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Polaris or Yamaha?
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September 23rd 2009 at 11:00 PM
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2002xc800
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Just sold the old sled (2002 xc 800 dynaport pipe,MBRP can). I am looking to upgrade to a newer sled. I would like to move to a 4 stroke sled. My step father has 2006 FST switchback that runs very very well. I was leaning towards that or maybe a yamaha apex. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks
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September 23rd 2009 at 11:21 PM
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Quote originally posted by 2002xc800
Just sold the old sled (2002 xc 800 dynaport pipe,MBRP can). I am looking to upgrade to a newer sled. I would like to move to a 4 stroke sled. My step father has 2006 FST switchback that runs very very well. I was leaning towards that or maybe a yamaha apex. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks
IF i were to ever go four-stroke, there would be no question, I would get a Yamaha. They are by far the most advanced out of all of the 4 strokes out and seem to just flat out, out preform the rest. A standard apex is alright, i ride with a couple of them, but i would look into an apex ltx which is the longer track version, or if your going to get used, look into an attack which is also a 136.
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September 23rd 2009 at 11:33 PM
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v-maxsledder
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^ like stated above apex ltx is the way to go.
Owning a race sled is like having a totally hot girlfriend..... All of your friends want to see it, feel it and check it out..... They all want to know what it is like to ride it, but if they only knew how much time and money it takes to keep one up, they would call you a fool!
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September 24th 2009 at 8:24 AM
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Dirty_Harry
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Apex.
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September 24th 2009 at 8:39 AM
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Ugly_old_Poo_kid
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I road an apex 136" and although it was REALLY FAST in a straight line, it absolutely SUCKED in tight twisty trails. In about 2 miles of tight trails I was wore the fook, out and went back to my own sled!
The front end is HEAVY, and if you're not hauling a$$ you feel it in every turn.
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September 24th 2009 at 1:07 PM
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Craig_Polaris
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The apex are nice but just really heavy, so just dont get it stuck in powder
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September 24th 2009 at 1:47 PM
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KRSS144
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^and make sure you have a lot of snow to cool the runners...been known to over heat, just FYI
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September 24th 2009 at 2:06 PM
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RMKcowboy
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The Polaris FST is a joke in my opinion... I had to ride one a few years back for work a few times. After 2-3 rides, I always made sure to go out and hitch up before anyone else got there so I could get the good sleds!
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September 24th 2009 at 2:18 PM
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teamarctic14
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i would go with the apex and they have a nice tone to them
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September 24th 2009 at 2:26 PM
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Ugly_old_Poo_kid
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Quote originally posted by RMKcowboy
The Polaris FST is a joke in my opinion... I had to ride one a few years back for work a few times. After 2-3 rides, I always made sure to go out and hitch up before anyone else got there so I could get the good sleds!
What do you do for a job, where you ride a snowmobile?
95 - Storm 800 - Modded - AKA: FrankenStorm - Totalled near 100mph at Tug Hill!
96 - XLT/SP with Storm 800 trip/trip and now EFI - FrankenStorm II lives...
95 - RXL -- Sale Pending --
05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now..
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It made me more compassionate, more empathetic, more nurturing...
I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
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September 24th 2009 at 4:31 PM
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Octane
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With the Apex the rear suspension is suspect. They are well known for the rear suspension breaking and for the idler wheels coming apart. Not to mention the hand/thumb wamers on the Apex are HORRIBLE.
IMO, the FSTs are just as good in terms of engine (as long as all the updates have been done) and the chassis/suspension performance and durability is much better.
Tough call. It would be easy to fall head over heels in love with the torque and sound of the Yamaha 4-banger, but the suspension and handwarmer issues would be a big concern for me.
Id have to go with the FST though. Just as much engine performance, no issues with the suspension and handwarmers that actually work.
There was a time when Yamaha was by far the best in 4-strokes, but not anymore.
