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Engine problems
- Idle problem
started by Empire087
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October 1st 2009 at 1:52 PM
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Empire087
Dude wheres the snow?
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237 Posts 
Group: Members
Member Since: July 19th 2009
Location: Sault Ste Marie, Michigan
Current Sled: 2002 ZL 500
2008-2009 Miles: 475
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Ok this is weird, I've started my zl every week this summer, now I went to start it yesterday and it idled incredibly low sub 200 rpms(procedes to get lower and lower) then just shuts off, when the week before it was idling normally. I noticed alot of smoke, what should I do? What's wrong with the engine?
I appreciate the help,
Dakota
02 ZL 500(apv)
91 jag afs 440
"if it snowed in the summer, I'd ride!"
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October 1st 2009 at 2:08 PM
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Sledman74
CANDU is the right choice for Ontarios Power needs
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115 Posts
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Location: Kitchener, ON, Canada
Current Sled: 2004 XC 800
2008-2009 Miles: 1100
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It might just be loaded up from all the idling
likely needs a good run to burn off all the fuel and oil in the crankcase
Toys Own and Owned
1985 Indy Trail 440 - sold with 7500 miles
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1995 Polaris SL 750 PWC
2000 Polaris Sportsman 500 ATV
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October 1st 2009 at 2:08 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
Updated Yesterday at 10:49 PM
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Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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fuel old or it's loaded up, high humidity in the air?
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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October 1st 2009 at 2:27 PM
[ Modified October 1st 2009 at 2:32 PM
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Empire087
Dude wheres the snow?
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237 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 19th 2009
Location: Sault Ste Marie, Michigan
Current Sled: 2002 ZL 500
2008-2009 Miles: 475
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Nope, pretty dry. I'm changing plugs, and sending seafoam through it before the season. Its last seasons gas, put stabil in it though.
02 ZL 500(apv)
91 jag afs 440
"if it snowed in the summer, I'd ride!"
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October 1st 2009 at 2:42 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
Updated Yesterday at 10:49 PM
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12585 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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Lately I havn't had good luck with stabil red. SO I have been using the blue/green ethanol formula. WE'll have to see how that works.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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October 1st 2009 at 2:45 PM
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sgemt
Junior Member
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Quote originally posted by Empire087
Nope, pretty dry. I'm changing plugs, and sending seafoam through it before the season. Its last seasons gas, put stabil in it though.
Syphon that old stale fuel out of it!! Stabil sucks and doesn't do nearly s good a job as Seafoam, however, you'll be adding Seafoam to degraded fuel and that's not good. Do the sled a favor and just get rid of that tank of fuel. Then run it for a bit getting it good and warmed up. Don't just let it sit and idle, but vary the rpm's a bit. New plugs and new fuel should make a difference.
Patiently waiting for the new sled to arrive!! 2010 Skidoo G/T LE 600 HO ETEC
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October 1st 2009 at 2:51 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
Updated Yesterday at 10:49 PM
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12585 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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Not so sure about seafoam and ethanol. I have seen alot of carbs lately with etched throats and corrision/pits on them. Owners swear by sea foam.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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October 1st 2009 at 3:59 PM
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700wildcat
Official Heat Hater.
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159 Posts
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Member Since: January 2nd 2009
Location: Hazelton, North Dakota, USA
Current Sled: '08 Arctic Cat M8 153"
2008-2009 Miles: 1100
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Have someone hold up the rear of the sled or use a track stand so you can run the track and get the motor warmed up really good to burn off exess gas and oil. The plugs might have fouled out if you didn't run it very much when you start it weekly. When I start my dads and my sled up I usually try to run the track so they don't get loaded up and foul the plugs
2008 Arctic cat M8 153''Stock >current
1996 Arctic cat Wildcat 700 136x2x15 challenger finger track, 3'' riser, Powermadd mountain bar.sold
1980 Arctic cat Jag 3000. sold
Dad's
2003 Arctic Cat Mountain cat 800 144''.
1999 Arctic Cat Powder Special 500. sold
2000 Polaris Indy 550 Trail.
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October 1st 2009 at 5:50 PM
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Empire087
Dude wheres the snow?
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237 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 19th 2009
Location: Sault Ste Marie, Michigan
Current Sled: 2002 ZL 500
2008-2009 Miles: 475
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How long should I run it for to get it warmed up? At what rpm? My clutch engages at around 4 k.
02 ZL 500(apv)
91 jag afs 440
"if it snowed in the summer, I'd ride!"
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October 1st 2009 at 7:36 PM
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03Pro-X700
Senior Member
03Pro-X700 wants to get rid of my cdi, tach, wiring harness, and old cover. PM if interested.
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Member Since: December 13th 2003
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 2003 Pro-X 700 144"
2008-2009 Miles: 860
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Generally until the heat exchangers are warm, thats a good sign of the engine being close to if not at operating temperature. Run the sled as if you were driving it. Put it on a stand however, there are some horror stories with tracks letting loose or something going wrong and people getting seriously injured. Anyways, rev the sled, don't sit there and hold it to the bar, but rev it well over 4,000 rpms.
