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what are the charges?
- someone is trying to sue me so my dad wants to counter sue.
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October 24th 2009 at 7:45 AM
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87srvsnow
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Quote originally posted by 2L8ULuz
A judge is going to look a this case and laugh. He is going to say it's kids being kids. The judge should drill the grandfather on why he brought a bat to beat on kids. You were setup, the kid took parts of the IM to turn it on you. He called the cops saying you were going to kick his ass and you were by his house. He gave the IM's to the cops, to make himself look good. You need to see the so called IM's the cops have. You should be able to, if it's evidence against you. If anything the judge will put restraining orders against you guys. With the exception of school, where one of you open your mouths, and can be charged with braking the order.
"threatening to commit a crime" how? Because you showed up to a spot to fight? Have you gone in and talked to the police about this? To see at what point of this, they can sue you? I have never heard of the police sending out letters when you are getting sued. They come from a lawyer, or court system. I'd then counter sue the grandfather and grandmother for the samething. It may only take a letter from your laywer, and they may change their mind. If they do, then you get a restraining order against the kid first, if not now. Sounds like a weak move, but this kid is going to just keep calling the cops, and keep doing shady ****. You will be the one getting blamed everytime.
If it were me all this b.s would of stoped on the bus. I'm glad when I was growing up, you knocked the **** out of each other, and the b.s and games were done after the fight. Everyone is to F'in sue happy, it makes me sick.
i completely understand. and i hope that they just drop the charge. i would have fought him on the bus, but then i would have been kicked off the bus, and suspended from school. i would have had to find my own ride home since i wouldn't be aloud on the bus anymore, just a lot of BS then just for one loser.
i don't like suing his grandfather, and i somewhat understand him swinging the bat, somewhat. he just wanted to protect his grandson. its just i don't want to get charged with anything, so i have to try something so they'll drop the charges.
Bambi would have been a better and shorter movie if he was shot in the beginning with his mother
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October 24th 2009 at 7:49 AM
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Quote originally posted by 2L8ULuz
A judge is going to look a this case and laugh. He is going to say it's kids being kids. The judge should drill the grandfather on why he brought a bat to beat on kids. You were setup, the kid took parts of the IM to turn it on you. He called the cops saying you were going to kick his ass and you were by his house. He gave the IM's to the cops, to make himself look good. You need to see the so called IM's the cops have. You should be able to, if it's evidence against you. If anything the judge will put restraining orders against you guys. With the exception of school, where one of you open your mouths, and can be charged with braking the order.
"threatening to commit a crime" how? Because you showed up to a spot to fight? Have you gone in and talked to the police about this? To see at what point of this, they can sue you? I have never heard of the police sending out letters when you are getting sued. They come from a lawyer, or court system. I'd then counter sue the grandfather and grandmother for the samething. It may only take a letter from your laywer, and they may change their mind. If they do, then you get a restraining order against the kid first, if not now. Sounds like a weak move, but this kid is going to just keep calling the cops, and keep doing shady ****. You will be the one getting blamed everytime.
If it were me all this b.s would of stoped on the bus. I'm glad when I was growing up, you knocked the **** out of each other, and the b.s and games were done after the fight. Everyone is to F'in sue happy, it makes me sick.
What they got was a summons. It depends on the state and how much money the plaintiff is asking for. Some go through local law enforcement and others, the plaintiff pays the lawyer to serve the papers.
Did you get the cop to look into grandpa's vehicle? If she did not see he bat...you have a tough row to hoe there. You need the complete IM. Both for they court case and afterward. If your dad wins the case, give the IM to school and have that kid put on another bus. It will be the start of your case of harrassment against him.
There was NO REASON for an adult to be making threatening gestures with a bat. NONE!! If I was your dad, I would ask the cop what comments grandma made toward you. And then sue her too.
Hopefully, you learned a lesson here. Words can't hurt you. Now, you have to go out of your way to prove you are a good kid.
Find the line between respect and fear....then flirt with it
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October 24th 2009 at 8:24 AM
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Quote originally posted by 87srvsnow
Quote originally posted by 2L8ULuz
A judge is going to look a this case and laugh. He is going to say it's kids being kids. The judge should drill the grandfather on why he brought a bat to beat on kids. You were setup, the kid took parts of the IM to turn it on you. He called the cops saying you were going to kick his ass and you were by his house. He gave the IM's to the cops, to make himself look good. You need to see the so called IM's the cops have. You should be able to, if it's evidence against you. If anything the judge will put restraining orders against you guys. With the exception of school, where one of you open your mouths, and can be charged with braking the order.
