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xlt 580 or 650 into a 01 xc500 chassis
started by IndyRXL
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October 18th 2009 at 9:29 PM
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IndyRXL
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Location: Basom, NY, USA
Current Sled: 01xcsp500/ 650
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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I picked up a 01 xc500 today with no engine. Has anyone put in a xlt or a 650 triple into one? Ive seen a bunch with the xcr triple, but i have a 650 and a 580 allready and would like to put one of them in it. I think i remember seeing one with a 650 somewhere but cant remember where.
01 xcsp500
swapping in a 650 triple
93xlt
xtra12 swap
giveing up its parts so the xcsp can live
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October 18th 2009 at 11:08 PM
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ferntfernt
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why, buy a liberty engine. more power and weighs less.
1971 Puma big mouth single
1976 MERC ICE TWISTER, 340, piped
1975 KITTY CAT
1983 CROSS COUNTRY, 660 triple
1998 XC700 RMK, piped, clutched
1998 XCF440
may not able to fix stupid, but you can modify it.
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October 19th 2009 at 5:06 AM
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^^^^he says he already has the engines.....why not try
The pipe fitment will be your biggest problem. Motor straps,airbox,and belt fitment also. If your a wrencher and have access to parts go for it
I've never had a ten But I've had 5 two's
GARAGE FULL OF WEDGIES
1998 XC 700
1998 XC 600
1998 XCF 440
1997 SKS 700
2003 Pro X oops thats an "edgie"
1976 tx 340
1972 colt 340
1974 John Deere 400
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October 19th 2009 at 7:30 AM
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polarisorbust
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that would be a unique project, post some pics along the way
98 XC700 97.3 mph 1000 ft.
00 XC500SP 45th Anniversary Ed.
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October 19th 2009 at 11:03 AM
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slamdry
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you can make anything fit, and i pretty sure there are some posts on here with edge sleds with triples in them.
Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE If I don't keep this sled for the whole season, I promise to never sign on to Snowmobile Fanatics again.
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October 19th 2009 at 11:30 AM
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Ugly_old_Poo_kid
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If you're going to all the effort to dop a motor swap, I'd definitely go for the 650 as it has a lot more potential for future mods...
95 - Storm 800 - Modded - AKA: FrankenStorm - Totalled near 100mph at Tug Hill!
96 - XLT/SP with Storm 800 trip/trip and now EFI - FrankenStorm II lives...
95 - RXL -- Sale Pending --
05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now..
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It made me more compassionate, more empathetic, more nurturing...
I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
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October 21st 2009 at 7:03 PM
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IndyRXL
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Current Sled: 01xcsp500/ 650
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Did some tinkering with it today, trying to get an idea on how things will fit. Havent decided on what motor to use but i set the 580 in just to get an idea, the 650 is in my xlt. I have triple pipes for the 580 and it realy doesnt fit to bad. It may not be to bad of a project
01 xcsp500
swapping in a 650 triple
93xlt
xtra12 swap
giveing up its parts so the xcsp can live
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October 25th 2009 at 7:13 PM
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IndyRXL
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Location: Basom, NY, USA
Current Sled: 01xcsp500/ 650
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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Built a custom mount and bolted in the 650 today. Im looking for some triple pipes, but the stock one will work with some simple mods. I also removed the airbox/oil container and im going to use a wedge airbox, oil and coolant bottle.
01 xcsp500
swapping in a 650 triple
93xlt
xtra12 swap
giveing up its parts so the xcsp can live
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October 25th 2009 at 8:14 PM
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MX4life
Rain sucks...its like a no name brand snow
MX4life stupid drivers strike.......still cant get my license.
Updated Wednesday at 9:47 PM
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awsome project, caught my attention just from the pictures 
keep us updated!
1989 Ski-Doo 250 Tundra LT
2002 Honda CR125R
1986 Honda XR100R
go BIG or go HOME!
I'm just a backyard baby with a diapie full of dreams. Tommy, The Rugrats
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October 25th 2009 at 8:44 PM
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zecow224
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ya the 650 is the best way to go, it will go faster, and like they said you can do so many more mods.
Kirby is my idol
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November 9th 2009 at 5:10 PM
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IndyRXL
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It runs! But like ****. Im hopeing its becouse its 60 out. Idles great but has no take off. Realy boggy till the rpms come up then it stands straight up. I need to make some kind of torque strap, change the tach and a few other little things.
01 xcsp500
swapping in a 650 triple
93xlt
xtra12 swap
giveing up its parts so the xcsp can live
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November 9th 2009 at 6:07 PM
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Ugly_old_Poo_kid
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Current Sled: 05 Edge & Frankenstorm II
2008-2009 Miles: 165
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Grab the secondary clutch that was with the 650 originally, it should work quite a bit better with no other changes.
But, you probably need to redo both clutches, because the gearing and weight is different.
