaking stuff on a cat your doing something wrong, I mean seriously I've jumped my zl, rode it in deep as heck powder, done tons of trail riding, my dads panther has been through just is much, and still things haven't broke. (end-rant). So we've come to the conclusion that a sled that has handguards and bar risers do not exactly mean that you should turn your back on a sled.



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Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
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Talk about one sled that had its ass handed to it.


So you are agreeing with SD that you are sending out total mixed messages?


I think that most sleds with risers and handguards in my area are beat to crap. I think that my SnoPro 440/700 was beat to crap, how is that a mixed message?




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August 14th 2009 at 11:37 PM  [ Modified August 14th 2009 at 11:47 PM ]
 
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Well from my point of view your point of view is off, you are basing all of your opinions based off of a small percentage of sleds(your riding area). The "mixed message" is that your sleds have handguards aswell as risers, but you say they usually mean a beat sled. Which I guess in the case of your sleds they are "beat", now you have to take into account that people(less/more idk) use them for for function. Now not to confuse a beat sled with a used sled, my zl was ridden very hard before I got it so I guess it was beat however it's in very good shape ie: shocks are in decent shape, seats in good shape, track is in good shape(6k miles), proper care and mantainence(sp?) also bring in a huge factor to buying a sled.



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Very true, but theres so many other parts of a sled that aren't visible that take the hit from wear and tear. The insides of a-arms, the bearings and joints on every part of the sled. If a sled has been pinned to the bar most of it's life, you don't know what the crank bearings look like, or what they're going to look like 10 miles from now. When you buy a used sled, there's always so many things that can go wrong at any time. Whether the previous owner knew about them, or not.

Most of the time, in my area ( should have said that before so I don't get first time sledders looking for advice reading it ), people that have handguards, a riser, a can, and decals do it so other people will watch them when they ride, they don't care about how it functions. The reason my snopro 440/700 has handguards on it was for the function. I got the sled with no handwarmers, and I had to order all the stuff for them, so while I was waiting for them ( they were on back order from gravity worx ), I went out and bought the handguards to save my hands as much as I could, because the choko gloves only do so good without handwarmers in -15 degree weather.




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Quote originally posted by sledcrusher

Talk about one sled that had its ass handed to it.


So what your saying is that you beat on your sled... That a kid



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pretty much everything you described in this topic is what BRP-4-LIFE used to be all about...oh wait...




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August 15th 2009 at 12:40 AM  [ Modified August 15th 2009 at 12:43 AM ]
 
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Quote originally posted by ddracing

pretty much everything you described in this topic is what BRP-4-LIFE used to be all about...oh wait...


Ive been thinking that since post #1.

And "sledcrusher-
I put handguards on my parents touring, and i think everyone would agreee that two 55 year old people, one with cancer and one never haven driven a sled, will most likely not destroy the sled.

But the handguards do this funny thing, i was wondering if you could help me out with it...........

They guard my hands from the wind!!!!


I know im talking like a jerk, but this kid is stirring up sh*t again!



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Well I think to replace the handguard/riser rule should be: if your unsure about a sled you are looking into don't be afraid to post up the sled in question to get our thoughts on it. Sledcrusher all your points are definetly valid, you never know how well the person before you that owned the sled took care of it.



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Back on topic...

#25. When the 1 pic of the sled is after a 12" snow fall and not brushed off




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26. In the picture the sled is outside sitting on the ground and there are weeds growing up all around it.




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You're an idiot, half of these reasons don't make sense.
Quote originally posted by sledcrusher

There's a lot of ads out there that give you heads up ahead of time before you even bother calling the person, or scams that people do to rip you off because they made it so you wouldn't notice it, etc.

1. Keep away from MOST machines with handguards.
Why? I have handguards on most of my toys, weather I need them or not? Your going to tell me that I shouldn't buy a sled because the person before me though handguards were asthetically pleasing? Ericks sleds must all be junk then.
2. Keep away from sleds with big risers and freestyle bars.
[color=redWhy? Most people that do that need them to ride like that, on my 600, I used to stick to trails, got my riser setup, and It made riding offtrail 500% easier, Being 6'1" and having to stand up on a stock height bar isn't fun, were not all 4' 100lbs sean.[/color=red]

3. Keep away from sleds that have big drop brackets in the rear for style, not ride.
These are all signs the sled has been beat.
I have NEVER seen a sled on craigslist or uncle henrys or anything with drop brackets, and if I was interested in buying it Id just take them off, your buying a used machine, go in the deal expecting the worse, what about the guy that rides the lake racing 800trip, he has none of these parts on but maybe he had the sled wfo the whole time, but it doesn't have handguards or a riser so im set to go!

