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New Ford SHO
- Erick here is a video for you
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I like!
http://www.fordvehicles.com/2010taurus/?...errer=http:// www.ford.com&glbcmp=ford|home
Erick - there is a video in there for you 
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Looks like they've finally gotten into using efficient, small, turbocharged engines... something the Europeans have been doing for decades . Regardless, it's a nice looking car!
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That thing is sick! My family owns 4 Tuarus and I have always liked the SHO! 0-60 in 5.2 is awesome! They say you can't hear the turbos (they say it even a little too quiet like you can't hear anything haha). The looks are great. The only thing I am a little dissapointed to read it theat the chassis doesn't handle that well and the brakes fade  . I still want one!
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Boosting a Duratec V6? In my mind, that could get ugly. But Ford is really surprising me on not cheaping out on the hardware for this car...
Two Watercooled GT15s making 12psi boost...which can probably be added on to with just a chip with 10:1 compresion and an electrontically controlled wastegate and external BOV.
Non-Sequential TTs, so apparently it has very little turbo lag.
Adding stiffer springs, anti-sway bars, and bigger rotors, along with even a bigger master cylinder for hard braking.
Adding a better preformace package with shorter gears, final drive ratio is 3.16:1, which will not do so hot for fuel economy, but will add acceleration power.
And AWD...But thats like the hot **** these days anyways.
Always liked the Yamaha SHO back in the day, should be interesting to see how this sells.
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At $42,000 I dont think it will be a top seller.......nice car and holds its own against the compitition in its class, but to expensive IMO.
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^ Cheaper than the Audi by what? 10-20 grand? Quote originally posted by erick Looks like they've finally gotten into using efficient, small, turbocharged engines... something the Europeans have been doing for decades . Regardless, it's a nice looking car! Hey, GM was the first to use a turbo in a car and an american was who refined the idea to work (idea was came up with by a swiss guy). Europeans steal technology from us daily :( But I know, we do not use turbo's in production on as many vehicles as foreign cars but superchargers we have been using for years. It is a damn sharp car
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Europeans weren't the first to use a turbo but it's been MUCH more mainstream for quite some time because of the how ridiculously high their fuel is taxed there. They've perfected it, including the use of many interesting setups, including twin charged super + turbo charged engines. It's not just Europe that steals technology from us, the whole world does. That's just how it goes. I'd rather see things be developed and perfected instead of locked in a box and never used by anyone other than who developed it though.
An Audi A4 (which is what this car really competes against) starts at $31,450. It has better brakes, better handling, and a better AWD system. It lacks in the power department though. So, they are similarly priced - advantages and disadvantages to each. I commend Ford for taking a step forward. When I buy a car it's much more than getting from point A to point B, it's the experience in-between. Ford (and other manufacturers) are finally starting to realize that. Quality and attention to detail = happy customers = return customers. If I were looking for a car in this category, this is definitely one that would be on my list of potentials.
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^^^This is were I differ from most, I look at a car as liability and not an asset. What I mean by that is a car rarely gains in value and I see no advantage to buying something that costs 20thousand more to get to the same place a cheaper car can get me too.
While the more expensive car probably has more thrill power and accessories, I dont see it as a must have.Just my .02!
