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WHAT DOSE THIS MEAN?
- I start it up and its fine but when.....
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September 23rd 2009 at 4:14 PM
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muskovin30@yahoo.com
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I start it up and its fine but when i got to give it gas black stuff comes out of the exgust what could that mean?
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September 23rd 2009 at 4:28 PM
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is the engine warm when this happens?
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September 23rd 2009 at 4:41 PM
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muskovin30@yahoo.com
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yeah its warm
Quote originally posted by PrtclMn001
is the engine warm when this happens?
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September 23rd 2009 at 4:41 PM
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What do your plugs look like?
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September 23rd 2009 at 4:54 PM
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muskovin30@yahoo.com
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well the middle one and the brake side one look good but the clutch side is awful dark
Quote originally posted by KingPrat
What do your plugs look like?
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September 23rd 2009 at 5:01 PM
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Dark=rich. Is there a lot of carbon residue on them? Your storm obviously has 3 carbs, so my guess is one of them has a stuck float causing a very rich condition. Clean the carbs if you can and replace the plugs. That would be your best start.
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September 23rd 2009 at 5:07 PM
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muskovin30@yahoo.com
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yeah it looks like resadue. The cylender that its dark on is the cyclender that blew last time
Quote originally posted by 03Pro-X700
Dark=rich. Is there a lot of carbon residue on them? Your storm obviously has 3 carbs, so my guess is one of them has a stuck float causing a very rich condition. Clean the carbs if you can and replace the plugs. That would be your best start.
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September 23rd 2009 at 6:25 PM
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September 23rd 2009 at 6:32 PM
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Quote originally posted by muskovin30@yahoo.com
yeah it looks like resadue. The cylender that its dark on is the cyclender that blew last time
Quote originally posted by 03Pro-X700
Dark=rich. Is there a lot of carbon residue on them? Your storm obviously has 3 carbs, so my guess is one of them has a stuck float causing a very rich condition. Clean the carbs if you can and replace the plugs. That would be your best start.
My bet is that its a carb problem like i previously stated. Go through the carbs thoroughly and replace the plugs like i mentioned earlier.
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September 23rd 2009 at 6:45 PM
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First of all, it's nowhere near the temperature your sled is jetted for... It SHOULD be rich.
When you say the plugs are "ok" are they white or brown?
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September 23rd 2009 at 6:47 PM
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Quote originally posted by Ugly_old_Poo_kid First of all, it's nowhere near the temperature your sled is jetted for... It SHOULD be rich. When you say the plugs are "ok" are they white or brown? that still wouldn't explain why only one plug is completely dark. Its a carb problem, not temperature. Of course it will still be rich in hotter weather, but the plugs should all read similar, not one having a very noticeable difference over the other 2.
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September 23rd 2009 at 6:57 PM
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Sounds like your carbs need to be tuned
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September 23rd 2009 at 7:15 PM
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well they are closer to brown then white. but they are blackis and the drive side one is very dark.
Quote originally posted by Ugly_old_Poo_kid
First of all, it's nowhere near the temperature your sled is jetted for... It SHOULD be rich.
When you say the plugs are "ok" are they white or brown?
i did replace all three plugs right before i stared it up after a rebuid.
Quote originally posted by 03Pro-X700
Quote originally posted by muskovin30@yahoo.com
yeah it looks like resadue. The cylender that its dark on is the cyclender that blew last time
Quote originally posted by 03Pro-X700
Dark=rich. Is there a lot of carbon residue on them? Your storm obviously has 3 carbs, so my guess is one of them has a stuck float causing a very rich condition. Clean the carbs if you can and replace the plugs. That would be your best start.
My bet is that its a carb problem like i previously stated. Go through the carbs thoroughly and replace the plugs like i mentioned earlier.
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September 23rd 2009 at 7:31 PM
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Ok, listen, for the last time, go through the carbs!it is almost guarenteed to be a carb problem with only 1 cylinder showing signs of a problem. You will have to replace at the very least the one plug that is now most likely fouled out from a very rich condition. Do this and problem solved.
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September 23rd 2009 at 9:49 PM
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Quote originally posted by 03Pro-X700
Ok, listen, for the last time, go through the carbs!it is almost guarenteed to be a carb problem with only 1 cylinder showing signs of a problem. You will have to replace at the very least the one plug that is now most likely fouled out from a very rich condition. Do this and problem solved.
lol Clean the friggin carbs. Sorry, I wanted to yell too.  Hes right though. If that cylinder blew, there was an issue with it and its more than likely that its a fuel delivery issue. Now you still have a fuel delivery issue on the same cylinder. Def look into that carb cause it sounds pretty gummed up. Crap in there could plug up a jet causing it to blow. Same type of crap could also make a float stick and make it dump raw fuel into that cylinder. Take all your carbs off and clean them REAL good and run it again. Then let us know how you made out.
Good luck
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September 24th 2009 at 6:14 AM
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My God Man...listen to the guys... CLEAN YOUR CARBS!!! Sorry Had to yell at you too. You have been frustrating me through this whole thread.. ha ha ha
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September 24th 2009 at 6:28 AM
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Fruitport MI...why dont you wait until sundown like 830-900 when its a little cooler out when starting your sled? Starting it when its 75-80 out isnt going to tell you squot other than you have black plugs and it smokes.
