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Looking at an '04 XC SP 800
- What are your thoughts?
started by gs470
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November 6th 2009 at 9:53 AM
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gs470
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Hi guys. I'm new to your forum, but have been riding for over 20 years. I currently have a bone stock '98 Ultra with the Xtra-12 that I bought brand new. It's got less than 3000 miles on it and has been a great sled. But now I've got the itch to buy something a little newer, but I don't want to break the bank, so I'm focusing on Edge chassis sleds. I like trail riding and like to hit it pretty hard in the twisties, but I'm in my mid 40s now, so I'm not going nuts.
I may go look at an '04 XC SP 800 with about 2500 miles on it. The guy claims it's in great shape and is asking $3600.
What do you think about this sled? I've read about some problems with the cranks in the 800s, but how common are these problems? How many miles can you typically expect out of these motors? Anything else to keep in mind?
Thanks for your help.
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November 6th 2009 at 10:41 AM
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constantiarider91
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Location: constantia, new york, USA
Current Sled: 2001 xc sp 800
2008-2009 Miles: 4200 miles
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i just bought an 01 xcsp 800 they seem like well built sleds and ive heard about the crank case going but i think if u maintain them and keep it stock u wont have a problem sleds run forever when there stock
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November 6th 2009 at 10:56 AM
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Sledman74
CANDU is the right choice for Ontarios Power needs
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Location: Kitchener, ON, Canada
Current Sled: 2004 XC 800
2008-2009 Miles: 1100
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I have a 2004 XC SP 800, its a great sled, I had to replace the VES slides, the originals were not strong enough and broke at the neck (like mine did) but other than that it works great.
I average about 1200 miles a year no real issues.
Toys Own and Owned
1985 Indy Trail 440 - sold with 7500 miles
1987 Indy 600 - sold with 5800 miles
1997 XC 600 - sold with 6500 miles
2002 Edge X 700 - sold with 6000 miles
2004 XC 800
1995 Polaris SL 750 PWC
2000 Polaris Sportsman 500 ATV
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November 6th 2009 at 10:59 AM
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Polaris_Parts_MN
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Location: NW minneapolis suburbs, Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 1999 XC 500
2008-2009 Miles: 450
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go for it. pretty low miles and the price isnt terrible. i love the graphics on the 2004 and 2005 edges (unlike the xcsp's during 2002 and 2003, those were really lame and ugly)
1999 Polaris XC 500
-holeshot skid plate
-fox reservoir front track shock
-fox front shocks
-xenon low-beam bulb (very helpful at night)
Just add gas and snow!
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November 6th 2009 at 11:31 AM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 is drinking high lifes polishing the sleds. Who wants to help....
Updated Over an hour ago
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Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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Make sure it has the SS exhaust valves. IF not be ready to buy some and put them in.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 6th 2009 at 12:25 PM
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recla
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great sled. with his CK my brothers runs his at 7800 rpm with 5500 miles on er. hes debating on getting the case machined for an oversise bearing because, they do have a crank problem..
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November 6th 2009 at 1:46 PM
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gs470
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Thanks for the feedback, guys.
How can I check whether or not it has the stainless valves? And if I need them, what's a good source and what should I expect to pay?
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November 6th 2009 at 1:51 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 is drinking high lifes polishing the sleds. Who wants to help....
Updated Over an hour ago
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12578 Posts
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Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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you will have to pull them out and see if they are aluminum or ss. Prepare to pay quite a bit for the valves. I don't remember off hand but I think they were in the $70 range. A polaris dealer can get them for you or try babbits or ronnies
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 6th 2009 at 2:29 PM
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shady800x
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shady800x -20 degree weather...land is getting ready for snow!
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Location: Kipnuk, alaska, USA
Current Sled: '03 Edge-X 800
2008-2009 Miles: not sure
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the aluminum valves are lighter then the steel obviously. that's one way of checking. and they are about 70 a piece like what xcr440 said. pretty good machine stock. but the machine is thirsty. if you really want that machine to hook up get a clutch kit for it. also about at 5-6000 miles replace the water pump bearings. when the water pump failed, i had to spend a whole lot replacing a cyl, pistons, water pump parts, and that was pretty expensive. other than that. strong engine. its kinda thristy tho.
2003 Edge-X 800
Vforce 3 reeds, Powermadd Boost bottle, updated c.d.i. slp powder pro's, 1.25 predator track, fox racing clicker rear, rydefx center and skis, 1 in handle bar riser, specialty x can. 11.5 in cobra yellow tint windshield, and a sportech yellow tint lightshield.
