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Rear Suspension Oddity
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November 6th 2009 at 11:33 PM
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atvman29
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Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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I finally finished getting my rear suspension back in after replacing the inside idler wheel and when all was said and done, the rear springs can't even hold the back end up! As soon as I sit on it, it bottoms all the way out by a long shot. I checked my springs and they seem to be sitted correctly, they're just not providing hardly any force! How could this happen? Before the rear end was fairly stiff. The only thing I have different from when I took it out is the front limiter straps are set a little looser, but that shouldn't affect the rear, should it?
Its just strange. When I lift the back end and let it go, it just falls to the bottom of its travel. Its a 97 XC 440 w/ Xtra-10 and has less than 4000 miles on it.
Any ideas? Worst case scenario, I'll make a new bracket to mount the front of the rear springs higher to increase the resistance.
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 6th 2009 at 11:53 PM
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xcr440
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Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
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pics??? springs on the blocks??
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 6th 2009 at 11:57 PM
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atvman29
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133 Posts
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Member Since: August 17th 2009
Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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Quote originally posted by xcr440
pics??? springs on the blocks??
Yeah, they are! Its strange!
I'll go take some pics......
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 12:14 AM
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shady800x
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shady800x -20 degree weather...land is getting ready for snow!
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how is the shocks on it? and did you put back everything where it belongs?
2003 Edge-X 800
Vforce 3 reeds, Powermadd Boost bottle, updated c.d.i. slp powder pro's, 1.25 predator track, fox racing clicker rear, rydefx center and skis, 1 in handle bar riser, specialty x can. 11.5 in cobra yellow tint windshield, and a sportech yellow tint lightshield.
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November 7th 2009 at 12:19 AM
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atvman29
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133 Posts
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Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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Quote originally posted by shady800x
how is the shocks on it? and did you put back everything where it belongs?
Yeah, the only things I undid were the front limiter straps, and the cross brace that holds the center idler wheels. The front shock was disconnected too, but that's on there fine. I didn't touch anything out back that I can remember.
Pics are uploading....
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 12:27 AM
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shady800x
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shady800x -20 degree weather...land is getting ready for snow!
Updated Yesterday at 7:08 AM
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Member Since: August 25th 2005
Location: Kipnuk, alaska, USA
Current Sled: '03 Edge-X 800
2008-2009 Miles: not sure
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it seems to me that you missed something on there. it shouldn't be doing that if you put back everything obviously.
2003 Edge-X 800
Vforce 3 reeds, Powermadd Boost bottle, updated c.d.i. slp powder pro's, 1.25 predator track, fox racing clicker rear, rydefx center and skis, 1 in handle bar riser, specialty x can. 11.5 in cobra yellow tint windshield, and a sportech yellow tint lightshield.
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November 7th 2009 at 12:37 AM
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atvman29
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Member Since: August 17th 2009
Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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Here's some pics and a vid of me lifting, then releasing it.
http://s596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/...spension/?
I guess I'll look though everything a little closer tomorrow, but I can't think of anything I missed!
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 12:54 AM
[ Modified November 7th 2009 at 1:01 AM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
Updated Over 2 hours ago
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12582 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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I'll look tomorrow at mine but those rods don't seem to be in the right location???
Looks like it's the only hole. hmmm, not sure at the moment.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 7th 2009 at 1:01 AM
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XLT96rider
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Location: Wausau, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 1996 Polaris XLT Special
2008-2009 Miles: 1000+
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I agree, something just doesn't look right and I only have an Extra 12 to look at. Was there a lot of tension when you hooked the long end of the spring back on to the spring sliders?
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November 7th 2009 at 1:09 AM
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atvman29
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133 Posts
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Member Since: August 17th 2009
Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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Quote originally posted by xcr440
I'll look tomorrow at mine but those rods don't seem to be in the right location???
Looks like it's the only hole. hmmm, not sure at the moment.
The rods that run parallel on each side of the back shock? I didn't remove them so if they're wrong, it was how it always was.
Quote originally posted by XLT96rider
I agree, something just doesn't look right and I only have an Extra 12 to look at. Was there a lot of tension when you hooked the long end of the spring back on to the spring sliders?
Yeah, there was quite a bit of force from the springs. But I guess I've never felt a fresh set to judge them by. 
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 2:30 AM
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shady800x
Junior Member
shady800x -20 degree weather...land is getting ready for snow!
Updated Yesterday at 7:08 AM
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197 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: August 25th 2005
Location: Kipnuk, alaska, USA
Current Sled: '03 Edge-X 800
2008-2009 Miles: not sure
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does that rear limiter strap supposed to be lose like that?
2003 Edge-X 800
Vforce 3 reeds, Powermadd Boost bottle, updated c.d.i. slp powder pro's, 1.25 predator track, fox racing clicker rear, rydefx center and skis, 1 in handle bar riser, specialty x can. 11.5 in cobra yellow tint windshield, and a sportech yellow tint lightshield.
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November 7th 2009 at 1:40 PM
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atvman29
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Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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Quote originally posted by shady800x
does that rear limiter strap supposed to be lose like that?