4. Wehn da gramma of da adddddddddd lookss liek dis
Possibly an uneducated person making the ad
take advantage of the inbred retard and lowball him

5. PEOPLE THAT PUT CALL OR "TEXT"! This one seriously drives me away from ads. Teens ( usually ) spoiled with cellphones that their parents gave them, and want you to text because they really aren't very serious about selling their sled, just sort of putting out there.
I have that on all my adds, where I work (because I work, im not a spoiled brat) I can't always take a call, get a vibrate open it up and then just say "Will return call sometime tonight" I pay my phone bill, and I have friends that do too, seems like someones jealous that they don't have a phone. I hate the rich kids that go through 8 sleds in one winter.

6. People that have there 2000 Z 440 with 8000 miles, ripped track, and missing seat, and say mint condition, or $4000, or trade for snopro 440/900.
like you?

7. The most annoying ones. The ones that have a riser, fly bars, have flipped the wheels on the sled so it only shows the black side, have removed all decals, and went to their local fair and bought a bunch of fox, monster, vp fuel, amsoil, and dc stickers and just randomly plastered them all over their sled that they have for sale, and have the can drilled with holes all through it, and sell as "Very fast mod sled, trade for firecat, snopro 440, rev 440/800, or something worth equal value" when in reality, their sled they've put all these "mods" into, is just a 2001 Z 570 that has had the crap kicked out of it for the past 2000 miles, with super tail heavy landings, and many failed sidehill attempts.

Like you?

Thats how you got into the "trading industry:, and I call it this because you went through 8 sleds in one winter, posting, will trade for anything, im suprised you didn't put you're virginity on there, seems liek the only thing you can't get rid of.

8. Ads that say "2005 F7, Red" and that's the whole ad. No price. No number, just the craigslist email.
So because people don't have half a day to write up an add it makes the seller shady? I've done it a few times, Id rather have someone call me and talk about the sled then have a page long ad that people are more likely to pass on, email tag is annoying, I'd rather have people call me on it anyday.

Lets here what you hate. Next person start with #9 so we can get a big list together.



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Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
Quote originally posted by sledcrusher

Talk about one sled that had its ass handed to it.


So you are agreeing with SD that you are sending out total mixed messages?


I think that most sleds with risers and handguards in my area are beat to crap. I think that my SnoPro 440/700 was beat to crap, how is that a mixed message?



But you bought it? your a ****ing idiot. According to this list you've compiled, you shouldn't of bought it because handguards, riser and a punk 14yo jumping it.



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August 15th 2009 at 9:13 AM
 
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Hm. Some of the things you said aren't even worth arguing with. Handguards can be almost as bad as a bunch of stickers, going for the hopes that it will look good on their sled. Thus my reason for stating that. Almost every sled I've seen with handguards and a riser ( and the riser and handguards werent factory ), the sled has been obviously been beat ( it usually accompanies a crack in the hood or two, with the bent up back bumper ).

As for the drop brackets, I've seen SEVERAL sleds with them, and then you ask why the do it, and they say it enhances the ride. My friend bought a sled I told him not to get, and it had drop brackets. Wanna know why it had drop brackets, the rear suspension was blown out and they didnt want it to keep bottoming out.




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Ok, I know there's alot of pent up aggression towards this kid - and rightly so - but I think we need to settle down a little bit on the singling out and name calling; the forum does not need another BRP saga to unfold. I think we have every right to disaggree with his statements and even argue with him about them, but lets do so in a civilized manner, eh.



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Quote originally posted by SKYDE

Ok, I know there's alot of pent up aggression towards this kid - and rightly so - but I think we need to settle down a little bit on the singling out and name calling; the forum does not need another BRP saga to unfold. I think we have every right to disaggree with his statements and even argue with him about them, but lets do so in a civilized manner, eh.

correct sir, its now the sledcrusher saga.





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I was told along time ago by a dealer ,who told me if its a 800cc or bigger slash 50% of the price off right away reason most of them have been nothing but WOT down lakes there whole life ,besides various other problems



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Quote originally posted by sledcrusher



As for the drop brackets, I've seen SEVERAL sleds with them, and then you ask why the do it, and they say it enhances the ride. My friend bought a sled I told him not to get, and it had drop brackets. Wanna know why it had drop brackets, the rear suspension was blown out and they didnt want it to keep bottoming out.