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November 6th 2009 at 2:29 PM
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polaris1man
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Current Sled: Polaris SKS700
2008-2009 Miles: not many
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Can go 05'06 Fusion chassis for around same price, have to look on Craigslist
Three-1999 Polaris SKS700's
2000 Polaris SKS700
2000 Polaris Ranger 6x6
2007 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI X2
2000 Yamaha YZ 250
1996 Yamaha WR250
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November 6th 2009 at 2:30 PM
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shady800x
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shady800x -20 degree weather...land is getting ready for snow!
Updated This morning at 7:08 AM
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Member Since: August 25th 2005
Location: Kipnuk, alaska, USA
Current Sled: '03 Edge-X 800
2008-2009 Miles: not sure
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the aluminum valves are lighter then the steel obviously. that's one way of checking. and they are about 70 a piece like what xcr440 said. pretty good machine stock. but the machine is thirsty. if you really want that machine to hook up get a clutch kit for it. also about at 5-6000 miles replace the water pump bearings. when the water pump failed, i had to spend a whole lot replacing a cyl, pistons, water pump parts, and that was pretty expensive. other than that. strong engine. its kinda thristy tho.
2003 Edge-X 800
Vforce 3 reeds, Powermadd Boost bottle, updated c.d.i. slp powder pro's, 1.25 predator track, fox racing clicker rear, rydefx center and skis, 1 in handle bar riser, specialty x can. 11.5 in cobra yellow tint windshield, and a sportech yellow tint lightshield.
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November 6th 2009 at 2:40 PM
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Quote originally posted by polaris1man
Can go 05'06 Fusion chassis for around same price, have to look on Craigslist
Right on! Some sweet deals on 600 Fuses that are stellar performers in a rider forward chassis.
No Brain No Pain
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November 6th 2009 at 5:43 PM
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gs470
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Thanks for the replies.
Shady800x - When you say "thirsty", what kind of mileage are you talking about? My Ultra seems to get around 10-12mpg. Does an 800 like fuel more than an Ultra?
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November 6th 2009 at 6:08 PM
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powersledder
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Current Sled: 07 IQr
2008-2009 Miles: No Speedo
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Quote originally posted by Thinksno
Quote originally posted by polaris1man
Can go 05'06 Fusion chassis for around same price, have to look on Craigslist
Right on! Some sweet deals on 600 Fuses that are stellar performers in a rider forward chassis.
Not to go off topic here but the fusion is hardly a rider forward chassis....
And as P1man said, there are a lot of deals to be had out there on newer sleds. I don't think I'd go over $3k, if that, on the sled you described.
Polaris 800HO monoblock cylinder for sale PM me with offers
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November 6th 2009 at 6:17 PM
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barney
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800's were notorious for snapping the big end on the crank.
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November 7th 2009 at 12:37 AM
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shady800x
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shady800x -20 degree weather...land is getting ready for snow!
Updated This morning at 7:08 AM
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Member Since: August 25th 2005
Location: Kipnuk, alaska, USA
Current Sled: '03 Edge-X 800
2008-2009 Miles: not sure
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Quote originally posted by gs470
Thanks for the replies.
Shady800x - When you say "thirsty", what kind of mileage are you talking about? My Ultra seems to get around 10-12mpg. Does an 800 like fuel more than an Ultra?
i'm guessing about the same milage, well maybe better, in good conditions. the faster the machine goes, the less gas it uses. mainly in cruising speed. which is about 60-80mph. generally the triples use less gas then a twin. almost 4 stroke like. my crank never broke. only seized the engine once, due to a failed water pump. thought it was frozen carbs. i was wrong. so far i spent so much money on it over the years, enough to purchase a new snowmachine. what i like to say about machines, ''you take care of it, it takes care of you.'' my snowmachine is going to be 7 years old in 2 weeks. i wonder what birthday present i should get it. lol
2003 Edge-X 800
Vforce 3 reeds, Powermadd Boost bottle, updated c.d.i. slp powder pro's, 1.25 predator track, fox racing clicker rear, rydefx center and skis, 1 in handle bar riser, specialty x can. 11.5 in cobra yellow tint windshield, and a sportech yellow tint lightshield.
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November 7th 2009 at 1:52 AM
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powersledder
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Location: Houghton, MI, USA
Current Sled: 07 IQr
2008-2009 Miles: No Speedo
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Quote originally posted by gs470
Thanks for the replies.
Shady800x - When you say "thirsty", what kind of mileage are you talking about? My Ultra seems to get around 10-12mpg. Does an 800 like fuel more than an Ultra?
It all depends on how you have it set up. Gearing and clutching is a big factor on fuel economy.
If you're a trail rider but your sled is set up with too low of a gear ratio you're going to be cruising at a higher rpm then needed, thus lowering your mpg's. So if fuel economy is something you're worried about gear tall.