Listen to everyone else on this thread and start by cleaning your carbs, sink them together. Next-wait for a cooler time of the day to really see anything different. Right now at 7:23am would be better than 70+ degrees out...unless your neighbors would mind lol
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September 24th 2009 at 8:42 AM
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The 2 seem alright, but you need to clean and adjust the PTO carb with the black plug. Might also need rejetting if you changed the bore on that cylinder.
When you rebuilt the engine, you didn't mix up the carbs did you?
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05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now..
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I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
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^^^^^That's is also a good question.
All three carbs are set up just a little different then the one next to it, and only set up for the clyinder they came off of. The closer to the clutch or PTO end of the engine the leaner it gets, the reason for this is that the engine moves on the motor mount as you give it throttle and it goes under "load". If all the clyinders where jetted the same it would work, but you would notice a performance lose. The leaner jetting in the other two clyinders causes those cylinders to make a little more hp to compinsate for the motor movement and makes the engine run better overall.
I would suggest taking all three off and cleaning them then get yourself a maintance manual for it and set the carbs up back to the stock settings for each clyinder, that way there won't be any question that you have the right carbs on the right cylinder and that everything should work properly.
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Quote originally posted by driftpounder
^^^^^That's is also a good question.
All three carbs are set up just a little different then the one next to it, and only set up for the clyinder they came off of. The closer to the clutch or PTO end of the engine the leaner it gets, the reason for this is that the engine moves on the motor mount as you give it throttle and it goes under "load". If all the clyinders where jetted the same it would work, but you would notice a performance lose. The leaner jetting in the other two clyinders causes those cylinders to make a little more hp to compinsate for the motor movement and makes the engine run better overall.
I would suggest taking all three off and cleaning them then get yourself a maintance manual for it and set the carbs up back to the stock settings for each clyinder, that way there won't be any question that you have the right carbs on the right cylinder and that everything should work properly.
Im pretty sure the motor shifting under load had nothing to do with why the pto side runs hotter. Usually its where the water inlet is. The closest cylinder to the water inlet runs coolest and farthest cylinder runs hottest. Someone correct me if Im wrong though.
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September 24th 2009 at 1:02 PM
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The motor torquing relates to clutch alignment, not jetting.
The jetting and the water outlets are specific per cylinder.. The smallest outlet gasket hole goes on the Recoil jug, the largest goes on the PTO.
Jetting varies by year.. What year is this motor again?
95 - Storm 800 - Modded - AKA: FrankenStorm - Totalled near 100mph at Tug Hill!
96 - XLT/SP with Storm 800 trip/trip and now EFI - FrankenStorm II lives...
95 - RXL -- Sale Pending --
05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now..
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It made me more compassionate, more empathetic, more nurturing...
I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
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Its a 95 storm. ok well i plan on takeing the carbs off and cleaning them really good iam a master mind at taken them apart and cleaning them. but my problem is tuneing them i dont kno jack about tuneing them. And i kno they are bored 40 over but iam pretty sure that its a stock jettting.
Quote originally posted by Ugly_old_Poo_kid
The motor torquing relates to clutch alignment, not jetting.
The jetting and the water outlets are specific per cylinder.. The smallest outlet gasket hole goes on the Recoil jug, the largest goes on the PTO.
Jetting varies by year.. What year is this motor again?
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September 24th 2009 at 8:46 PM
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ts a 95 storm. ok well i plan on takeing the carbs off and cleaning them really good iam a master mind at taken them apart and cleaning them. but my problem is tuneing them i dont kno jack about tuneing them. And i kno they are bored 40 over but iam pretty sure that its a stock jettting. [quote=originally posted by muskovin30@yahoo.com]
I start it up and its fine but when i got to give it gas black stuff comes out of the exgust what could that mean?
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September 24th 2009 at 9:15 PM
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Quote originally posted by muskovin30@yahoo.com
ts a 95 storm. ok well i plan on takeing the carbs off and cleaning them really good iam a master mind at taken them apart and cleaning them. but my problem is tuneing them i dont kno jack about tuneing them. And i kno they are bored 40 over but iam pretty sure that its a stock jettting. Quote originally posted by muskovin30@yahoo.com I start it up and its fine but when i got to give it gas black stuff comes out of the exgust what could that mean?   are you serisous after this whole thread you are asking this again.... 
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September 25th 2009 at 5:37 AM
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Quote originally posted by muskovin30@yahoo.com I start it up and its fine but when i got to give it gas black stuff comes out of the exgust what could that mean?
The black is from being too rich....
For reference:
Black smoke is too much fuel
Blue smoke is too much oil
White smoke is steam (either moisture in the fuel or anti-freeze leak)
Black plugs are too much (rich) fuel, or, rich oil and rich fuel
Grey ashy plugs are too rich oil and too little (lean) fuel
White plugs are too lean fuel, or lean fuel and lean oil
Cardboard brown dry plugs are good fuel and good oil
Cardboard brown wet plugs are good fuel and rich oil
95 - Storm 800 - Modded - AKA: FrankenStorm - Totalled near 100mph at Tug Hill!
96 - XLT/SP with Storm 800 trip/trip and now EFI - FrankenStorm II lives...
95 - RXL -- Sale Pending --
05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now..
---------------------------------------------
It made me more compassionate, more empathetic, more nurturing...
I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
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