"threatening to commit a crime" how? Because you showed up to a spot to fight? Have you gone in and talked to the police about this? To see at what point of this, they can sue you? I have never heard of the police sending out letters when you are getting sued. They come from a lawyer, or court system. I'd then counter sue the grandfather and grandmother for the samething. It may only take a letter from your laywer, and they may change their mind. If they do, then you get a restraining order against the kid first, if not now. Sounds like a weak move, but this kid is going to just keep calling the cops, and keep doing shady ****. You will be the one getting blamed everytime.
If it were me all this b.s would of stoped on the bus. I'm glad when I was growing up, you knocked the **** out of each other, and the b.s and games were done after the fight. Everyone is to F'in sue happy, it makes me sick.
i completely understand. and i hope that they just drop the charge. i would have fought him on the bus, but then i would have been kicked off the bus, and suspended from school. i would have had to find my own ride home since i wouldn't be aloud on the bus anymore, just a lot of BS then just for one loser.
i don't like suing his grandfather, and i somewhat understand him swinging the bat, somewhat. he just wanted to protect his grandson. its just i don't want to get charged with anything, so i have to try something so they'll drop the charges.
No I know you did the right thing on the bus. Don't listen to me about the bus. Thats why I had to take the nike express home, when I got tossed off the bus in jr high for a few months.
Just find out the facts from the police and go from there.
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October 24th 2009 at 9:51 AM
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87srvsnow
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Quote originally posted by 2L8ULuz
Quote originally posted by 87srvsnow
Quote originally posted by 2L8ULuz
A judge is going to look a this case and laugh. He is going to say it's kids being kids. The judge should drill the grandfather on why he brought a bat to beat on kids. You were setup, the kid took parts of the IM to turn it on you. He called the cops saying you were going to kick his ass and you were by his house. He gave the IM's to the cops, to make himself look good. You need to see the so called IM's the cops have. You should be able to, if it's evidence against you. If anything the judge will put restraining orders against you guys. With the exception of school, where one of you open your mouths, and can be charged with braking the order.
"threatening to commit a crime" how? Because you showed up to a spot to fight? Have you gone in and talked to the police about this? To see at what point of this, they can sue you? I have never heard of the police sending out letters when you are getting sued. They come from a lawyer, or court system. I'd then counter sue the grandfather and grandmother for the samething. It may only take a letter from your laywer, and they may change their mind. If they do, then you get a restraining order against the kid first, if not now. Sounds like a weak move, but this kid is going to just keep calling the cops, and keep doing shady ****. You will be the one getting blamed everytime.
If it were me all this b.s would of stoped on the bus. I'm glad when I was growing up, you knocked the **** out of each other, and the b.s and games were done after the fight. Everyone is to F'in sue happy, it makes me sick.
i completely understand. and i hope that they just drop the charge. i would have fought him on the bus, but then i would have been kicked off the bus, and suspended from school. i would have had to find my own ride home since i wouldn't be aloud on the bus anymore, just a lot of BS then just for one loser.
i don't like suing his grandfather, and i somewhat understand him swinging the bat, somewhat. he just wanted to protect his grandson. its just i don't want to get charged with anything, so i have to try something so they'll drop the charges.
No I know you did the right thing on the bus. Don't listen to me about the bus. Thats why I had to take the nike express home, when I got tossed off the bus in jr high for a few months.
Just find out the facts from the police and go from there.
alright thanks man. i just don't understand how a fight between kids can be such a big deal.
Bambi would have been a better and shorter movie if he was shot in the beginning with his mother
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October 24th 2009 at 1:33 PM
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WOW if i was you, that kid woulda got a punch in the face. he called you out, big deal you get suspended. the thing with the grandparents WTF???? like i would go tell my grandparents about some kid at school wanting to fight me. this kid isnt worth all that, getting sued? WTF again. thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard. kids fight all the time big deal. if he says anything to you, anything at all punch him in the face. if you get suspended or w.e big deal. all you gotta say is he asked for it LOL but anywho good luck with that **** sounds like its gona be fun.
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October 24th 2009 at 2:36 PM
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87srvsnow
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Quote originally posted by triple650
WOW if i was you, that kid woulda got a punch in the face. he called you out, big deal you get suspended. the thing with the grandparents WTF???? like i would go tell my grandparents about some kid at school wanting to fight me. this kid isnt worth all that, getting sued? WTF again. thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard. kids fight all the time big deal. if he says anything to you, anything at all punch him in the face. if you get suspended or w.e big deal. all you gotta say is he asked for it LOL but anywho good luck with that **** sounds like its gona be fun.
but if i did fight him then i would definatly go on pobation, and it doesnt look good on college aplications that i kicked someones a**. its not worth not going to a god college just because one kid decided to act tough.
Bambi would have been a better and shorter movie if he was shot in the beginning with his mother
if a ride on lawn mower takes bumps better than your sled, its time to upgrade
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October 24th 2009 at 3:01 PM
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Just remember a IM won't hold any weight in a court room, No way they could ever prove who is behind the screen name. So they really have nothing, it's just a big waste of time the charges will be dropped once they see how much court really costs.
