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Michigan Abolishes Snowmobile Advisory Committee
- Time to get vocal
started by tomjac
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October 22nd 2009 at 9:15 AM
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tomjac
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Time to speak up Michigan!
From fishweb Oct. 15 -
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Governor Granholm Abolishes Snowmobile Advisory Committee!
LANSING - Governor Jennifer M. Granholm today issued Executive Order 2009-45, creating a new Department of Natural Resources and Environment (DNRE) to protect and conserve Michigan's air, water and other natural resources. The new department will assume the powers and functions of the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) and the Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ), which are abolished by the executive order. The order takes effect January 17, 2010.
Lt. Governor John D. Cherry, Jr., at the governor's request, is leading a broad review of state government that could eventually result in the number of state departments being reduced to eight. "The new department will be leaner, more efficient and better able to manage our natural resources and protect our environment," Cherry said. "I've been traveling around the state hosting town halls to get the public's input on government streamlining. Creating this new department will put the interests of conservationists at the forefront."
Several boards, councils or committees are abolished by the executive order. The Michigan Trailways Advisory Council and the Michigan Snowmobile Advisory Committee also are abolished.
Their functions are transferred to a new seven-member Michigan Trails Advisory Council within the DNRE that will advise the governor and the DNRE director on creating, developing, operating and maintaining motorized and non-motorized trails in Michigan.
Who are the experts in the world of snowmobiling, snowmobilers or the non-motorized community?
The Michigan Snowmobile Association was shocked by the announcement. President Don Reed condemned the action. “Snowmobile grant sponsors relied on the SAC committee and MSA to work with the administration to move our program forward” Don Says, “Without their input I have very grave concerns for the future of snowmobiling in the state of Michigan!” When snowmobilers pay 100% of the cost of snowmobile trails, and contribute over a billion dollars a year to Michigan’s ailing economy, why mess with a proven winner?
Reinstate the SAC committee!
We urge all snowmobilers to unite and call the Governor, Lt Governor and tell them that this is a bad move. Snowmobiling is too important to be left in the hands of a Michigan Trails Advisory Council?
Governor Granholm 517-373-3400
Lt Governor Cherry 517-373-6800
Legislators who have supported MSA and the Snowmobile Advisory Committee.
Senator Mike Bishop 517-373-2417
Representative Andy Dillion 517-373-0857
Senator Michelle Mc Manus 517-373-1725
Representative Mike Lahti 517-373-0850
Senator Jason Allen 517-373-2413
Representative Gary McDowell 517-373-2629
Senator Mike Pruci 517-373-7840
Representative Darwin Booher 517-373-1747
Senator Tony Stamas 517-373-7946
Representative Kevin Elsenheimer 517-373-0829
Senator James Barcia 517-373-1777
Representative Steve Lindberg 517-3730498
Senator Patricia Birkholz 269-857-2757
Representative Tim Moore 517-373-8962
Senator John Gleason 517-373-0142
Representative Wayne Schmidt 517-373-1766
Senator Gerald Van Woerkom 517-373-1635
Representative Joel Sheltrown 517-373-3817
Senator Bruce Patterson 517-373-7350
Representative Jim Stamas 517-373-1791
Representative Kathy Angerer 517-373-1792
The greenies are coming.
Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Coldwater, MI
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October 22nd 2009 at 9:30 AM
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TRICKPaint
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Will fishing and hunting also be grouped into the same department as motorized and non-motorized trails?
These are things that are very different and require seperate attenion. Why would they want to "fix something that isn't broken"?
I'll make my call!
Quote originally posted by TRICKPaint
Will fishing and hunting also be grouped into the same department as motorized and non-motorized trails?
These are things that are very different and require seperate attenion. Why would they want to "fix something that isn't broken"?
I'll make my call!
I just called Lt. Governor Cherry. She said she was not aware of this and forwarded me to another # that just rang and rang!?
I think the more calls they get from out of staters like myself can only help. It would be nice to just get some clear answers from them!
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October 22nd 2009 at 10:56 AM
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XLT96rider
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"The new department will be leaner, more efficient and better able to manage our natural resources and protect our environment," Cherry said.
Yeah, we've all heard that before, whether it be where you work or here.
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Who are the experts in the world of snowmobiling, snowmobilers or the non-motorized community?