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Quote originally posted by erick Europeans weren't the first to use a turbo but it's been MUCH more mainstream for quite some time because of the how ridiculously high their fuel is taxed there. They've perfected it, including the use of many interesting setups, including twin charged super + turbo charged engines. It's not just Europe that steals technology from us, the whole world does. That's just how it goes. I'd rather see things be developed and perfected instead of locked in a box and never used by anyone other than who developed it though. An Audi A4 (which is what this car really competes against) starts at $31,450. It has better brakes, better handling, and a better AWD system. It lacks in the power department though. So, they are similarly priced - advantages and disadvantages to each. I commend Ford for taking a step forward. When I buy a car it's much more than getting from point A to point B, it's the experience in-between. Ford (and other manufacturers) are finally starting to realize that. Quality and attention to detail = happy customers = return customers. If I were looking for a car in this category, this is definitely one that would be on my list of potentials. Curious why you think the AWD is better in the audi? The SHO has a Haldex viscous-type and from what read, the A4 also has a haldex, it allows 100% of the torque to go to the rear axle if conditions permit. "Starting with the Mk4 generation A4-platform, the viscous coupling has been dropped in favour of a Haldex Traction electro-hydraulic limited-slip "coupler" (LSC) or clutch"- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quattro_%28..._system%29BorgWarner supplies the turbo for the A4 (and other audi's I believe). I don't know if those turbos have the VTG or not but that is an interesting thing http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/products/vtg.aspx . Not related to this thread really but just being informative. That american company is perfecting and selling. I thought BW had something to do with the AWD in the audi's, I do not know much about them. Variable cam timing and chain.. yes, AWD, no hah. Halfway interesting link to components of the sho http://www.sae.org/mags/SVE/6636Oh and It appears the SHO is 37k (at ford.com), not 42 as previously stated
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Thats pretty cool, and its neat to see that American companies are starting to use a lot more technology, but if they were been smart they couldve built a high performance 6 cylinder diesel like the BMW 335d, that has 428 lb.-ft. of torque and gets 35 mpgs. I guess that diesels are "to dirty" or something that we cant use them. I love how all the gas cars are bragging about mid twenty mpgs as being amazing, while Mercedes diesels in the 80s got over 30 mpgs(which ive looked at buying). I guess im one of the few that think diesel is the answer. Diesels have been proven to make much more torque, be much more efficient, last much longer, be cleaner, but nobody talks about them. At least we are making some progress with gas motors.
Anyways GO FORD!!
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Quote originally posted by OhioPolarisKid
Thats pretty cool, and its neat to see that American companies are starting to use a lot more technology, but if they were been smart they couldve built a high performance 6 cylinder diesel like the BMW 335d, that has 428 lb.-ft. of torque and gets 35 mpgs. I guess that diesels are "to dirty" or something that we cant use them. I love how all the gas cars are bragging about mid twenty mpgs as being amazing, while Mercedes diesels in the 80s got over 30 mpgs(which ive looked at buying). I guess im one of the few that think diesel is the answer. Diesels have been proven to make much more torque, be much more efficient, last much longer, be cleaner, but nobody talks about them. At least we are making some progress with gas motors.
Anyways GO FORD!!
Good points, but isn't a diesel made to run, not on, off, on, off like a gas engine will do just fine? Or have they done something with the diesel to help with this?
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Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
Quote originally posted by OhioPolarisKid
Thats pretty cool, and its neat to see that American companies are starting to use a lot more technology, but if they were been smart they couldve built a high performance 6 cylinder diesel like the BMW 335d, that has 428 lb.-ft. of torque and gets 35 mpgs. I guess that diesels are "to dirty" or something that we cant use them. I love how all the gas cars are bragging about mid twenty mpgs as being amazing, while Mercedes diesels in the 80s got over 30 mpgs(which ive looked at buying). I guess im one of the few that think diesel is the answer. Diesels have been proven to make much more torque, be much more efficient, last much longer, be cleaner, but nobody talks about them. At least we are making some progress with gas motors.
Anyways GO FORD!!
Good points, but isn't a diesel made to run, not on, off, on, off like a gas engine will do just fine? Or have they done something with the diesel to help with this?
Diesels run just fine on and off, but they shine on running at their higher RPM for extended periods of time. i 100% agree that the future of cars and trucks lie in the diesel market.
ive owned 3 vehicles(sp?) and all have been diesel. i just got a new 2009 VW Jetta TDI and that thing blows my mind! for a 2.0 four cylinder that pushes 140hp and 240 torque. all at 40+ mpg in the city! Even my 93 crew cab long box 1-ton with the 6.5 gets about 20 on the highway and can pull more than i ever need to. diesels are a much simpler design than gas motors are all they need is fuel and air and they run for ever! the new BMW 335 is a really nice car and if i had the money i would already have one, but for the price, re-sale value and longevity of the TDI Jetta i had to go with that. But the new SHO is a sharp ride and crazy quick for a sedan. 
