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diesel question
- possibly lookin at a ford
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October 6th 2009 at 1:14 PM
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polarisripper28
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now i know a little bout diesels but not to much. im lookin at this truck. http://westernmass.craigslist.org/cto/13...95459.html . now as far as i know the engine isnt controlled by a computer. now, that would mean you cant chip it. so how do people get massive amounts of hp out of them. is the only thing you can do is put bigger injecters, turbo, intercooler and lots of big money parts. also does this look like a pretty good deal. i need a new car and im kind of a chevy guy and im only likin this truck because i drove a old 7.3 non turbo 4x2 for work and loved it. any major problems with this truck i should watch out for?
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October 6th 2009 at 6:55 PM
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Anything newer than like 89 will have a computer, so yes you can chip it.
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October 6th 2009 at 7:10 PM
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OhioPolarisKid
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That there is one of the greatest motors put in a pickup, except maybe for a 5.9 but they are in Dodges. And it sounds like a good deal The motor is computer controlled. The old IDIs, 6.9 and 7.3, were like the 12 valve cummins and were mechanical so no chips. 1994 was the first year of the Powerstroke, and i dont think they built a 94 7.3 IDI. With the old Ford IDIs youd be lucky to get 3-400hp out of them. They just werent built for it. With the 7.3 powerstroke you can probably get 5-600hp with some mods. You can get chips for them. My dad bought a 97 7.3 and then sold it to my brother so ive been around them forever. His has 230k miles and 0 leaks. Awesome truck, and awesome motor. The only problem he has had is with transmissions. People say we got lucky and got over 200k on the stock auto, so he replaced it with a reman tranny. But that ones a 5 spd, so its good to go. The fenders and the tailgate will rust away if you dont take extreme care of it, its very common on them. If your interested in making big power with the truck, you better have a lot of money and knowledge. The fuel system on them is not a high performance type set up. It can make probably 6-700hp, but then it runs out of fuel. People have made their own injection and fuel system, and are making a ton of power. You can still chip it, get bigger turbos and injectors, add a intercoolder, and do all that. It just wont make the power a Cummins or Dmax will. If you want big numbers you need a 6.0 or 6.4. But if you just want an awesome truck that looks badass and sounds amazing, then get that truck. Here is a video of what im saying about the power limitations of the stock system. Sorry bout the long post.
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October 6th 2009 at 7:31 PM
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Them 7.3 turbos are nice, theres one in the junkyard and if it were summer again it would be in mine
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October 6th 2009 at 9:10 PM
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Go for it!!! I love my superduty...what an awesome pickup! Looks clean, and I love that body style.
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October 6th 2009 at 10:36 PM
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286 k on are 1996 f350 dually two clutchs (dont cheap out on the first), four vacuum pumps, one fuel pump, two cam sensers a set of glow plugs Not too bad for all the miles on it though still runs and hauls great.
Can you build a powerstroke? yes
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October 7th 2009 at 3:55 PM
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polarisripper28
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ok thanks for the info. my 1998 blazer is starting to have tons of little problems that are almost not worth fixing. i need a dependable truck and that style ford is the only kind i would get. and eit even comes with a plow so i could make some money on the side with it if i wanted to. now i was looking for lift kits for it and some photos show coil springs. i was pretty sure they had solid axle with leafs, you can even see a leaf in the pic. how hard is it to lift these, and how much? and what they get for gas mileage. i know my old company truck would get 15 city with a 16 or 18 foot landscape trailer with me gunning it out of every light cuz it sounded cool with streight pipes. i would think these get about the same?
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October 7th 2009 at 8:12 PM
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OhioPolarisKid
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Id say about 17 or so unloaded. 14-15 loaded. Weve gotten 12 before haulin 250 bales of straw in a headwind, lot of air resistance. You gotta keep in mind that the beastly motors weigh like 1200 pounds. The F-350s are solid axle front and rear. Everything smaller, 250 and 150, is TTB front and solid rear. A solid axle swap is something i want to do if i buy my bros truck. They are also leaf spring front and rear. I dont know about lift costs, but you can probably get add-a-leaves. My brother wanted to lift his but we convinced him its about worthless since its always towing and working. You can fit 32s without shimming the bumper, but it rubs. We shimmed it out a few inches and they fit good and look great. Another common problem is the cam sensor will go out. They had a recall for it a year or two ago, and i think the problem had to do with the fuel system. I think we put in 5 or 6 cam sensors, and keep one in the truck at all times. It will be a completely different beast then that old 7.3 IDI.
