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	October 12th 2009 at 11:01 PM Post #1
	Sinkic Starting Member 19 Posts Group: Members Member Since: December 12th 2008 Location: Innisfil, Ontario, Canada Current Sled: XC 500 (2001)
	thinking about doing an engine swap, cuz im having some issues now... but anyways... so i have a 2001 XC 500 and was wondering if i could throw a new 440 in there? would it fit or would there be cleance issue? also what would the cost of doing this? anything would be great thanks! Drive it like you stole it! XC 500 (2001) 4" block 1.25" pivote pro-taper bars progrips powermad hand guards yellow belly pan Rating: 0 Quick Edit Edit Topic

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	October 13th 2009 at 11:36 AM Post #2
	Polaris_Parts_MN Junior Member 200 Posts Group: Members Member Since: October 8th 2008 Location: NW minneapolis suburbs, Minnesota, USA Current Sled: 1999 XC 500 2008-2009 Miles: 450
	depends on the year of the motor. do you mean a 440 from the IQ race chassis, or a 440 from the Pro-x chassis? cost depends on how much you get the motor for and how much labor you can do yourself. if you arent mechanically inclined, you'd have to take it to a shop which costs $$$ you might be better off solving the current issues on the 500 motor. whats going wrong? 1999 Polaris XC 500 -holeshot skid plate -fox reservoir front track shock -fox front shocks -xenon low-beam bulb (very helpful at night) Just add gas and snow! Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 13th 2009 at 1:02 PM  [ Modified October 13th 2009 at 1:09 PM ] Post #3
	Sinkic Starting Member 19 Posts Group: Members Member Since: December 12th 2008 Location: Innisfil, Ontario, Canada Current Sled: XC 500 (2001)
	Quote originally posted by Polaris_Parts_MN depends on the year of the motor. do you mean a 440 from the IQ race chassis, or a 440 from the Pro-x chassis? cost depends on how much you get the motor for and how much labor you can do yourself. if you arent mechanically inclined, you'd have to take it to a shop which costs $$$ you might be better off solving the current issues on the 500 motor. whats going wrong? 440 from the Pro-x chassis. and when going full throttle it will bogg down and then i lay off the the throttle and then get back on it and it goes again and same with deeper snow... and im kind of mechanically inclined lol i have a few buddies that would help me that know all of that. so thats not a issues i was just wonder how much it would cost to get a 440 pro-x engine for... i have the same sled as ur dads '01 xcsp 600 but mines a 500 so im thinking that the pro-x 440 would fit fine. thanks sinkic Drive it like you stole it! XC 500 (2001) 4" block 1.25" pivote pro-taper bars progrips powermad hand guards yellow belly pan Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 14th 2009 at 7:31 AM Post #4
	KRSS144 Average Member 782 Posts Group: Members Member Since: July 31st 2007 Location: SPARTA, MI Current Sled: 2000 XC 600 SP -its stock 2008-2009 Miles: 850
	Sounds like to me the carbs need to be cleaned and prossibly rejeted. When was the last time you had both clutches cleaned? I would start there before doing an engine swap. 105hp out of a stock 500 is a lot. More than some 600's. QUOTE(JeremyZ3 @ Jan 27 2009, 04:38 PM) F*** YOU ATLEAST I AINT A JEWISH XC JUNK OWNING ASS F***ER Goodwin Performance clutch kit,Boysen Reeds,1" Track,192 Stud Boys studs,Extra idler wheels,Thunder Products-extra air vents,SLP boost bottle,SLP Airhorn,Walker Evan rear Piggy Back shock,2 SLP Flow Right Intake,Rumble Pack can,PowerMadd 3" pivot riser w/6" riser block,custom made straight bar,PowerMadd handguards,PowerMadd SS extended throttle cable,RSI hand grips and SS brake line,hood vents yellow,Custom seat 04 SXVenom (Little ladies) 99 Banshee Red Frame,.40 over Vitos Super Stock Piston Kit,Vitos Needles, T5 pipes/silencers,Tusk nerf bars,K&N Air Filter,22" ITP Mud Lites 14/41 Gearing Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 14th 2009 at 7:52 AM Post #5
	Ugly_old_Poo_kid techno-bumpkin 1079 Posts Group: Members Member Since: March 18th 2007 Location: Walworth, NY, USA Current Sled: 05 Edge & Frankenstorm II 2008-2009 Miles: 165
