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December 3rd 2005 at 9:50 AM
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CanadianXCR
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definetly a 97 moto ski man...another thing to confirm this is the IFS sticker on the trailing arms and the different coolant resevoir and cap. Looks decent though...That SLP boost bottle looks i dentical to the Power Madd one i just bought.
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December 3rd 2005 at 10:10 AM
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moto-ski-man
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I will take a look to see what weights are in the machine today, but I also have the adjustable ones that are in a box and a set of S53 weights in a box as well. I dont have much knowledge yet in weights and all but I am sure I will get the hang of it now that I have this machine. I have began cleaning under the cab to remove all of the dirt and tarnish on the aluminum and I was wondering if there is any tricks to getting the head nice and polished. I have been using a liquid metal polish but it is really hard to get it polished with a rag so I was just wondering what everyone else uses. Thanks.
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1998 Polaris XC700 w/ mbrp race can
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December 3rd 2005 at 10:36 AM
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CanadianXCR
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you could probably use those small buffer wheels for drills/dremels to work that sucker up nice...they are cheap too..use it with the polish..
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December 3rd 2005 at 12:51 PM
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moto-ski-man
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Ok thanks, I have a dremel, I will pick up some buffer wheels and give that a shot.
I was wondering what I should jet the machine for if im in usually driving in 0 to -25 degrees Celcius, since the machine is running way to rich right now and im fouling plugs in -5 weather. Thanks.
1980 Moto-Ski Mirage II 377cc
1998 Polaris XC700 w/ mbrp race can
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December 3rd 2005 at 1:18 PM
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CanadianXCR
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well i know the stock jetting is 360 mains with a 45 pilot. Air screw 1.5 turns out.. I am running 350 mains with a 45 pilot and air screws 1 turn and it seems to run pretty good until you get around that -5C zone.. give that a try and go from there..
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December 3rd 2005 at 4:18 PM
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moto-ski-man
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I just put in new spark plugs and I have noticed that the machine runs good when I start to drive it, but then after a couple minutes it starts to run sluggish, it will idle very low, and will bog until the revs get high enough to where the clutch engages but will still run sluggish. I am wondering if it could possibly be the cdi or coil?
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December 3rd 2005 at 6:57 PM
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nope, sounds like a fuel problem for sure...coil or cdi you have no spark most likely...another thing i noticed on your sled was the air box foam, my 98 has the foam in the hood, and just a surround on the air box..pull your carbs off and clean them, check your jetting and work from there...
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December 3rd 2005 at 7:15 PM
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Make sure you use either Champ BR9ES or Ngk R2NC plugs.(Note, the codes might be switched around, I cannot correctly rememeber which is which) When you remove your airbox have a look to the fuel filter. You should see it once you remove the airbox, and see if its dirty. Also again I think I read another post that your VES valves you were concerned about them. There is a good chance thoes valves could be pluged. If you are unsure about how to check them and clean them just reply in this thread. Someone will be able to tell you what to doo. I know when I first got my sled and drove it there was a point where I couldn't break 7000rpm cause they were pluged that bad. That could be the probabal reason why you said your sled will only turn out low rpm's. I think you should check your VES first and pull them out. Just be careful not to tear the gasket. I bet you thats what your problem is, your valves.
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December 3rd 2005 at 8:14 PM
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moto-ski-man
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Thanks for all of the help everyone. I probably don't sound too smart about this stuff but it is my first sled with more modern technology compared to my old xlt. I have been trying to find a website that has a how-to on cleaning VES valves with pictures, since I have never seen or done this before. Hopefully that is the problem since it is kind of annoying to just buy a sled and not have it run the way it should. If someone could possibly tell me how, or lead me to a good site that shows how to clean the VES valves that would be perfect! Thanks for all the help again.
1980 Moto-Ski Mirage II 377cc
1998 Polaris XC700 w/ mbrp race can
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December 3rd 2005 at 8:31 PM
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Quote Originally posted by moto-ski-man
Thanks for all of the help everyone. I probably don't sound too smart about this stuff but it is my first sled with more modern technology compared to my old xlt. I have been trying to find a website that has a how-to on cleaning VES valves with pictures, since I have never seen or done this before. Hopefully that is the problem since it is kind of annoying to just buy a sled and not have it run the way it should. If someone could possibly tell me how, or lead me to a good site that shows how to clean the VES valves that would be perfect! Thanks for all the help again.