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October 7th 2009 at 8:22 PM
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Quote originally posted by OhioPolarisKid
Id say about 17 or so unloaded. 14-15 loaded. Weve gotten 12 before haulin 250 bales of straw in a headwind, lot of air resistance. You gotta keep in mind that the beastly motors weigh like 1200 pounds. The F-350s are solid axle front and rear. Everything smaller, 250 and 150, is TTB front and solid rear. A solid axle swap is something i want to do if i buy my bros truck. They are also leaf spring front and rear. I dont know about lift costs, but you can probably get add-a-leaves. My brother wanted to lift his but we convinced him its about worthless since its always towing and working. You can fit 32s without shimming the bumper, but it rubs. We shimmed it out a few inches and they fit good and look great. Another common problem is the cam sensor will go out. They had a recall for it a year or two ago, and i think the problem had to do with the fuel system. I think we put in 5 or 6 cam sensors, and keep one in the truck at all times. It will be a completely different beast then that old 7.3 IDI.
My F250HD has leaf springs in the front(sounded like you said they didnt).
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October 7th 2009 at 9:06 PM
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Quote originally posted by Raptor700rBronson Quote originally posted by OhioPolarisKid Id say about 17 or so unloaded. 14-15 loaded. Weve gotten 12 before haulin 250 bales of straw in a headwind, lot of air resistance. You gotta keep in mind that the beastly motors weigh like 1200 pounds. The F-350s are solid axle front and rear. Everything smaller, 250 and 150, is TTB front and solid rear. A solid axle swap is something i want to do if i buy my bros truck. They are also leaf spring front and rear. I dont know about lift costs, but you can probably get add-a-leaves. My brother wanted to lift his but we convinced him its about worthless since its always towing and working. You can fit 32s without shimming the bumper, but it rubs. We shimmed it out a few inches and they fit good and look great. Another common problem is the cam sensor will go out. They had a recall for it a year or two ago, and i think the problem had to do with the fuel system. I think we put in 5 or 6 cam sensors, and keep one in the truck at all times. It will be a completely different beast then that old 7.3 IDI. My F250HD has leaf springs in the front(sounded like you said they didnt). I said leafs front and rear. I think the TTBs came with coils on the lighter duty vehicles though. I just did a quick search for lifts and one was 900 bucks for a 4 inch lift. There might be coil conversions for them also.
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October 9th 2009 at 11:29 AM
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polarisripper28
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so they have independent front suspension witht the 250s and solid axle for the 350s?
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October 9th 2009 at 12:22 PM
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Quote originally posted by polarisripper28
so they have independent front suspension witht the 250s and solid axle for the 350s?
Correct,80-96 F150/F250 had the twin I beam IFS,F350s were soild
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October 9th 2009 at 1:39 PM
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polarisripper28
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thats lame
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October 9th 2009 at 2:01 PM
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Raptor700rBronson
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Dana 50s are indestructable and if you dont haul stuff you dont realy need a 60
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October 9th 2009 at 2:15 PM
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polarisripper28
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so did all 250s those year have independent front ends, even the ones with leaf springs. ive been doing some reasurch and some 250s are HD or something, what does that mean?
how does the independent handle the weight of a plow, cuz the chevys dont really like them?
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October 9th 2009 at 5:14 PM
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OhioPolarisKid
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Yep, all 250s until like 97 were independent unless somebody did a swap. There was no 98 F-250 except maybe a light duty, just the F-150 and they had a whole new truck in 99. There were 3 different F-250s in the 90s. The truck your looking at is the Heavy Duty, then there was a light duty which was a slightly beefed up F-150. Not sure why they made those. Then there was the Super Duty that started in 99. Id say it be ok for plowing. My dad plowed with his 2003 Silverado and it did fine. It hasnt plowed for a couple years because some little Toyota decided it wanted to mate with the plow and totaled the plow and the car. The trucks fine.