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^ My girlfriends cobalt has more HP than your car and is a 4 banger. She gets 36 mpg. Diesel costs more here than unleaded. I am sure the cobalt was much cheaper than a jetta tdi diesel too. Not saying your car is a bad car, just saying that there are others and the jetta isn't the messiah made for everyone.
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Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt
^ My girlfriends cobalt has more HP than your car and is a 4 banger. She gets 36 mpg. Diesel costs more here than unleaded. I am sure the cobalt was much cheaper than a jetta tdi diesel too. Not saying your car is a bad car, just saying that there are others and the jetta isn't the messiah made for everyone.
Very true, i looked at the newer cobalt SS and liked em' but they drop in value so quick its redicules(sp?) like the saturn ions do. the warrenty i got was 6 year 120000mi (also a nice bonus). Does she get 36 city or hwy? i can get 55 or so hyw depending on the roads and what not. i just like diesels because they put out awesome torque at low rpm, where gassers fall on their face.
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Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
Quote originally posted by OhioPolarisKid
Anyways GO FORD!!
Good points, but isn't a diesel made to run, not on, off, on, off like a gas engine will do just fine? Or have they done something with the diesel to help with this?
A diesel engine until warmed to operating temp doesn't fire the cleanest and can dilute the oil but a gas engine is pretty much the same case. The old days of fireing up a diesel and it pouring out smoke till it warmed up are gone now with all the technology controlling fueling and emissions. Americans are to dumb as we think diesels are just slow, noisy, leaking cars that as soon as it gets cold will stop running till spring and its all untrue but thats why diesel cars don't sell well over here. My next truck i'm hopeing will be a cummins, just sucks its in a dodge.
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Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
Quote originally posted by OhioPolarisKid
Thats pretty cool, and its neat to see that American companies are starting to use a lot more technology, but if they were been smart they couldve built a high performance 6 cylinder diesel like the BMW 335d, that has 428 lb.-ft. of torque and gets 35 mpgs. I guess that diesels are "to dirty" or something that we cant use them. I love how all the gas cars are bragging about mid twenty mpgs as being amazing, while Mercedes diesels in the 80s got over 30 mpgs(which ive looked at buying). I guess im one of the few that think diesel is the answer. Diesels have been proven to make much more torque, be much more efficient, last much longer, be cleaner, but nobody talks about them. At least we are making some progress with gas motors.
Anyways GO FORD!!
Good points, but isn't a diesel made to run, not on, off, on, off like a gas engine will do just fine? Or have they done something with the diesel to help with this?
There is a downside with the diesels ive been around. My dad has a 2003 Duramax, my brother has a 97 Powerstroke, and my sister-in-law has a 2005 or 06 Jeep Liberty CRD. When its cold we usually let the trucks warm up for 15-20 minutes because they run terribly cold, and plug them in every night. Espeically when its well below freezing. You should also let a gas motor warm up before you go. Once you stop and go to shut it off you should always let your EGTs drop below 300 degrees before turning it off, or you'll damage your turbo. Really you should do that with any turbocharged motor to protect it. But some people have turbo timers so they don't have to wait. Other then letting them warm up when they are cold, and letting them cool down before you shut them off its not much different then a gas motor. Heck, on my sister-in-laws Liberty you only have to wait on the glowplugs for like 2 seconds or a very brief period. But it blows away its gas siblings in about every category. Plus if you drive it easy for a while you build up soot in the exhaust, and then when you get on it hard you can smoke out anybody behind you. I love that diesel.
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^^ My TDI has that too, where if you drive it easy the carbon and soot build up and the light on the dash comes on. Then romp on it!