	Before swapping motors, try rebuilding the clutch. Sounds like the spring might be worn. 95 - Storm 800 - Modded - AKA: FrankenStorm - Totalled near 100mph at Tug Hill! 96 - XLT/SP with Storm 800 trip/trip and now EFI - FrankenStorm II lives... 95 - RXL -- Sale Pending -- 05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now.. --------------------------------------------- It made me more compassionate, more empathetic, more nurturing... I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!! Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 14th 2009 at 2:49 PM Post #6
	Polaris_Parts_MN Junior Member 200 Posts Group: Members Member Since: October 8th 2008 Location: NW minneapolis suburbs, Minnesota, USA Current Sled: 1999 XC 500 2008-2009 Miles: 450
	definitely sounds like a weak spring. fix that before you buy a new motor and save yourself lots of money 1999 Polaris XC 500 -holeshot skid plate -fox reservoir front track shock -fox front shocks -xenon low-beam bulb (very helpful at night) Just add gas and snow! Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 14th 2009 at 8:32 PM Post #7
	Sinkic Starting Member 19 Posts Group: Members Member Since: December 12th 2008 Location: Innisfil, Ontario, Canada Current Sled: XC 500 (2001)
	Quote originally posted by Polaris_Parts_MN definitely sounds like a weak spring. fix that before you buy a new motor and save yourself lots of money how much are springs? cuz i would replace all of them... so how much for like 1 and then i'll for from there lol Drive it like you stole it! XC 500 (2001) 4" block 1.25" pivote pro-taper bars progrips powermad hand guards yellow belly pan Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 8:56 AM Post #8
	powersledder PSI Powered 3606 Posts Group: Members Member Since: September 1st 2006 Location: Houghton, MI, USA Current Sled: 07 IQr 2008-2009 Miles: No Speedo
	If the clutch springs aren't broke dont replace them. Go through (or have someone that knows what they're doing) your clutches and carbs and do a compression test on the engine. Most likely you're gonna find something that's a little off which should help. You're 500 has the older small block crankcase, this means a 440 or 600 smallblock VES engine should bolt right into your chassis. Polaris 800HO monoblock cylinder for sale PM me with offers Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 9:21 AM Post #9
	Sinkic Starting Member 19 Posts Group: Members Member Since: December 12th 2008 Location: Innisfil, Ontario, Canada Current Sled: XC 500 (2001)
	Quote originally posted by powersledder If the clutch springs aren't broke dont replace them. Go through (or have someone that knows what they're doing) your clutches and carbs and do a compression test on the engine. Most likely you're gonna find something that's a little off which should help. You're 500 has the older small block crankcase, this means a 440 or 600 smallblock VES engine should bolt right into your chassis. will do. and i kind of thought that to. just wasnt a 100% sure thanks! Drive it like you stole it! XC 500 (2001) 4" block 1.25" pivote pro-taper bars progrips powermad hand guards yellow belly pan Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 9:21 AM Post #10
	KRSS144 Average Member 782 Posts Group: Members Member Since: July 31st 2007 Location: SPARTA, MI Current Sled: 2000 XC 600 SP -its stock 2008-2009 Miles: 850
	Quote originally posted by powersledder If the clutch springs aren't broke dont replace them. Go through (or have someone that knows what they're doing) your clutches and carbs and do a compression test on the engine. Most likely you're gonna find something that's a little off which should help. You're 500 has the older small block crankcase, this means a 440 or 600 smallblock VES engine should bolt right into your chassis. I will have to disagree.I have been told and experienced that clutch spings only last about 2years. Yeah the ones in my clutches right now are about 4 years old but I am getting new ones. The prices can range from $15 to $55, all depends on brand and what ones you want. The ones I am getting are $35 a piece. QUOTE(JeremyZ3 @ Jan 27 2009, 04:38 PM) F*** YOU ATLEAST I AINT A JEWISH XC JUNK OWNING ASS F***ER Goodwin Performance clutch kit,Boysen Reeds,1" Track,192 Stud Boys studs,Extra idler wheels,Thunder Products-extra air vents,SLP boost bottle,SLP Airhorn,Walker Evan rear Piggy Back shock,2 SLP Flow Right Intake,Rumble Pack can,PowerMadd 3" pivot riser w/6" riser block,custom made straight bar,PowerMadd handguards,PowerMadd SS extended throttle cable,RSI hand grips and SS brake line,hood vents yellow,Custom seat 04 SXVenom (Little ladies) 99 Banshee Red Frame,.40 over Vitos Super Stock Piston Kit,Vitos Needles, T5 pipes/silencers,Tusk nerf bars,K&N Air Filter,22" ITP Mud Lites 14/41 Gearing Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 9:25 AM Post #11