The Michigan Snowmobile Association was shocked by the announcement. President Don Reed condemned the action. “Snowmobile grant sponsors relied on the SAC committee and MSA to work with the administration to move our program forward” Don Says, “Without their input I have very grave concerns for the future of snowmobiling in the state of Michigan!” When snowmobilers pay 100% of the cost of snowmobile trails, and contribute over a billion dollars a year to Michigan’s ailing economy, why mess with a proven winner?
Sounds like with the grants and money coming in, they had no problem with money for trails and such. Kind of sounds like they want to filter some of that money into other things. Like grouping all money together, then distribute it non-accordingly.
Is there an address to send letters to for this, and who to send it to?
I'll deff. voice my opinion on this!!
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October 22nd 2009 at 10:58 AM
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xcr440
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If the advisroy comitiee is anything like wi's, they don't listen to the people thoughts or concerns. Best of luck to mi, I will help where I can.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
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October 22nd 2009 at 11:09 AM
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srx_600
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srx_600 if its gonna be this warm i would rather have it be summer...
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Hey Trick, what number did you call?
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October 22nd 2009 at 12:14 PM
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jmeyer1988
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Yea....I called Lt Governor Cherry and I got transfer just like Trick and got hung up on.
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October 22nd 2009 at 12:15 PM
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srx_600
www.snowmobilehotspots.com
srx_600 if its gonna be this warm i would rather have it be summer...
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Called Lt Governor Cherry as well with the same results!
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October 22nd 2009 at 12:18 PM
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jmeyer1988
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Those town meetings that they talked about. I never heard of one for my area.
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October 22nd 2009 at 12:23 PM
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Mustangnut6788
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Pretty soon they will have it just as screwed up as New York and we'll have to pay $100 to register a sled! I stopped going to NY because of the costs or registration, hope MI doesn't take notes from NY.
What's in my toy box:
1999 Arctic Cat Thundercat 1000
1988 Mustang GT 5.0L / 1993 Mustang Coupe / 1993 Mustang GT 5.0L
2000 F-150
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October 22nd 2009 at 12:26 PM
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jmeyer1988
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Ya me either. That would definitely but some people out of snowmobiling.
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October 22nd 2009 at 12:38 PM
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papas71chap
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Quote originally posted by jmeyer1988
Ya me either. That would definitely but some people out of snowmobiling.
well,,,,, theres that boot in the nads you were waitig for... 
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October 22nd 2009 at 7:04 PM
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PolarisBoy1996
Hard Core Sled Lover
PolarisBoy1996 Got my handguards, mounts, and extensions in the mail today. Just finished putting them on, hope they work good!
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Uh oh, the tree huggers are out to wreck everybody's fun...
It's not what you drive, It's what drives you!
Pain is just weakness leaving the body!
Current Sleds:
1995 Polaris Indy Starlite 250 - Mine
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2001 Polaris XCSP 600 w/modded out 2003 Polaris ProX 600 motor - Dad's
1998 Ski-Doo Formula 380 - Mom's First
2003 Polaris ProX 600 - Mom's Second
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October 22nd 2009 at 8:05 PM
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arcticcatinc
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arcticcatinc if your going to watch "new moon" tonight..or ever for that matter. Your gay.
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Called Cherry. Got the same results. called a few others who beat around the bush and also transferred the call to nowhere.. what the hell?
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October 22nd 2009 at 9:16 PM
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Empire087
Dude wheres the snow?
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Time to parade around lansing? They will get a call from me tommorrow.
02 ZL 500(apv)
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"if it snowed in the summer, I'd ride!"
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October 23rd 2009 at 2:24 AM
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2L8ULuz
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I called cherry with same results. Had someone else call, and also got forwarded to another #. Her saying she is not aware is b.s. She said the same thing to both of us, like she was reading from a paper. I haven't read a post yet where they had talked to someone, when they were forwarded to the other #. That must be their F U line to dump calls.
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October 23rd 2009 at 7:51 AM
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Told people they better start joining clubs and talk to your Reps. Find out what is going on.
BO administration gave the green light for the greenies to go after everything.
WE aLL better start writing, I have for the SAWS group, even tho I dont ride there.
I will for this also, it only takes a few minutes.
We talked to one rep. many years ago. He said the reason he voted for something, was because only a few people wrote to him, and we didnt.
Beware, that means the Greenies will probably have control of your trail money, ask for audits.
We lost millions in MN. They used are money to tar trails then told us to stay off, ONLY because snowmobilers Finally got off there butts and said something, they backed down. kind of.
They then took are money and built bike trails, again we bitched and finally have trail money supposedly go into a special account.