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Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt
Curious why you think the AWD is better in the audi? The SHO has a Haldex viscous-type and from what read, the A4 also has a haldex, it allows 100% of the torque to go to the rear axle if conditions permit. "Starting with the Mk4 generation A4-platform, the viscous coupling has been dropped in favour of a Haldex Traction electro-hydraulic limited-slip "coupler" (LSC) or clutch"- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quattro_%28..._system%29
BorgWarner supplies the turbo for the A4 (and other audi's I believe). I don't know if those turbos have the VTG or not but that is an interesting thing http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/products/vtg.aspx . Not related to this thread really but just being informative. That american company is perfecting and selling. I thought BW had something to do with the AWD in the audi's, I do not know much about them. Variable cam timing and chain.. yes, AWD, no hah.
Halfway interesting link to components of the sho http://www.sae.org/mags/SVE/6636
Oh and It appears the SHO is 37k (at ford.com), not 42 as previously stated
BorgWarner is the only turbo manufacturer that Audi uses, actually (as of last year from what I read). The k03 does not use VTG, but they are making a twin-scroll version that has 2 inlets for exhaust gas, making it really efficient and somewhat mimicing the aspects of having VTG without ridiculous costs involved. The 997 Turbo I think is the first non-diesel to have a turbo with VTG, and BorgWarner ripped the technology off of Garrett.
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^ I was not stating that borg invented it. I said they are refining it. I don't even know who invented it. I seen Garretts name come up on some searching but when looking at patents, the first one I can find about VTG came from Chrysler http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=8...dq=6637205
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August 19th 2009 at 8:28 PM
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the new SHOs look sweet except they have the gay ass turbos. they need superchargers in them like the Cobalts.
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Quote originally posted by polarisfreak08
the new SHOs look sweet except they have the gay ass turbos. they need superchargers in them like the Cobalts.
Comparing apples to oranges? SHO - close to 2 ton AWD luxury car, Cobalt SS - small 2 door FWD sports car?
Oh and did you know the latest Cobalt SS was suposed to have the same 2.0 that is in the GXP Solstice? that would be a 260 horse 2.0 TURBO!
Sorry, not that I don't like the supercharger whine or the instant boost, I just like the rush of my turbo... and the far greater power potential.
I do have to agree that it would be neat to see some more diesels. I mean if GM hadn't screwed up the image of diesel cars back in the late 70's and early 80's with the 4.3 and the 5.7 gassers converted to diesels, we could be right up with Europe. I mean you go there and the majority of vehicles are diesels!
On another note... Anyone watch season 13 of Top Gear? There's the Focus RS on one episode, it has the Volvo 5 cylinder turbo engine with 300 horse and an enormous amount of torque. All in a little 3 door hatch back.
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the gas mileage is even pretty decent for it.
that crazy
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Quote originally posted by Pance
Quote originally posted by polarisfreak08
the new SHOs look sweet except they have the gay ass turbos. they need superchargers in them like the Cobalts.
Comparing apples to oranges? SHO - close to 2 ton AWD luxury car, Cobalt SS - small 2 door FWD sports car?
Oh and did you know the latest Cobalt SS was suposed to have the same 2.0 that is in the GXP Solstice? that would be a 260 horse 2.0 TURBO!
Sorry, not that I don't like the supercharger whine or the instant boost, I just like the rush of my turbo... and the far greater power potential.
I do have to agree that it would be neat to see some more diesels. I mean if GM hadn't screwed up the image of diesel cars back in the late 70's and early 80's with the 4.3 and the 5.7 gassers converted to diesels, we could be right up with Europe. I mean you go there and the majority of vehicles are diesels!
On another note... Anyone watch season 13 of Top Gear? There's the Focus RS on one episode, it has the Volvo 5 cylinder turbo engine with 300 horse and an enormous amount of torque. All in a little 3 door hatch back.
i love top gear was that the one they drove thought the mall with the corvette chasing them
empty a bag of skittles in the toilet and flush it;s like watching a 5 second nascar race
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August 25th 2009 at 9:53 PM
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Pance
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^^^ no that was the Ford KA in the 12th season
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