	Sinkic Starting Member 19 Posts Group: Members Member Since: December 12th 2008 Location: Innisfil, Ontario, Canada Current Sled: XC 500 (2001)
	I will have to disagree.I have been told and experienced that clutch spings only last about 2years. Yeah the ones in my clutches right now are about 4 years old but I am getting new ones. The prices can range from $15 to $55, all depends on brand and what ones you want. The ones I am getting are $35 a piece. [/quote] wait i thought u only need one for the drive clutch? and where are u looking at get them from? Drive it like you stole it! XC 500 (2001) 4" block 1.25" pivote pro-taper bars progrips powermad hand guards yellow belly pan Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 10:22 AM Post #12
	Polaris_Parts_MN Junior Member 200 Posts Group: Members Member Since: October 8th 2008 Location: NW minneapolis suburbs, Minnesota, USA Current Sled: 1999 XC 500 2008-2009 Miles: 450
	theres a spring in the drive(primary) clutch and a spring in the driven (secondary) clutch 1999 Polaris XC 500 -holeshot skid plate -fox reservoir front track shock -fox front shocks -xenon low-beam bulb (very helpful at night) Just add gas and snow! Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 11:06 AM Post #13
	XLT96rider Other sports play once a week, but this sport is with us every day. 942 Posts Group: Members Member Since: January 7th 2009 Location: Wausau, Wisconsin, USA Current Sled: 1996 Polaris XLT Special 2008-2009 Miles: 1000+
	Quote originally posted by KRSS144 Quote originally posted by powersledder If the clutch springs aren't broke dont replace them. Go through (or have someone that knows what they're doing) your clutches and carbs and do a compression test on the engine. Most likely you're gonna find something that's a little off which should help. You're 500 has the older small block crankcase, this means a 440 or 600 smallblock VES engine should bolt right into your chassis. I will have to disagree.I have been told and experienced that clutch spings only last about 2years. Yeah the ones in my clutches right now are about 4 years old but I am getting new ones. The prices can range from $15 to $55, all depends on brand and what ones you want. The ones I am getting are $35 a piece. I would have to agree with you to disagree. I did a lot of research on springs/clutches when I re-clutched my sled. Replace the springs every 1 to 2 years for optimal performance. With all the compressing and relieving, a spring wears out. Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 11:43 AM Post #14
	slamdry President of the EFP/BRP/SLEDCRUSHER fan club!! 2397 Posts Group: Members Member Since: February 17th 2007 Location: Cohoes, NY, USA Current Sled: 02 RMK 600 + 97 xc 600 2008-2009 Miles: 910
	Quote originally posted by XLT96rider Quote originally posted by KRSS144 Quote originally posted by powersledder If the clutch springs aren't broke dont replace them. Go through (or have someone that knows what they're doing) your clutches and carbs and do a compression test on the engine. Most likely you're gonna find something that's a little off which should help. You're 500 has the older small block crankcase, this means a 440 or 600 smallblock VES engine should bolt right into your chassis. I will have to disagree.I have been told and experienced that clutch spings only last about 2years. Yeah the ones in my clutches right now are about 4 years old but I am getting new ones. The prices can range from $15 to $55, all depends on brand and what ones you want. The ones I am getting are $35 a piece. I would have to agree with you to disagree. I did a lot of research on springs/clutches when I re-clutched my sled. Replace the springs every 1 to 2 years for optimal performance. With all the compressing and relieving, a spring wears out. i', going to agree with power and disagree with the other two. i ran the same spirng in my xc for 4 years now and it STILL grabs hard at over 5k, yanks the ski's ****s and gets.. it may be weaker yes, BUT thats not yuor issue... Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE If I don't keep this sled for the whole season, I promise to never sign on to Snowmobile Fanatics again. Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 12:42 PM  [ Modified October 15th 2009 at 12:42 PM ] Post #15