They're loose because the springs aren't extending the suspension nearly enough to use them! I'll have some time in the next couple of hours to go take a peek at it again.
Could my springs just be that smoked? Maybe the suspension was jammed up earlier? If that's the case, I'm going to make those lifters because there's no way I'm taking that all out again! 
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 2:50 PM
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KingPrat
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2008-2009 Miles: 200
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Are your springs tensioned in the correct direction? It almost looks like they're pulling the suspension down
2000 XCSP 700: Edge rear suspension, 1.25 Ripsaw, 144 Accord Racing Warthog ZXP studs, Sportech Decals, Stripped Tunnel, 3" Riser, Gutted Airbox, Boyesen Rave Valves
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November 7th 2009 at 2:55 PM
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atvman29
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133 Posts
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Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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Quote originally posted by KingPrat
Are your springs tensioned in the correct direction? It almost looks like they're pulling the suspension down
Yes, they are tensioned in the correct direction. There is some resistance, just not nearly enough.
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 3:05 PM
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old_school
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In one of your pictures it looks like the front/bottom end of the rear shock is way to low in the skid. I think it's supposed to be above the rails and it looks like it's down close to the bottom. Do you have the pivot arm swung down instead of up? If so, that is your problem.
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November 7th 2009 at 3:10 PM
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atvman29
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Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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Quote originally posted by old_school
In one of your pictures it looks like the front/bottom end of the rear shock is way to low in the skid. I think it's supposed to be above the rails and it looks like it's down close to the bottom. Do you have the pivot arm swung down instead of up? If so, that is your problem.
Hmm, that I don't know for sure, is the pivot arm connected to the base of the rear shock?
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 3:11 PM
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old_school
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Is the front shock in the correct position? I think there are two different mounting locations for the front/top end of the front shock.
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November 7th 2009 at 3:13 PM
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atvman29
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Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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Quote originally posted by old_school
Is the front shock in the correct position? I think there are two different mounting locations for the front/top end of the front shock.
I had put it back in the same position it was in before, which I believe was the lower/front one.
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 3:14 PM
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old_school
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Quote originally posted by atvman29
Quote originally posted by old_school
In one of your pictures it looks like the front/bottom end of the rear shock is way to low in the skid. I think it's supposed to be above the rails and it looks like it's down close to the bottom. Do you have the pivot arm swung down instead of up? If so, that is your problem.
Hmm, that I don't know for sure, is the pivot arm connected to the base of the rear shock?
Yes I believe the front/bottom end of the rear shock connects to a pivot arm. Is this a short track xtra 10 or a 133/136?
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November 7th 2009 at 3:16 PM
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atvman29
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Member Since: August 17th 2009
Location: Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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Quote originally posted by old_school
Quote originally posted by atvman29
Quote originally posted by old_school
In one of your pictures it looks like the front/bottom end of the rear shock is way to low in the skid. I think it's supposed to be above the rails and it looks like it's down close to the bottom. Do you have the pivot arm swung down instead of up? If so, that is your problem.
Hmm, that I don't know for sure, is the pivot arm connected to the base of the rear shock?
Yes I believe the front/bottom end of the rear shock connects to a pivot arm. Is this a short track xtra 10 or a 133/136?
Short track. I'll run out and take a look at that pivot arm in a few minutes.
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 4:43 PM
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atvman29
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Current Sled: 97 Polaris 440 XC
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I've added some pics including pics of the lower shock mount. Is that pivot the C shaped piece? That doesn't look like something I'll be able to bring up w/o taking everything apart again, is it? :(
http://s596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/...uspension/
2006 Arctic Cat DVX 400
-Holeshot HD Tires
-Pro-Armor Bullhorn Bumper
-Powermadd Trailstar Handguards
-Arctic Cat Nerf Bars
-Full Skid Plates
-Rath Racing Grab Bar
1997 Polaris XC 440
-Plastic Skis
-Studded Track
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November 7th 2009 at 5:51 PM
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NathanFrier
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Current Sled: 2001 Polaris Edge X 600
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u rebuild the shocks? or is the sled on dollys?
2001 Edge X 600
1994 XLT 580
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November 7th 2009 at 7:05 PM
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old_school
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Quote originally posted by atvman29
I've added some pics including pics of the lower shock mount. Is that pivot the C shaped piece? That doesn't look like something I'll be able to bring up w/o taking everything apart again, is it? :(
http://s596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/...uspension/
Yep, that's what I thought, you have the pivot swung down instead of up. At worst you would just have to take out the rear mounting bolts and drop the back of the skid down, but I think if you just take loose the shock and coupling rods you can probably swing it back up and reconnect them. Once it's where it belongs, the coupling rods keep it from over-pivoting and swinging down like that.
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November 7th 2009 at 7:59 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
Updated Over 2 hours ago
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12582 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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November 7th 2009 at 8:39 PM
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old_school
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Quote originally posted by xcr440
Heres my 97.
Looks like I was wrong on the pivot location. Yours looks the same as the OP's. Does it swing down from that location when the suspension compresses?
On the longer xtra 10 the shock mount pivot is pretty much straight up when the suspension all the way up and pivots forward when it compresses.
atvman29, sorry for leading you in the wrong direction.
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