Polaris 800HO monoblock cylinder for sale PM me with offers
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November 7th 2009 at 2:47 PM
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gs470
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It sounds like this sled is stock except for an aftermarket silencer. So assuming factory gearing/clutching, should it be pretty well suited for trail riding?
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November 7th 2009 at 4:01 PM
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shady800x
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shady800x -20 degree weather...land is getting ready for snow!
Updated This morning at 7:08 AM
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197 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: August 25th 2005
Location: Kipnuk, alaska, USA
Current Sled: '03 Edge-X 800
2008-2009 Miles: not sure
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yea it's well suited. i used to water skip with it too. baptized it once lol. didn't happen again. i seriously need to get the clutches rebuilt. haven't touched them and i am curious on how it will perform with aftermarket clutching. was thinking of the new team secondary clutch for it. along with the primary kit for it. from what i hear, more power will get on the ground with the kit.
2003 Edge-X 800
Vforce 3 reeds, Powermadd Boost bottle, updated c.d.i. slp powder pro's, 1.25 predator track, fox racing clicker rear, rydefx center and skis, 1 in handle bar riser, specialty x can. 11.5 in cobra yellow tint windshield, and a sportech yellow tint lightshield.
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November 8th 2009 at 12:18 PM
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Polaris_Parts_MN
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Location: NW minneapolis suburbs, Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 1999 XC 500
2008-2009 Miles: 450
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Quote originally posted by powersledder
Quote originally posted by gs470
Thanks for the replies.
Shady800x - When you say "thirsty", what kind of mileage are you talking about? My Ultra seems to get around 10-12mpg. Does an 800 like fuel more than an Ultra?
It all depends on how you have it set up. Gearing and clutching is a big factor on fuel economy.
If you're a trail rider but your sled is set up with too low of a gear ratio you're going to be cruising at a higher rpm then needed, thus lowering your mpg's. So if fuel economy is something you're worried about gear tall.
how can i adjust clutching to set up the sled for better fuel economy. (i'll be working with a 2008 IQ 700, stock with 64gram weights and a black/green primary spring)
and when you say gear tall, what do you mean? is that like getting a larger gear on top and a smaller one on bottom?
1999 Polaris XC 500
-holeshot skid plate
-fox reservoir front track shock
-fox front shocks
-xenon low-beam bulb (very helpful at night)
Just add gas and snow!
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November 8th 2009 at 5:44 PM
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gs470
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Well, this sled is gone. After agreeing to a price and making verbal agreement Saturday evening, I call the guy this morning (Sunday) to finish things off and he tells me he sold it to someone else. His story is that someone came along with cash Saturday night after he said it was mine. I'm sure he sold it for more than the agreed to price he had with me, but we had a deal.
So, my search continues. Thanks for the help.
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November 8th 2009 at 5:50 PM
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Polaris_Parts_MN
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Current Sled: 1999 XC 500
2008-2009 Miles: 450
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Quote originally posted by gs470
Well, this sled is gone. After agreeing to a price and making verbal agreement Saturday evening, I call the guy this morning (Sunday) to finish things off and he tells me he sold it to someone else. His story is that someone came along with cash Saturday night after he said it was mine. I'm sure he sold it for more than the agreed to price he had with me, but we had a deal.
So, my search continues. Thanks for the help.
that really sucks, but you cant blame him. a sled is for sale until its sold. and sold means its paid for or money is put down on it. when i sell a sled, i never hold it for someone until he puts a few hundred down and pays for the rest when he takes it away within a week.
1999 Polaris XC 500
-holeshot skid plate
-fox reservoir front track shock
-fox front shocks
-xenon low-beam bulb (very helpful at night)
Just add gas and snow!
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November 9th 2009 at 10:24 AM
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Sledman74
CANDU is the right choice for Ontarios Power needs
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115 Posts
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Member Since: November 17th 2008
Location: Kitchener, ON, Canada
Current Sled: 2004 XC 800
2008-2009 Miles: 1100
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the next deal will be just around the corner!
Toys Own and Owned
1985 Indy Trail 440 - sold with 7500 miles
1987 Indy 600 - sold with 5800 miles
1997 XC 600 - sold with 6500 miles
2002 Edge X 700 - sold with 6000 miles
2004 XC 800
1995 Polaris SL 750 PWC
2000 Polaris Sportsman 500 ATV
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November 9th 2009 at 2:16 PM
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Polaris_Parts_MN
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Location: NW minneapolis suburbs, Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 1999 XC 500
2008-2009 Miles: 450
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^^^right on. might even find something you want more
1999 Polaris XC 500
-holeshot skid plate
-fox reservoir front track shock
-fox front shocks
-xenon low-beam bulb (very helpful at night)
Just add gas and snow!
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