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October 9th 2009 at 7:34 PM
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Raptor700rBronson
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The hds have dana 50s like mine and the light duty f250s have dana 44 in the front
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October 10th 2009 at 10:50 PM
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OhioPolarisKid
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I looked today and out of our 5 F-250s, only 1 is a solid axle. The oldest is a 1990 and the newest is a 08. The solid axle is on the 05, and it came with the snow plow package from the factory. They are all coil springs in the front except the 97 Powerstroke and the 90. I think that from like the 80s to 97 they were leaf spring TTBs, and from 99 on up they are coil springs. Ya learn something everyday.
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October 11th 2009 at 3:55 PM
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If your going to put alot of miles on a truck, dont get the twin I beam, they cup tires if not rotated every ~8000 miles, also expensive to rebuild when they're wore out. I would also try to find a truck that doesnt have a plow on it, as plow trucks take alot of abuse it seems. For that truck pictured, I think $6500 is kinda steep. Buddy has a '97 F-250 with the solid axle, powerstroke, seems to be a good truck, he bought it for $5k, with 140k miles on it. If you are going to buy a Ford, I would stick with the reliabilty of the 7.3, I dont think I would buy a 6.0 and I definately wouldnt get a 6.4 unless it was new and i had a warranty.
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October 11th 2009 at 7:52 PM
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You can put a lot of miles on the TTBs, they do take more maintenance and cost more, but they arent really "bad". Plus as far as i know you wont find a solid axle F-250 unless its custom or they had some special package that ive never heard of like a plow package. Every f-250 ive seen other then ours with the plow package is TTB, so you wont be able to get away from it. And whats wrong with the 6.0 and 6.4? We finally have one of each Powerstroke, and so far the 7.3 has been the most problematic. My brother has only had his 6.0 for a few months but its got 80k miles and according to the previous maintence records its had 0 problems. The 6.4 just sucks because of all the emissions crap and they crammed it into the smallest area they could, but its only had some recall stuff done(like a radiator cap). So far its been a solid motor and a solid truck.
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October 11th 2009 at 7:58 PM
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ive only heard stories of peoples friends having problems with thhe 6.0, no one that i know who owns one has had any problems with them. i dont plan on putting alot of miles on it since im just a student. i just really want a diesel with relativly low miles in good condition and the older fords are awsome. i just want a solid axle because they are really beefy and easy to lift if i wanted to.
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October 14th 2009 at 9:08 AM
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Alot of the 6.0's had problems with the turbo's. I know a friend with one and he is on his 3rd turbo.
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Quote originally posted by polarisrxlrider
If your going to put alot of miles on a truck, dont get the twin I beam, they cup tires if not rotated every ~8000 miles, also expensive to rebuild when they're wore out. I would also try to find a truck that doesnt have a plow on it, as plow trucks take alot of abuse it seems. For that truck pictured, I think $6500 is kinda steep. Buddy has a '97 F-250 with the solid axle, powerstroke, seems to be a good truck, he bought it for $5k, with 140k miles on it. If you are going to buy a Ford, I would stick with the reliabilty of the 7.3, I dont think I would buy a 6.0 and I definately wouldnt get a 6.4 unless it was new and i had a warranty.
Your supposed to rotate tire every 5000 miles anyways. The superduty F-250 cupp the outside of the tires..
I have 255,000 on a 1/2 ton TTB with no wore out parts. solid will wear out just as fast as the TTB. I own both designs.
250's never came with a solid axle till the superdutys came out. Sure he doesn't have a rebadged F-350.
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Most problems I've heard with the new 6.0's is turbo's and transmissions going out. The 6.4 would be better if you did the DPF delete, then I think it would be ok, though I've still heard of engine failures, some due to turbo's, other due to camshafts. I believe you'll see alot more 7.3's with close to 400k miles on them, vs the new 6.0's and the 6.4's.
Also, his truck is a '97 but he put a 1 ton axle underneath it, and the transfer case had 4:10 gears in it, so he put the rear to 4:10 also he could use his 4WD
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1993 Polaris Indy Storm
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Quote originally posted by polarisrxlrider
and the transfer case had 4:10 gears in it, so he put the rear to 4:10 also he could use his 4WD
huh????
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