	Sinkic Starting Member 19 Posts Group: Members Member Since: December 12th 2008 Location: Innisfil, Ontario, Canada Current Sled: XC 500 (2001)
	[/quote] i', going to agree with power and disagree with the other two. i ran the same spirng in my xc for 4 years now and it STILL grabs hard at over 5k, yanks the ski's ****s and gets.. it may be weaker yes, BUT thats not yuor issue... [/quote] ok so then what should i do? and it's going on 8 years now and i was reading on here drive clutch springs only last a good 2-4 years? Drive it like you stole it! XC 500 (2001) 4" block 1.25" pivote pro-taper bars progrips powermad hand guards yellow belly pan Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 12:52 PM Post #16
	polaris1man Average Member 738 Posts Group: Members Member Since: December 22nd 2007 Location: Nashwauk, Minnesota, USA Current Sled: Polaris SKS700 2008-2009 Miles: not many
	Quote originally posted by Sinkic i', going to agree with power and disagree with the other two. i ran the same spirng in my xc for 4 years now and it STILL grabs hard at over 5k, yanks the ski's ****s and gets.. it may be weaker yes, BUT thats not yuor issue... [/quote] ok so then what should i do? and it's going on 8 years now and i was reading on here drive clutch springs only last a good 2-4 years? [/quote] Powersledder knows his stuff (Yah Billy, I plugged yah!!), but here's a couple of things you might have missed with the other posts from some members with very good idea's. First of all on your clutches, you should rebuild and clean them often for max performance, two, on the driven clutch spring, when inspecting it, make sure both end pins line up, if not, throw it away, it's junk, three, your primary clutch especially needs a good cleaning, and could be the cause of this whole issue, sounds like a shift out problem. And finally, if you don't pay attention to your carbs, rebuilding them and paying particular attention to the pilot and making sure it is clear of any debris, your problem will continue Three-1999 Polaris SKS700's 2000 Polaris SKS700 2000 Polaris Ranger 6x6 2007 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI X2 2000 Yamaha YZ 250 1996 Yamaha WR250 Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 1:21 PM  [ Modified October 15th 2009 at 1:32 PM ] Post #17
	motodeficient Waiting for more snow 1358 Posts Group: Members Member Since: July 21st 2007 Location: MAINE Current Sled: 04 XC 660 SP 2008-2009 Miles: 800
	Why would you want to put a pro-x 440 motor in? That would mean having to put low compression domes and having to rejet all the time. If you were going to put a new motor in put a 600 or 800 VES in Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit

	October 15th 2009 at 4:56 PM Post #18
	Sinkic Starting Member 19 Posts Group: Members Member Since: December 12th 2008 Location: Innisfil, Ontario, Canada Current Sled: XC 500 (2001)
	Quote originally posted by polaris1man Quote originally posted by Sinkic i', going to agree with power and disagree with the other two. i ran the same spirng in my xc for 4 years now and it STILL grabs hard at over 5k, yanks the ski's ****s and gets.. it may be weaker yes, BUT thats not yuor issue... ok so then what should i do? and it's going on 8 years now and i was reading on here drive clutch springs only last a good 2-4 years? [/quote] Powersledder knows his stuff (Yah Billy, I plugged yah!!), but here's a couple of things you might have missed with the other posts from some members with very good idea's. First of all on your clutches, you should rebuild and clean them often for max performance, two, on the driven clutch spring, when inspecting it, make sure both end pins line up, if not, throw it away, it's junk, three, your primary clutch especially needs a good cleaning, and could be the cause of this whole issue, sounds like a shift out problem. And finally, if you don't pay attention to your carbs, rebuilding them and paying particular attention to the pilot and making sure it is clear of any debris, your problem will continue [/quote] ok thanks. im gonna go to my dealer and see how much it will cost for then to do it and if it's way to costly i'll look into getting a few of my buddies that know how to do all this Drive it like you stole it! XC 500 (2001) 4" block 1.25" pivote pro-taper bars progrips powermad hand guards yellow belly pan Rating: 0 Quick Edit Full Edit