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cleaning VES
- quick question
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October 27th 2009 at 3:39 PM
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PolarisPuglia
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best stuff to clean my titanium VES with? any tips or tricks? do's and donts? first time doing it-thanks.
2004 PRO-Xr 440/800 mod, c&a's, vforce reeds, more coming soon...
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October 27th 2009 at 4:29 PM
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powdermadd440
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I've heard oven cleaner works good, but never tried it. I usually use engine degreaser, some wd-40, and a scotch brite pad. Let the degreaser soak in then rub it with the pad, some wd-40 and a lot more rubbing and it should come off. If it's really baked on there a razor blade works to scrape it off but be careful not to scratch the metal.
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October 27th 2009 at 4:29 PM
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DRAGON120
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I always use a razor blade i ve never had good luck with brake clean or gas
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October 27th 2009 at 5:16 PM
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xcr440
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xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
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oven cleaner, brake cleaner or anything with a good foaming action. I personally use a bench grinder with a light touch to the wire wheel. It works very well.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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October 27th 2009 at 11:01 PM
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Polaristhewayout
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I think you aren't supposed to use anything more coarse than a scotch brite or it will take off the special coating on the guillotines (sp?) but if xcr440 has had good luck then maybe it's ok.
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October 27th 2009 at 11:29 PM
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PolarisPuglia
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yeah ive heard to be pretty gentle with them as well.
2004 PRO-Xr 440/800 mod, c&a's, vforce reeds, more coming soon...
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October 28th 2009 at 6:11 AM
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xcr440
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xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
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Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
I think you aren't supposed to use anything more coarse than a scotch brite or it will take off the special coating on the guillotines (sp?) but if xcr440 has had good luck then maybe it's ok.
When I bought my sled there wasn't much of a coating. I do the foaming action cleaner but if that doesn't work I then go to the wire wheel. You do have some small aluminum dust but nothing bad. no chunks or large deposits.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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October 28th 2009 at 6:17 AM
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Ugly_old_Poo_kid
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I use brake or carb cleaner, and a brass wire brush.. Cleans 95% off on the first pass, then scrub a little on what's left and it comes off.
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October 28th 2009 at 3:33 PM
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Polarisboy99
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I use a citrus degreaser/cleaner that i found at NAPA along with a maroon scotch brite pad. it works pretty well
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October 28th 2009 at 10:39 PM
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Polaristhewayout
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Quote originally posted by xcr440
Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
I think you aren't supposed to use anything more coarse than a scotch brite or it will take off the special coating on the guillotines (sp?) but if xcr440 has had good luck then maybe it's ok.
When I bought my sled there wasn't much of a coating. I do the foaming action cleaner but if that doesn't work I then go to the wire wheel. You do have some small aluminum dust but nothing bad. no chunks or large deposits.
Yeah I know what you mean. I think the only reason to be "gentle" is because if the coating gets wore off than it gets to be filled with gunk quicker. As long as you clean them every year (which I assume you do) it shouldn't be that big of a deal.
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October 30th 2009 at 5:05 PM
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Redd
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Ok.used oven cleaner and worked great on my Pro X 600.(2003)
Will the gue on the inside of the head burn out?
Also this is my first time with cleaning them do to the fact that
I just bought both sleds, does the angle part face towards the graound?
I know that the guy I got it from said he only cleaned them once so I would rather go through them myself so I know. They were gummed up good enough that I had to fight the gue a little to get them out.
1 more thing, what exactly are their function.
Plaease bare with me I don't claim to know everything, but I am a quick learner.
Thanx, Redd
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October 30th 2009 at 10:34 PM
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Polaristhewayout
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I believe the angled part goes toward the ground on the guillotine. As long as you can slide it in and out you have it in the right way. I think they adjust the porting somehow as the temp changes. I'm probably wrong though about the porting thing being the main point of them.
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October 31st 2009 at 2:02 AM
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FastPolaris
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mineral spirits. then i use a spinning wire brush and carefully clean them.
ride hard, you can rest when you die
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October 31st 2009 at 9:35 AM
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xcr440
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xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
Updated Yesterday at 10:49 PM
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Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
I believe the angled part goes toward the ground on the guillotine. As long as you can slide it in and out you have it in the right way. I think they adjust the porting somehow as the temp changes. I'm probably wrong though about the porting thing being the main point of them.
The valve raises as the exhaust pressure over comes the spring pressure. Temps have nothing to do with. The valve raises the exhaust port height at high rpm.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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October 31st 2009 at 10:16 AM
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Redd
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Quote originally posted by xcr440
Quote originally posted by Polaristhewayout
I believe the angled part goes toward the ground on the guillotine. As long as you can slide it in and out you have it in the right way. I think they adjust the porting somehow as the temp changes. I'm probably wrong though about the porting thing being the main point of them.
The valve raises as the exhaust pressure over comes the spring pressure. Temps have nothing to do with. The valve raises the exhaust port height at high rpm.
LOL, I found that post this morning!
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November 1st 2009 at 1:59 AM
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Polaristhewayout
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Actually yeah know that you say that it is so that the engine can "breathe" better at higher rpms
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November 1st 2009 at 3:07 AM
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TRICKPaint
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I soak my R.A.V.E. guillotines in kerosine over night and use an old tooth brush on them. Works great. I clean them once or twice a season; Every Fall and then again in the middle of the season if I have put 600 + miles on. I run Amsoil Interceptor synthetic also. I think that also helps.
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November 1st 2009 at 12:10 PM
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Polaristhewayout
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Yeah, synthetic is about the only way to go with these I think.
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November 1st 2009 at 12:38 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
Updated Yesterday at 10:49 PM
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My bro and rents use citgo sean and snow with nearly as clean of valves as my klotz use. SO I beleive the syn use isn't as big as a deal as people want you to beleive.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 3rd 2009 at 7:06 PM
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Floyd33
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I like to use a maroon scotch abrasive pad on an air powered die grinder tool. Works excellent without having to use solvents. Only takes a minute or so per valve.
The valves vary the effective height of the exhaust port(depending on cylinder pressures)to maintain peak power and performance throughout the entire rpm range.
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