Hey bro, I was the same way when I bought mine. I learned from watching and that. To clean your VES valves you want to slide the metal clip down on the black caps. Be careful thoe, keep peassure on it with one hand and slowly let it come out, there is a spring in there. Once you take them out you will see on both sides of the bellows where you have to take and allen key. Unscrew the 2 bolts out. Once out the housing my seem tight/hard/stuck. So wiggle it untill it starts to loosing up and SLOWELY try to pull the housing out from the engine. This might be hard if the valves are gummed up. Once you pull them out you will see the valve, it will appear to be back form the carbon. Unscrew the valve from the housing, you will want to hold on to the bellow to do this. Thats the plastic cap, cause the valve screws into that. Once you unscrew it use carb cleaner/gas to clean the valve. The carbon will be hard to get off! Use real fine sandpaper (emmory cloth) to remove it. Also you can try a razor blade but be carful not to scrape the metal, or cut yourself. ONce they are clean look to where the valve sits in the engine. Just above you should see a small tiny hole, spray some carb cleaner or gas down into the hole and that say a paper clip and try to get all the carbon out of the hole. CHeck on the housing just above where the valve screws into the hole you will see a place where it looks kinda like a chamber. Clean that out. That should be it for them. Also check the bellows/rubber in the housing to see if it may by ripped, cause you said you seen exhuast comming from 1 of the valves. If they are good...screw the valve back into the housing and make it snug and turn it untill it is linned up paraelle with the housing. Place the VES back in the hole and screw to tow bolts back in with the allen keys.(Make them tight but dont tighten them as hard as you can!!!) Place the spring in the hole in the top of the valve houing, line it up with the grove in the black cap and pull the clamp back over it. YOu might find that abit tricky but it will come on. Gets easier everytime you do it. I know thats alot but thats how you do em. You sled will feel 10x as better once you have them cleaned. Anymore questions just ask...
Baddeck, Nova Scotia
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December 3rd 2005 at 9:32 PM
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Quote Originally posted by moto-ski-man
I just put in new spark plugs and I have noticed that the machine runs good when I start to drive it, but then after a couple minutes it starts to run sluggish, it will idle very low, and will bog until the revs get high enough to where the clutch engages but will still run sluggish. I am wondering if it could possibly be the cdi or coil?
Go ahead and clean the carbs but I am not so sure thats the issue. I went thru my carbs twice and they are clean as new and I have a similar problem with my sled. Goes like a raped ape for a little while and after I come to a stop the idle drops down and the sled wants to pull itself. I think its a secondary clutch issue. How high is the top of your belt sitting on the secondary? I am going to post this in the general polaris post and hopefully get some feedback. Got a couple other issues as well.
BTW all, I also would be greatfull for a xcr 440 forum.
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December 3rd 2005 at 9:43 PM
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Thanks XCR4403X, I will give it a shot at cleaning the valves, but is there anything you replace each time they get cleaned like a gasket or something, just so I am prepared. Zrxpilot my belt sits a little below or even with the secondary and the adjuster is all the way to 5, but I am picking up a new belt soon since this one is clearly worn, and then I think I am supposed to turn the adjuster back to 3 or when the belt sits 1/8" above the secondary, thats how I did it on my xlt anyways.
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December 4th 2005 at 12:30 AM
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You have the same situation I have. My belt is sitting maybe 1/16" above the top of the secondary when cold and it drops a bit when it gets warm. My thinking is that for some reason the sheaves arent closing together tight enough to keep the belt on top causing the motor to drag and drop down the idle. (note, this is all theory) I think it should be higher than that like an 1/8 to 3/16" but what do I know. I got a new belt and the adjuster is cranked as far tight as it can go. I went into my secondary for the first time in my life. Had no idea what I was looking at. Didnt pay attention to what hole the spring was in (didnt know there were several choices). Spent some time here and decided to put it in the second hole. Maybe thats the problem, the spring is sprung or in the wrong hole. There are also rubber buttons in there that evidently wear out but I have no idea of what a good one is supposed to look like. Wasnt a big job. Monday I am going to tear it apart again, put new rubber buttons and spring in it and confirm which hole the spring is supposed to be in. Its my guess that this will fix the problem.If not, I will have some piece of mind that my secondary is in good shape. Maybe try a different belt like the fella from Canada reccomends. I would have to search for the belt part number.