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September 24th 2009 at 6:56 PM
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2002xc800
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Like I said before, my step father has a 2006 FST switchback. Last year i put about 700 miles on it and absolutely loved it. It blows my old sled (2002 xc 800 with a dyna port pipe and MBRP can.) outta the water, from outta the hole to wide open. It does feel alittle heavy but nothing that is uncontrolable. I rode a 2008 Nytro last winter and was disgusted. The quality was cheap and it was slow but fun in the twistys. I have heard alot of good things about the apexs so I was thinking about giving them a try. Thanks
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September 25th 2009 at 8:03 AM
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shady800x
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like what octane said, be prepared for broken suspensions and cold hands! (and a deep pocket for that matter) yamaha parts are expensive! about 1k for that rear mono shock! think about it, reliability or headache? your call. those apexs are indeed fast, only in a straight line, but in the twisties, get ready for a work out. also those things are a pain in the rear to get out in powder. helped some friends last winter taking them out. took nearly two hours to dig out of three feet of snow.
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September 25th 2009 at 8:20 AM
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shortstop20
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I would seriously look at the MXZ 1200 if I were in the market for a 4 stroke.
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September 25th 2009 at 10:59 AM
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Blecter
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Quote originally posted by shortstop20
I would seriously look at the MXZ 1200 if I were in the market for a 4 stroke.
X2. That's what I would do too (I'm not being brand loyal even though I ride a Doo; before Doo came out with their 4 Stroke I would have gone with a Yammie 4 Stroke if I was in the market for one, I just think that the MXZ 1200 is a better setup than the Yammies).
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September 25th 2009 at 1:17 PM
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Bulldog
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It depends on a lot of personal choices: Where you ride, How you ride, how deep is your pocket etc.
If i was asked the question, I would run with the Yamaha all day long. But that is because it fits "MY" needs.
If there was only one choice, choices would be easy. Don't ever settle for anything less, than you are willing to live with!
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September 25th 2009 at 1:24 PM
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sledcrusher
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If you can afford it, the new 1200 Ski-Doo ( Renegade for deeper snow, or the 1200 TNT ) and if not, then get a newer style ( not the dart box or whatever its called chassis ) Nytro. 130 hp and a great chassis imo.
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September 25th 2009 at 5:34 PM
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Octane
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Quote originally posted by shortstop20
I would seriously look at the MXZ 1200 if I were in the market for a 4 stroke.
The Doo hasnt got as much horsepower as the FST and Apex, it only puts out about 130 hp.
Quote originally posted by Blecter
X2. That's what I would do too (I'm not being brand loyal even though I ride a Doo; before Doo came out with their 4 Stroke I would have gone with a Yammie 4 Stroke if I was in the market for one, I just think that the MXZ 1200 is a better setup than the Yammies).
Id love to hear an explanation of why you think that MXZ 1200 is a better setup. The Doo is heavier and puts out less horsepower.
Im not trying to attack you or say your opinion is wrong, Im just curious as to why you think the Doo is better.
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Powermadd articulating bar riser with 2" riser block, Pro-X seat, Pure Polaris handguards with Pure Polaris handguard mounts, red Cobra low sno-x windshield, almond/blue primary spring with 10-60 weights and 121" x 15" x .91 track with 96 studs.
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September 25th 2009 at 6:15 PM
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OhioPolarisKid
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Quote originally posted by Craig_Polaris
The apex are nice but just really heavy, so just dont get it stuck in powder
Extremely true. We found that out the hard way. We had left Newberry and heading down one of the roads to Munising for the night.There was a foot or two of powder on the road, but it was getting dark so i couldnt play much since i had almost no lights. We come out to a clearing, and see a guy in the middle of the trail. There is at least six foot of snow drifted into the road. This guy followed his friend in it . His friend had a Mountain Cat, and he had a Apex. He saw he wasnt getting out so he turned around to get off of the snow. He buried it right there. It took 4 of us to get the thing untstuck. If we hadnt came along he wouldve probably been sitting there for the night without a sled. He said the one thing he didnt like about it was the weight. Other then that, the thing sounded awesome and didnt look to bad. I really wouldnt mind having one if it was set up more for powder and ditches. I also learned another thing, always have your cell phone on you with a full battery. One of the two guys didnt have a cell phone, so they had no way to contact each other. He didnt know if his friend had made it to the other side, or was stuck and buried the sled.