95 - Storm 800 - Modded - AKA: FrankenStorm - Totalled near 100mph at Tug Hill!
96 - XLT/SP with Storm 800 trip/trip and now EFI - FrankenStorm II lives...
95 - RXL -- Sale Pending --
05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now..
---------------------------------------------
It made me more compassionate, more empathetic, more nurturing...
I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
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November 9th 2009 at 6:13 PM
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IndyRXL
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Current Sled: 01xcsp500/ 650
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Both clutches are from the 650. This motor had a simular problem last winter, i tore it down over the summer and found 2 skirts broken off the pistons, and a bad crank seal. Redid it over the summer and this is its first run.
01 xcsp500
swapping in a 650 triple
93xlt
xtra12 swap
giveing up its parts so the xcsp can live
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November 9th 2009 at 6:47 PM
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Ugly_old_Poo_kid
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Current Sled: 05 Edge & Frankenstorm II
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How old are the reeds? Did you clean out the carbs?
95 - Storm 800 - Modded - AKA: FrankenStorm - Totalled near 100mph at Tug Hill!
96 - XLT/SP with Storm 800 trip/trip and now EFI - FrankenStorm II lives...
95 - RXL -- Sale Pending --
05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now..
---------------------------------------------
It made me more compassionate, more empathetic, more nurturing...
I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
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November 9th 2009 at 6:55 PM
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IndyRXL
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Member Since: December 21st 2007
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Current Sled: 01xcsp500/ 650
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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The 650 is a piston port, no reeds. Carbs have been apart about 300 times, there spotless and i have made sure jetting is stock. This is a RXL motor converted to carbs buy a previous owner.
01 xcsp500
swapping in a 650 triple
93xlt
xtra12 swap
giveing up its parts so the xcsp can live
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November 9th 2009 at 7:06 PM
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barney
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Did you have to move motor mounts or did it just drop in on the existing mounts?
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November 9th 2009 at 7:22 PM
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IndyRXL
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140 Posts
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Member Since: December 21st 2007
Location: Basom, NY, USA
Current Sled: 01xcsp500/ 650
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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I used 800 big block straps, Had to drill 2 holes, one in each strap, move the front mount on the recoil side, the spot was there from factory just had to grind out the rivits and move it over. And modify the rear mount on the same side, just made it wider.
01 xcsp500
swapping in a 650 triple
93xlt
xtra12 swap
giveing up its parts so the xcsp can live
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November 9th 2009 at 7:37 PM
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Ugly_old_Poo_kid
techno-bumpkin
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1079 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: March 18th 2007
Location: Walworth, NY, USA
Current Sled: 05 Edge & Frankenstorm II
2008-2009 Miles: 165
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Quote originally posted by IndyRXL
The 650 is a piston port, no reeds. Carbs have been apart about 300 times, there spotless and i have made sure jetting is stock. This is a RXL motor converted to carbs buy a previous owner.
Yeah, duhhh, piston port... I wasn't thinking when I asked that. 
You didn't have to change the clutch spacing, right?
95 - Storm 800 - Modded - AKA: FrankenStorm - Totalled near 100mph at Tug Hill!
96 - XLT/SP with Storm 800 trip/trip and now EFI - FrankenStorm II lives...
95 - RXL -- Sale Pending --
05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now..
---------------------------------------------
It made me more compassionate, more empathetic, more nurturing...
I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
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November 9th 2009 at 7:40 PM
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Polaris_Parts_MN
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Quote originally posted by slamdry
you can make anything fit, and i pretty sure there are some posts on here with edge sleds with triples in them.
exactly. you can do anything if you have the right tools and know-how
1999 Polaris XC 500
-holeshot skid plate
-fox reservoir front track shock
-fox front shocks
-xenon low-beam bulb (very helpful at night)
Just add gas and snow!
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November 9th 2009 at 7:57 PM
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MX4life
Rain sucks...its like a no name brand snow
MX4life stupid drivers strike.......still cant get my license.
Updated Wednesday at 9:47 PM
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471 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: December 9th 2007
Location: oshawa, Ontario, Canada
Current Sled: 1989 tundra 250 LT
2008-2009 Miles: 200
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just an idea but would not haveing an airbox/filter with stock jets effect it? Mabey thats your problem.
1989 Ski-Doo 250 Tundra LT
2002 Honda CR125R
1986 Honda XR100R
go BIG or go HOME!
I'm just a backyard baby with a diapie full of dreams. Tommy, The Rugrats
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November 10th 2009 at 4:54 PM
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IndyRXL
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I got it to run allot better. Still has a bog but its much better. I took out the stupid ufo things that where in the carbs. Im thinking the right belt would help to, When i mounted the motor i went with edge 11.5in center to center, and used a 045 belt from my wedge xlt that uses 12in center to center
01 xcsp500
swapping in a 650 triple
93xlt
xtra12 swap
giveing up its parts so the xcsp can live
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