You didn't check the rear suspension out? that shoulb be a given.

People should go buy the more obvious check over, tears, rips, cracks, compression test, look on the rails for egged out holes, does it start and idle fine? thats the check over when you buy a sled, not handguards or not, if handguards on a sled determine if you buy it or not your a ****ing idiot.

You have NOT changed sean.




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WOW some of you are real idiots who dont know that this is Brp-4-life just with a different name a duh. useless
Quote originally posted by Luke68Polaris

You're an idiot, half of these reasons don't make sense.
Quote originally posted by sledcrusher

There's a lot of ads out there that give you heads up ahead of time before you even bother calling the person, or scams that people do to rip you off because they made it so you wouldn't notice it, etc.

1. Keep away from MOST machines with handguards.
Why? I have handguards on most of my toys, weather I need them or not? Your going to tell me that I shouldn't buy a sled because the person before me though handguards were asthetically pleasing? Ericks sleds must all be junk then.
2. Keep away from sleds with big risers and freestyle bars.
[color=redWhy? Most people that do that need them to ride like that, on my 600, I used to stick to trails, got my riser setup, and It made riding offtrail 500% easier, Being 6'1" and having to stand up on a stock height bar isn't fun, were not all 4' 100lbs sean.[/color=red]

3. Keep away from sleds that have big drop brackets in the rear for style, not ride.
These are all signs the sled has been beat.
I have NEVER seen a sled on craigslist or uncle henrys or anything with drop brackets, and if I was interested in buying it Id just take them off, your buying a used machine, go in the deal expecting the worse, what about the guy that rides the lake racing 800trip, he has none of these parts on but maybe he had the sled wfo the whole time, but it doesn't have handguards or a riser so im set to go!

4. Wehn da gramma of da adddddddddd lookss liek dis
Possibly an uneducated person making the ad
take advantage of the inbred retard and lowball him

5. PEOPLE THAT PUT CALL OR "TEXT"! This one seriously drives me away from ads. Teens ( usually ) spoiled with cellphones that their parents gave them, and want you to text because they really aren't very serious about selling their sled, just sort of putting out there.
I have that on all my adds, where I work (because I work, im not a spoiled brat) I can't always take a call, get a vibrate open it up and then just say "Will return call sometime tonight" I pay my phone bill, and I have friends that do too, seems like someones jealous that they don't have a phone. I hate the rich kids that go through 8 sleds in one winter.

6. People that have there 2000 Z 440 with 8000 miles, ripped track, and missing seat, and say mint condition, or $4000, or trade for snopro 440/900.
like you?

7. The most annoying ones. The ones that have a riser, fly bars, have flipped the wheels on the sled so it only shows the black side, have removed all decals, and went to their local fair and bought a bunch of fox, monster, vp fuel, amsoil, and dc stickers and just randomly plastered them all over their sled that they have for sale, and have the can drilled with holes all through it, and sell as "Very fast mod sled, trade for firecat, snopro 440, rev 440/800, or something worth equal value" when in reality, their sled they've put all these "mods" into, is just a 2001 Z 570 that has had the crap kicked out of it for the past 2000 miles, with super tail heavy landings, and many failed sidehill attempts.

Like you?

Thats how you got into the "trading industry:, and I call it this because you went through 8 sleds in one winter, posting, will trade for anything, im suprised you didn't put you're virginity on there, seems liek the only thing you can't get rid of.

8. Ads that say "2005 F7, Red" and that's the whole ad. No price. No number, just the craigslist email.
So because people don't have half a day to write up an add it makes the seller shady? I've done it a few times, Id rather have someone call me and talk about the sled then have a page long ad that people are more likely to pass on, email tag is annoying, I'd rather have people call me on it anyday.

Lets here what you hate. Next person start with #9 so we can get a big list together.



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Talk about one sled that had its ass handed to it.


So you are agreeing with SD that you are sending out total mixed messages?


I think that most sleds with risers and handguards in my area are beat to crap. I think that my SnoPro 440/700 was beat to crap, how is that a mixed message?



But you bought it? your a ****ing idiot. According to this list you've compiled, you shouldn't of bought it because handguards, riser and a punk 14yo jumping it.


well said ol chap




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^^ yes very true



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triple650, you realize I've already made a post about the return of me, correct. You guys just have a hard time getting over things, which is why there becomes so much unneeded tension. A lot of you need to relax.




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