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Having trouble with my new helix
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November 1st 2009 at 6:45 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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I cant get the new helix in right on my sled, I'm kinda confused about how much tension i should put on the secondary (like when you spin it) and i was also having trouble getting the key to line up and for the helix to go over it, and now that i have it, it's jammed. should i spray wd-40 in it and try again tomorrow? And the snap ring that goes over it is a b***c to get on and take off so I'm going to bborrow some better snap ring plires from the school. Can anybody git me some advise?
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 1st 2009 at 8:43 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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And I can't get the primary off.
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 2nd 2009 at 6:56 AM
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KRSS144
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The primary...do you have the "right" clutch puller? tighten it all the way and then I use an impacted wrench just a quick shot, then tap the puller with a hammer and it should just fall right off.
QUOTE(JeremyZ3 @ Jan 27 2009, 04:38 PM)
F*** YOU ATLEAST I AINT A JEWISH XC JUNK OWNING ASS F***ER
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November 2nd 2009 at 4:08 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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I got the secondary back together and on she sled, for the primary, yes it's the right puller, and I don't have an impacted wernch but i could tighten it as much as i can then tap it with a hammer?
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 2nd 2009 at 4:15 PM
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Quote originally posted by weakeboarderboy
I got the secondary back together and on she sled, for the primary, yes it's the right puller, and I don't have an impacted wernch but i could tighten it as much as i can then tap it with a hammer?
yes try it, if it doesnt work, borrow sumones impacted or take your sled to where one is.
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November 2nd 2009 at 5:17 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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I got it taken apart, put the new spring in it, put it on the sled, put the belt on, lifted th track onto a stand, fired it up and the belt doesnt catch, anyone know what i did wrong?
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 2nd 2009 at 6:36 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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And I didn't change the weights because the ones from the kit and the ones on it were the same
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 2nd 2009 at 8:07 PM
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redhot
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Belt doesn't catch? Do you mean primary doesn't engage?
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November 2nd 2009 at 8:44 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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yeah thats what i mean
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 2nd 2009 at 8:49 PM
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xcr440
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did you preload the spring in the secondary??
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 2nd 2009 at 8:56 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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Yeah, but evn if I didn't, the primary would engage and the track would spin, right? I didn't really do much to the primary though, just take the cover off and put the new spring in it..
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:02 PM
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redhot
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Are you sure you're revving it high enough for the clutch to engage? And you're POSITIVE the weights are the EXACT same, they just don't look similar?
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:07 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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They both look exactly the same and both say 10/AT << or something like that I don't remember but they both did say the same thing.
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:21 PM
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redhot
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Did you buy a new or used clutch kit? What does the paperwork list for an engagement rpm? It only takes like 5 minutes to swap to the other weights. The weights already in the clutch haven't been modified (ie. ground heel)? Whatever your problem is, it has to be simple, CVT clutches are some of the simplest things ever to work on, (work on and tune are two different things).
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:24 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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The kit is new and it said engagement is 3500-4000 and i reved it a bit past 5. I guess I'll tke it apart again tomorrow and see if i did anythig wrong and I'll change the weights.
Thanks.
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:24 PM
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xcr440
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Quote originally posted by weakeboarderboy
Yeah, but evn if I didn't, the primary would engage and the track would spin, right? I didn't really do much to the primary though, just take the cover off and put the new spring in it..
no, the belt might slip on the secondary. Can't really mess up the pri. Pretty straight foward.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:30 PM
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redhot
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Quote originally posted by xcr440
Quote originally posted by weakeboarderboy
Yeah, but evn if I didn't, the primary would engage and the track would spin, right? I didn't really do much to the primary though, just take the cover off and put the new spring in it..
no, the belt might slip on the secondary. Can't really mess up the pri. Pretty straight foward.
How can the belt slip in the secondary if the primary doesn't even engage? Putting the buggy before the horse...
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:40 PM
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xcr440
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true. I thought it was engaging. You need to pull the cover and see what is hanging up. What springs did they send you.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:43 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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Red for the primary, Purple for the secondary.
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:57 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 has to go through the snowmobile trailer....sleds will be north next weekend.
Updated Thursday at 1:45 PM
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12574 Posts
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that is a high engagment epi spring 145/300, are the weights different profile??
belt width?? belt might be too narrow???
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 2nd 2009 at 9:59 PM
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redhot
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It could be that some redneck in the past has modified the weights in there right now, either lightened them or ground the heel to raise the engagement rpm to impress his other redneck friends...I'd bet if you compare the weights in the sled and the ones they sent you you'll be able to spot a difference pretty quickly...Let us know what you find out
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November 3rd 2009 at 6:58 AM
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KRSS144
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OK when tearing apart your clutch did you check the buttons? Did you take out the weights and check the fittings where they sit? Did you check the helix to make sure its not wearing out funny or any dents/scratches in it?How did you clean your clutches? Brake cleaner, parts cleaner, hot soapy water? How did the spyder look? No cracks?
Did you use "acitone" (sp) to clean the clutches when done with no finger prints? I think someone mentioned before but did your secondary clutch snap back together when you where done assembling it?
QUOTE(JeremyZ3 @ Jan 27 2009, 04:38 PM)
F*** YOU ATLEAST I AINT A JEWISH XC JUNK OWNING ASS F***ER
Goodwin Performance clutch kit,Boysen Reeds,1" Track,192 Stud Boys studs,Extra idler wheels,Thunder Products-extra air vents,SLP boost bottle,SLP Airhorn,Walker Evan rear Piggy Back shock,2 SLP Flow Right Intake,Rumble Pack can,PowerMadd 3" pivot riser w/6" riser block,custom made straight bar,PowerMadd handguards,PowerMadd SS extended throttle cable,RSI hand grips and SS brake line,hood vents yellow,Custom seat
04 SXVenom (Little ladies)
99 Banshee
Red Frame,.40 over Vitos Super Stock Piston Kit,Vitos Needles,
T5 pipes/silencers,Tusk nerf bars,K&N Air Filter,22" ITP Mud Lites
14/41 Gearing
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November 3rd 2009 at 4:36 PM
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weakeboarderboy
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I took it apart again, this time I changed the weights, they are the same but I did it anyways. Put it back together and started it and reved it past 6000 rpms and and the clutch still didn't engage.. The old helix was fine, the buttons were fine, The fittings where the weights st were fine, and I cleaned it with break cleaner.
92 Indy 650- Powermadd hand gaurds, 3" Powermadd bar riser, Electropods, 9.5 in. windshield, EPI clutch kit, Red recoil handle.
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November 3rd 2009 at 9:24 PM
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redhot
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Cool...I'd throw that old spring in and try it. If it ain't the new spring malfunctioning it would almost have to be junk bushings then I think...You did tighten the clutch on the crank right? Hey, I got to ask...
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November 3rd 2009 at 9:39 PM
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Pharotek
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Quote originally posted by redhot
Cool...I'd throw that old spring in and try it. If it ain't the new spring malfunctioning it would almost have to be junk bushings then I think... You did tighten the clutch on the crank right? Hey, I got to ask...After reading this Thread I was thinking the same thing could be it's on incorrectly(seeing how you had trouble knowing how to take it off)and the crank is just spinning inside the clutch. You said you didn’t use an impact to remove it. How did you get enough force on the retaining bolt for the clutch to remove it? What method did you use to keep it from spinning? Maybe you damaged something during this process and over looked it? This might be something to think about if you are putting it back on correctly.
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