And colleges only see what you send them and I doubt you would be sending them your juvenile record. Most of the time they are sealed anyways when you turn 18 (If you have one)
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October 24th 2009 at 4:40 PM
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87srvsnow
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Quote originally posted by Twill08
Just remember a IM won't hold any weight in a court room, No way they could ever prove who is behind the screen name. So they really have nothing, it's just a big waste of time the charges will be dropped once they see how much court really costs.
And colleges only see what you send them and I doubt you would be sending them your juvenile record. Most of the time they are sealed anyways when you turn 18 (If you have one)
but don't colleges do like, back round checks or something? how much does court cost?
Bambi would have been a better and shorter movie if he was shot in the beginning with his mother
if a ride on lawn mower takes bumps better than your sled, its time to upgrade
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October 24th 2009 at 5:02 PM
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What do your friends think of this? and what do your friends and others think of this kid?
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October 24th 2009 at 5:42 PM
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Quote originally posted by 87srvsnow
but don't colleges do like, back round checks or something? how much does court cost?
You're applying for college, not a job. College acceptance depends on your academic performance. There is no criminal records check; your acceptance depends on your transcript and how well you promote yourself.
It's been 8 years since I filled out college applications, but I don't remember there being a "Have you been convicted of a crime" checkbox. Even if there was, they can't deny you just because you have a record, just like a job. Universities want your money, and you'll be giving them a bunch of it. They aren't going to say no just because of some stupid stuff you did as a kid.
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October 24th 2009 at 5:56 PM
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Beat his ass!
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October 24th 2009 at 6:28 PM
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87srvsnow
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Quote originally posted by TRICKPaint
What do your friends think of this? and what do your friends and others think of this kid?
thats the thing! everyone hates this kid! he talks s*** about everyone, and everyone hates him. this is like the third time this kid has called the police about people wanting to fight him. (i didn't know this prior to going to fight him). i don't get it how even his parents could take his side. either everyone in school is an a**hole or he is. and im normally a person who wouldn't fight someone, so he is the only common denominator here.
also, my friends said that they will be witnesses to this kid being a prick, but the court date is on a thursday, at 9 AM. everyone is in school! how can i even bring witnesses? a couple people said they'll come but some cant miss school.
Quote originally posted by SXMTX
Beat his ass!
trust me i want to, but why try to get in more trouble. Quote originally posted by 07Phazer
Quote originally posted by 87srvsnow
but don't colleges do like, back round checks or something? how much does court cost?
You're applying for college, not a job. College acceptance depends on your academic performance. There is no criminal records check; your acceptance depends on your transcript and how well you promote yourself.
It's been 8 years since I filled out college applications, but I don't remember there being a "Have you been convicted of a crime" checkbox. Even if there was, they can't deny you just because you have a record, just like a job. Universities want your money, and you'll be giving them a bunch of it. They aren't going to say no just because of some stupid stuff you did as a kid.
thanks, that was actually my biggest fear, i didn't want to not go to the college i wanted just because i decided to make a mistake early in life. this actually just calmed me down a bit haha.
Bambi would have been a better and shorter movie if he was shot in the beginning with his mother
if a ride on lawn mower takes bumps better than your sled, its time to upgrade
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October 24th 2009 at 6:35 PM
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Quote originally posted by SXMTX
Beat his ass!
I agree if all that has been said is true, this kid is overdue on a good AZZ kicking. 87srvsnow is a good student I'm sure, so I can understand how he does not want to tarnish what he has worked hard for.
He's taking the high road which is good!
That kid will get it by someone soon if he is that big of a knob.
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October 24th 2009 at 9:07 PM
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Get a lawyer and have him sepenia anybody that was a witness. That way they CAN get out of school. Also, like said before, ask the police to see a copy of the report (a few bucks) and the messages from the other kid. It's your right to see these.
I've had a case years ago that was worse then this and got a lawyer involved and low and behold, stories changed. They knew I was serious.
What's happening in the world today?? Use to be that we'd beat the sh!t out of each other and got nothing...times are a changin', I guess.
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October 24th 2009 at 9:14 PM
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87srvsnow
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Quote originally posted by XLT96rider Get a lawyer and have him sepenia anybody that was a witness. That way they CAN get out of school. Also, like said before, ask the police to see a copy of the report (a few bucks) and the messages from the other kid. It's your right to see these. I've had a case years ago that was worse then this and got a lawyer involved and low and behold, stories changed. They knew I was serious. What's happening in the world today?? Use to be that we'd beat the sh!t out of each other and got nothing...times are a changin', I guess. yup there changing for the worst. sadly my generation seems to be the beginning of a generation of total tools and wimps. oh well people can raise there kids anyway they want i guess. i know ill be raising my kids to put there money where there mouth is. if you plan on saying something, you better plan on backing it up. i thought about the lawyer thing but lawyers are expensive though.