I guess MI, doesnt like the idea of money coming into the state?
There not broke enough?
Also contact motels, Bars, Gas stations, any place you visit, they are allies, they make a living off of us.
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October 23rd 2009 at 8:13 AM
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TRICKPaint
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 Keep calling!!!
Call her again today and ask the same thing! Keep her frickin' phone ringing all day until we get a straight answer.
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October 23rd 2009 at 8:27 AM
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Do you have Email addresses for us?
Start a petition
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October 23rd 2009 at 8:35 AM
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TRICKPaint
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Quote originally posted by TRICKPaint
Keep calling!!!
Call her again today and ask the same thing! Keep her frickin' phone ringing all day until we get a straight answer.
I just got a hold of her office and spoke to a guy. He was was very kind and listend to all my questions and gave me the best answers he could at the time.
Yes, the Govenor did give order to abolish the Michigan Snowmobile Advisory Committee.He did say they have been recieving calls.I told him how there are many out of state snowmobilers who blast a ton of money into their economy each year. He agreed and said we don't want to lose that, and that they are going to try and work with the snowmobilers?, but no answers now as far as how that will be done.
Again, he was as kind as could be and I thanked him for not passing me off and giving me some of his time. I think his name was Joseph?
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October 23rd 2009 at 8:48 AM
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Empire087
Dude wheres the snow?
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What kind of questions did you ask? A base might help, I'm not sure what to ask them about. I really don't want to sound like a moron if I do get ahold of someone high up on the food chain.
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October 23rd 2009 at 9:15 AM
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TRICKPaint
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Quote originally posted by Empire087
What kind of questions did you ask? A base might help, I'm not sure what to ask them about. I really don't want to sound like a moron if I do get ahold of someone high up on the food chain.
Just be honest...
Tell them you are a responsible snowmobiler who contributes to the economy and you want to make sure that we are kept in the loop of what is going on in this restructure. Ask for an explanation of what this means for us! etc...
The big thing is... your call and concern shows them that they are being watched! This makes it more difficult for them to do anything extreme without opposition.
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October 23rd 2009 at 9:24 AM
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triplefever
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well isnt that about a bitch...she just likes destroying michigan one step at a time...its time for me to move out west wont be to hard for me to find a job out there
i called and got the run around from them... hows my voice supose to be heard f they wont hear it AHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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October 23rd 2009 at 9:42 AM
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jfcohio
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Just another example of bureacratic BS. Sounds to me that they want the money to go elsewhere than where WE pay for it to go and that sucks...badly. Surely every Snowmobile Club in Michigan knows about this fact? If not, they need to know quickly. Sometimes these things fly under the radar. Probably doesn't even really matter. They pass Cap & Trade snowmobiling will probably disappear altogether unless you just ride illegally. I mean, c'mon, they are going to TAX cow and pig farts and let snowmobilers just ride through the woods? How utterly immoral on our part to even think of doing such a thing. I just want to bitch slap all of them.
Thinking writing a letter is best. Phone calls always seem to be answered by the lowest person who just tries to pass you off ASAP, emails go unanswered, but sending a letter usually seems to get a reply when I send one.
If you do send one...DEMAND a response. Just my 2 cents...
Well, isn't this just freakin' ironic? The MI DNR contact site has been disabled:
Instructions are provided within the Accessibility Policy. Skip Navigation
Michigan.gov Home DNR Home | Links | Site Map | Contact DNR | Ask DNR
This site has been disabled for the time being.
From where I sit in Ohio...she sounds like such a wonderful woman...maybe we should ALL send her a nice note?
Governor Jennifer M. Granholm
P.O. Box 30013
Lansing, Michigan 48909
PHONE: (517) 373-3400
PHONE: (517) 335-7858 - Constituent Services
FAX:(517) 335-6863
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October 23rd 2009 at 4:03 PM
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Empire087
Dude wheres the snow?
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Shhould I call my local news station and tell them about it? Might help spread the word about what's going on?
02 ZL 500(apv)
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October 23rd 2009 at 4:18 PM
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TRICKPaint
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Quote originally posted by Empire087
Shhould I call my local news station and tell them about it? Might help spread the word about what's going on?
Yes!, but you will have to have some facts ready for them to look into it... Maybe you could let your local club know and ask them to go to the paper for you. It wouldn't hurt if you guys up there in Michigan got a hold of M.S.A. and see what they know about all this.
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