2003 pro-x 700;
TracksUSA 144" tip-up rail extensions
1.25 camoplast predator /120 1.40' extreme max SS studs
VanAmburg tunnel extension
SLP Powder-Pro skis, Powder-Coated suspension
Holtzman tempaflow-420 main jets
10-64g weights w/ round almond spring
24/42 gearing, gutted airbox, PERC, torque arm
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October 1st 2009 at 7:40 PM
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snowdad4
New Member
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Location: wa, USA
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let it run and put your hand under the exhaust outlet. keep the rpm's up to about 2500-3000. when you feel the exhaust start to warm up, your motor is getting warm. let it run a little longer, but make sure your temp light doesnt come on(dont over run it). its kind of a learned process,to feel the heat, not too much heat. running a sled and shutting it off without reaching operating temp,is asking for trouble.
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October 1st 2009 at 9:38 PM
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The_Mad_Warrior
Gate Attendant
The_Mad_Warrior is a laid off bum.
Updated Wednesday at 9:59 PM
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Member Since: February 2nd 2006
Location: Madawaska, Ontario, Canada
Current Sled: 1997 MXZ 670
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Before I read further into this as anyone thought of a really easy possibility? Its getting close to winter. Mice,rats,squirrels,chjipmunks are looking for a place to sleep. Sure running it and holding it wqide open is a great idea if you wanna take a chance. Check some stuff out first I say. Only takes a day for a chipmunk to fill up your air box with little goodies. I wouldnt just run it and hope for the best. Check some stuff out. Maybe even the exhaust is plugged up? I dunno but all these solutions sound like a great way to blow it up for a simple taking off your airbox solution.
Thats my opinion. Blew up my MXZ in a matter of like 30-45 minutes because I thought "Hey one ride b4 cleaning the carbs will be fine" Well...it wasnt.
And I dont need negative feed back. Any opinions are fine so dont make fun of mine.
If you cant fix it with duct tape, tylnol, or band aids your screwed.
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October 1st 2009 at 9:44 PM
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XLT96rider
Other sports play once a week, but this sport is with us every day.
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943 Posts 
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Member Since: January 7th 2009
Location: Wausau, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 1996 Polaris XLT Special
2008-2009 Miles: 1000+
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^ Good idea, those pesky rodents seem to get into everything. 30 minutes of work is waaaay cheaper than a rebuild.
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October 1st 2009 at 9:56 PM
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The_Mad_Warrior
Gate Attendant
The_Mad_Warrior is a laid off bum.
Updated Wednesday at 9:59 PM
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1466 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 2nd 2006
Location: Madawaska, Ontario, Canada
Current Sled: 1997 MXZ 670
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lol thanks I was nervous writing that actually because thought people would get mad.
If you cant fix it with duct tape, tylnol, or band aids your screwed.
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October 2nd 2009 at 7:21 AM
[ Modified October 2nd 2009 at 7:29 AM
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Empire087
Dude wheres the snow?
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237 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 19th 2009
Location: Sault Ste Marie, Michigan
Current Sled: 2002 ZL 500
2008-2009 Miles: 475
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It's been stored inside, but I'll take a look at it tonight. I'll also make a video just to make sure I was clear enough.
So check:
The airbox,
Then take the exaust pipe off, then make sure it's clear?
02 ZL 500(apv)
91 jag afs 440
"if it snowed in the summer, I'd ride!"
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October 2nd 2009 at 10:30 AM
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picman
Junior Member
picman is off to bag his buck. I hope. Skunked so far.
Updated Wednesday at 1:17 PM
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308 Posts
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Member Since: January 15th 2009
Location: Marinette, WI, USA
Current Sled: 1998 Polaris Ultra
2008-2009 Miles: 1145
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I like to put duct tape over my air box intake (I store the foam in the house) and the exhaust outlet. I know it is a bit of a pain to take it off each week but that way I just inspect the tape to determine if vermin have tried to make a next.
You can pull the exhaust and shake to see if there is anything inside. I saw or heard somewhere that some people have made small fires and put the exhaust into it to burn out the nest. Never had to do that so I can't comment if it works or not. I guess I would be concerned about overheating the exhaust.
Find the line between respect and fear....then flirt with it
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October 2nd 2009 at 4:34 PM
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The_Mad_Warrior
Gate Attendant
The_Mad_Warrior is a laid off bum.
Updated Wednesday at 9:59 PM
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1466 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 2nd 2006
Location: Madawaska, Ontario, Canada
Current Sled: 1997 MXZ 670
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Quote originally posted by Empire087
It's been stored inside, but I'll take a look at it tonight. I'll also make a video just to make sure I was clear enough.
So check:
The airbox,
Then take the exaust pipe off, then make sure it's clear?
Yep and while you have the airbgox off you can check the carbs either by going through the airbox and just feel or if your airbox is a solid one like a ski-doo u will have to take it off.
If you cant fix it with duct tape, tylnol, or band aids your screwed.
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