Bambi would have been a better and shorter movie if he was shot in the beginning with his mother
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October 24th 2009 at 9:38 PM
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^ Not really... talk to a few of them and talk about costs.
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October 24th 2009 at 9:58 PM
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87srvsnow
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Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt ^ Not really... talk to a few of them and talk about costs. how do lawyers make s omuch if there not expensive?
Bambi would have been a better and shorter movie if he was shot in the beginning with his mother
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Quote originally posted by 87srvsnow
Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt
^ Not really... talk to a few of them and talk about costs.
how do lawyers make s omuch if there not expensive?
they make there money on lawsuits when they get there 20+ percent cut...but what you need to do is beat the s*** out of him and have a "witness" that says he come after you and just remember that once hes on the ground you cant hit him until hes on his feet again cuz thats how it goes from self defense to agravated assult...as for a record when you turn 18 they will expunge your record if you piss clean for as long as they tell you to for
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October 24th 2009 at 11:26 PM
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Around here they dont clear your record when 18.
Sounds like a big cluster f**k and a waste of everyones time to me.
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October 25th 2009 at 12:32 AM
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None of this will stick in court. There's no way that the IM was saved from MySpace. If it was, it'll have his side where he egged you on as well.
Basically it's a bunch of heresay. Without witnesses to prove a story of "well he said this," it's normally thrown out.
Don't worry about college applications. If you do have charges convicted, they'll be simple and more than likely off your record once you turn 18.
And just to clear up, you're not being sued. If you got a summons to a criminal court, you have charges being pressed against you. If it's a civil summons, and they're demanding money, that is a suit. Sounds to me like it was a criminal summons.
Talk to a lawyer. They're not all sleazebags, and will more than likely either help you out or give you some solid advice on where to turn from here.
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Quote originally posted by 87srvsnow
trust me i want to, but why try to get in more trouble.
Well I mean if getting charged is inevitable why not make it worth everyones time and give that kid something REAL to charge you with, right?
.....JUST kidding.
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October 26th 2009 at 8:43 PM
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87srvsnow
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Quote originally posted by mackinsaw
Quote originally posted by 87srvsnow
trust me i want to, but why try to get in more trouble.
Well I mean if getting charged is inevitable why not make it worth everyones time and give that kid something REAL to charge you with, right?
.....JUST kidding.
haha i have thought about it. one thing i have noticed that everyone including all my friends says is why i didn't just beat him up at school. i don't really see a point to fighting in school. three punches, and then teachers are breaking it up. three punches in and im not even sure if the person has learned a lesson yet. 
Bambi would have been a better and shorter movie if he was shot in the beginning with his mother
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October 26th 2009 at 9:34 PM
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Group: Members
Member Since: January 25th 2009
Current Sled: 1999 polaris 700 xcsp
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Its all hear say even if they have an im conversation. Unless you really threatened him seriuosly and they have nothing against him I would not worry about it too much. If it really does come down to going to court get a lawyer and have him talk to the judge/prosecuter and let them know you dont want this to build up any bigger than it already has. Let them know you just wanna graduate and go to college and you are willing to appologize and or just stay out of his way. Countersuit is not gonafly they never saw the bat and again its hear say or per say "he said she said". Good luck man stay out of trouble its alot easier in the future. I'm still haunted by some of the mistakes I made as a kid even though I think they are minor people that may interview you later on may not think they are so small but a possible pattern.
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October 27th 2009 at 6:28 AM
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kingofkings
arguing with idiots
kingofkings .
Updated Yesterday at 6:33 AM
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710 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: August 19th 2008
Location: Little Falls, MN, USA
Current Sled: 1998 ZL 500
2008-2009 Miles: 700+
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He's just trying to get you worked up, testing you what you would do about it, I bet those are phoney charges.
-To ride or not to ride, what a stupid question!
-You should never judge a guy until you have walked a mile in his shoes, then you are a mile away and have his shoes
-Ice, snow, or grass, I'll still kick your ass.
-"And when he gets to Heaven, to St. Peter he will tell, one more soldier reporting Sir I have served my time in Hell"
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October 27th 2009 at 6:06 PM
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triplefever
Junior Member
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104 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: October 20th 2009
Location: saginaw, michigan
Current Sled: 1999 zr600 snopro
2008-2009 Miles: 3049
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haha i have thought about it. one thing i have noticed that everyone including all my friends says is why i didn't just beat him up at school. i don't really see a point to fighting in school. three punches, and then teachers are breaking it up. three punches in and im not even sure if the person has learned a lesson yet.
what 3 punches boy it only takes one just aim for the back of the head and try doing it by going through his nose
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