Anyways, if you figure this out before I do, please post your findings.
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December 4th 2005 at 9:55 AM
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Quote Originally posted by moto-ski-man
Thanks XCR4403X, I will give it a shot at cleaning the valves, but is there anything you replace each time they get cleaned like a gasket or something, just so I am prepared. Zrxpilot my belt sits a little below or even with the secondary and the adjuster is all the way to 5, but I am picking up a new belt soon since this one is clearly worn.
If you can remove the valves without tearing the gasket that would be good so you can put them back in and try the sled out to see what effect it had. But I would recomend if you did buy new gaskets for next time you have to clean them. By the looks of the pic I seen of your engine, looks like theres a good amount of oil that came out over time and probably weakened the VES gaskets. Also if you are going to get a new belt make sure you get the 074 and not the 067.
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December 4th 2005 at 1:36 PM
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moto-ski-man
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The previous owner was just at my house to show me a few things about the machine and we figured out that the spark plug wire had came loose from the plug cap, which explains the way it ran, I'm just glad it was that because I thought it was going to be the coil. When I buy a belt how come you recommend the 074 over the 067? What is the differance between the two? Thanks.
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December 4th 2005 at 3:03 PM
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74 belt is alittle wider and longer. It is the updated belt we are supposed to use.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
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woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
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December 4th 2005 at 3:18 PM
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i took a look at my belts, both are the "074" belt...seem to be a bit of a harder compound as well?? If you are doing the VES valves spend the 15 bucks and get new gaskets and o rings...ZRX pilot i have my secondary set in hole #3 for the spring...I think that is the stock setting...
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December 4th 2005 at 3:29 PM
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Quote Originally posted by CanadianXCR
i took a look at my belts, both are the "074" belt...seem to be a bit of a harder compound as well?? If you are doing the VES valves spend the 15 bucks and get new gaskets and o rings...ZRX pilot i have my secondary set in hole #3 for the spring...I think that is the stock setting...
I don't think it is necessary to replace the o-rings all the time. I have never replaced mine. Neither of them have cracks in them. Just always replaced the gaskit every 2x I would clean the valves. I found the secondary setting in hole #3 is what works best with mine. Do you know what helix you are running moto-ski-man?
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December 4th 2005 at 3:45 PM
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http://www.snowmobilefanatics.com/forum/...C_ID=36498
hit this up for VES cleaning instructions.....i finally got off my butt and put it up..
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Thanks CanaidianXCR...thats helpful...
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December 4th 2005 at 5:03 PM
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no problem...its too hard to try and explain..
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December 4th 2005 at 5:30 PM
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Thanks for the instructions on how to clean the power valves CanadianXCR, that is very helpful with the pictures. No XCR4403X, I am not sure what helix is in my machine as I have not taken the secondary apart yet. I was wondering what everyone is running for jets as well, mine has 330's in it and it seems to be pretty rich for the -5 degres celcius weather we have been having.
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December 4th 2005 at 5:46 PM
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CanadianXCR
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with 330's it should not be rich at all for that temp. 330's might be a bit too small for that sled, i wouldn't drop lower than a 340. My sled with 350's in it starts to run rich right around -2 or -3. it really rips around -19 or -20. Any colder and I will have to go up one size to be safe.
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December 4th 2005 at 6:13 PM
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xcr440
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Stock was 360. I am runnig 350.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
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December 4th 2005 at 6:33 PM
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moto-ski-man
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Ok thanks for the help everyone, as soon as I can get my machine into the garage I am going to take the carbs apart and have a look. I have almost had it with this machine though, it runs good with fresh plugs in it but then after a couple minutes it just starts to load up and run on one cylinder, leaving one of the plugs wet. I have no clue what could be causing this but am really starting to get frustrated since sometimes it will run for a a good 20 ride to the park and back without having a problem, which also confuses me.
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