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September 26th 2009 at 1:14 PM
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Octane
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Quote originally posted by OhioPolarisKid
Extremely true. We found that out the hard way. We had left Newberry and heading down one of the roads to Munising for the night.There was a foot or two of powder on the road, but it was getting dark so i couldnt play much since i had almost no lights. We come out to a clearing, and see a guy in the middle of the trail. There is at least six foot of snow drifted into the road. This guy followed his friend in it . His friend had a Mountain Cat, and he had a Apex. He saw he wasnt getting out so he turned around to get off of the snow. He buried it right there. It took 4 of us to get the thing untstuck. If we hadnt came along he wouldve probably been sitting there for the night without a sled. He said the one thing he didnt like about it was the weight. Other then that, the thing sounded awesome and didnt look to bad. I really wouldnt mind having one if it was set up more for powder and ditches. I also learned another thing, always have your cell phone on you with a full battery. One of the two guys didnt have a cell phone, so they had no way to contact each other. He didnt know if his friend had made it to the other side, or was stuck and buried the sled.
That guy with the Apex should have known better than to try to go through 6' deep snow with a 121". Any shorttrack sled would have gotten stuck.
You are right about how it sucks when an Apex gets stuck. You almost need a tractor to get them out.
'01 Polaris Indy 600 XC SP EDGE XR
Powermadd articulating bar riser with 2" riser block, Pro-X seat, Pure Polaris handguards with Pure Polaris handguard mounts, red Cobra low sno-x windshield, almond/blue primary spring with 10-60 weights and 121" x 15" x .91 track with 96 studs.
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Citgo Sea and Snow oil
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September 26th 2009 at 1:41 PM
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Dirty_Harry
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All you need is a snowbungie gents.
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September 26th 2009 at 3:18 PM
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shortstop20
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Quote originally posted by Octane
Id love to hear an explanation of why you think that MXZ 1200 is a better setup. The Doo is heavier and puts out less horsepower.
Im not trying to attack you or say your opinion is wrong, Im just curious as to why you think the Doo is better.
The Doo 1200 is much lighter than either the Apex or the Nytro. The Doo 1200 is right around 500 pounds.
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September 26th 2009 at 3:58 PM
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kingofkings
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Quote originally posted by Octane
Quote originally posted by OhioPolarisKid
Extremely true. We found that out the hard way. We had left Newberry and heading down one of the roads to Munising for the night.There was a foot or two of powder on the road, but it was getting dark so i couldnt play much since i had almost no lights. We come out to a clearing, and see a guy in the middle of the trail. There is at least six foot of snow drifted into the road. This guy followed his friend in it . His friend had a Mountain Cat, and he had a Apex. He saw he wasnt getting out so he turned around to get off of the snow. He buried it right there. It took 4 of us to get the thing untstuck. If we hadnt came along he wouldve probably been sitting there for the night without a sled. He said the one thing he didnt like about it was the weight. Other then that, the thing sounded awesome and didnt look to bad. I really wouldnt mind having one if it was set up more for powder and ditches. I also learned another thing, always have your cell phone on you with a full battery. One of the two guys didnt have a cell phone, so they had no way to contact each other. He didnt know if his friend had made it to the other side, or was stuck and buried the sled.
Any shorttrack sled would have gotten stuck.
You are right about how it sucks when an Apex gets stuck. You almost need a tractor to get them out.
I don't blame him, I would have tried it with my sled as well but it's much lighter than the Apex
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September 27th 2009 at 8:38 AM
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PolarisBoy1996
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Personally, I am a Polaris guy but, I have always liked Yamaha too, My dad worked at a dealership in Reese's Corners, ON and he said their four stroke technology was advancing like no other and they were amazing sleds, so if you want to go first stroke I would just go with Yamaha because they have been into that stuff longer than Polaris and you probably have a better product, but if you suddenly want to go back to a two stroke, get a Polaris again! [:D} Cheers!
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1998 Ski-Doo Formula 380 - Mom's First
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September 27th 2009 at 2:55 PM
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SPITF1IRE
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I have a 2008 Yamaha Apex LTX, and it is the best sled I have ever owned It is a bit lighter then the Polaris FST switchback and has 10 more HP. I don't think their is a more reliable performance sled out there. Just put on a Bender exhaust last week and it sounds amazing!
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