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January 12th 2009 at 10:49 PM
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NickJ
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1247 Posts 
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Member Since: March 31st 2005
Location: Little Falls, MN, USA
Current Sled: 1999 XCR 440
2008-2009 Miles: 583
2009-2010 Miles: 0
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Still getting hesitation, right before valves pull open. Belt deflection and ride height in secondary are good. I also drew a line on the sheaves of both the primary and secondary clutches. The secondary was completely gone all the way to center. And on the primary only about 1/8"-1/4" of line left at the very outside of the sheave. So both clutches are completely shifting out. I think both springs are just getting weak.
99' XCR 440 (GEN II)
96' YAMAHA YZF 600
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January 12th 2009 at 11:19 PM
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tnmemr
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Quote originally posted by XC8HUNDY
Got a question about clutch weights. My boys 91 XC 400 Calls for 10M weights, the guy that had it before me has 2 10M weights and 1 10M5. What is the differance and which should be in there. It has a blue spring. And what belt should I be running? It has a 3211042 on it now. I should mention that it has a what I believe to be a 94 XCR SP motor in it. The head cover says XCR special on it and it has the coolant neck bolted to the triangle. Would that head cover fit on the O.G. motor? I need to know because I need to get head o-rings for it and need to know which ones to order. Thanks
The 10M & the 10M5 are supposed to be identical. I don't go that way. I weigh, match, and balance my weights. The 042 belt is correct. You can also run an 045. It is a closer tolerance belt than the 042.
Nick, It still sounds like your sled is upshifting too quickly. How is the jetting? Remember that you have a very small window, 1 jet size either way, with these sleds for aggressive clutching. I'm working on my Tempa Flow and when I get it dialed I will be moving to the UFOs and will let you know what i come up with. It sounds like you lost a lot of responsiveness when you removed the UFOs.
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January 13th 2009 at 3:18 PM
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stpanson
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Location: Dassel, MN, USA
Current Sled: none
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NickJ- we tried shortening the springs temporarily with small zip ties, clamped about 3 coils together toward the top. It seems to pass through the hesitation range more easily, but there is a slight trace left. We're replacing a throttle cable right now, and then we'll check the timing again. I was wondering if the timing could be a slight bit off, or if the mag/flywheel need to be re-torqued.
Not sure what exactly caused it- ran great after the new crank/rebuild. Started one day in powdery snow, so that looked like the culprit at first.
It sounds like a very quick stutter- no bog or miss sound, and doesn't last more than a few quick "taps."
sledless yooper
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January 14th 2009 at 9:06 AM
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Is anybody running the cylinders P/N 3021011 on their 97 XCR 440. It looks as though they were only used on the 1997 release and not on the 98. Were there issues with these jugs? Any info on the cylinders would be awesome.
I've never had a ten But I've had 5 two's
GARAGE FULL OF WEDGIES
1998 XC 700
1998 XC 600
1998 XCF 440
1997 SKS 700
2003 Pro X oops thats an "edgie"
1976 tx 340
1972 colt 340
1974 John Deere 400
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January 14th 2009 at 9:14 AM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 has to go through the snowmobile trailer....sleds will be north next weekend.
Updated Thursday at 1:45 PM
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Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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The 97's were or were supposed to be taken back to the dealer to have them replaced with an updated engine. You reused your head cover, recoil, ignition, oil pump and ves system.
There was runability issue with the 97 engine, so polaris pulled it for some $$.
I don't remember how much. Ask P-man about his. He's the one that told me all this. I thought I had the 97 engine because my recoil was still the 97 #'s. But after checking my cylinder #'s. I could see where things were changed.
What are you trying to do.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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January 14th 2009 at 9:54 AM
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I would think that if there was something wrong with them that Polaris would have replaced the P/N with the new or show them as NLA. It still shows as a good P/N on the Poo parts site.
I found 2 brand new cheap. I have a old 98 motor I bought to use as parts I'm thinking of bringing her back to life. Right now I have a XCR/XC chassis with no powerplant.
I've never had a ten But I've had 5 two's
GARAGE FULL OF WEDGIES
1998 XC 700
1998 XC 600
1998 XCF 440
1997 SKS 700
2003 Pro X oops thats an "edgie"
1976 tx 340
1972 colt 340
1974 John Deere 400
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January 14th 2009 at 10:25 AM
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I just noticed on Poo parts that it is marked NLA. I am able to get a refund if I can't use them. Does anyone know what the issues were with the cylinders?
I've never had a ten But I've had 5 two's
GARAGE FULL OF WEDGIES
1998 XC 700
1998 XC 600
1998 XCF 440
1997 SKS 700
2003 Pro X oops thats an "edgie"
1976 tx 340
1972 colt 340
1974 John Deere 400
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January 14th 2009 at 6:54 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 has to go through the snowmobile trailer....sleds will be north next weekend.
Updated Thursday at 1:45 PM
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12570 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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Only thing I know is that the engine didn't "perform" what ever that means??
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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January 15th 2009 at 10:26 AM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 has to go through the snowmobile trailer....sleds will be north next weekend.
Updated Thursday at 1:45 PM
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12570 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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Whats my sled worth?? who wants it??
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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January 15th 2009 at 11:47 AM
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CanadianXCR
New Ice Ripper!
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1642 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: December 18th 2004
Location: Barrie, ON, Canada
Current Sled: 1998 XCR 440
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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Sir your not selling are you? Times are tough but hang in there!
98 XCR 440 / Woodys / Hot Seat Performance / Shock Pros / Cobra / Sportech / Fox / TEAM / Camoplast Ice Ripper
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January 15th 2009 at 12:03 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 has to go through the snowmobile trailer....sleds will be north next weekend.
Updated Thursday at 1:45 PM
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12570 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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No need for it, don't use it. It's mid january and I have yet to start it.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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January 15th 2009 at 1:33 PM
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Horse_024
Outside the Mainstream
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24 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 8th 2009
Location: Mt. Calvary, WI, USA
Current Sled: 1994 440 XCR SP
2008-2009 Miles: 524
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damn, I would look into it but I'm just a poor collage kid.. anyways I put in a new secondary spring and mine now runs much better. Put spring in number 2 hole on helix so I still got room to play with 
Killing folks is easy. Being politically correct is a pain in the a**!
My Definition of a Real Tree Hugger-
A Hybrid vehicle wrapped around a tree
The calander says spring, but my heart says winter.
The day 2 strokes die, part of me will too.
-1994 440 XCR Special-
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January 16th 2009 at 3:57 PM
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XC8HUNDY
Starting Member
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38 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 27th 2008
Location: Plover, WI, USA
Current Sled: 01 XCSP 800
2008-2009 Miles: 250
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O.K., tried to do a comp. test and both cylinders build comp, close to 115 pounds and it will not hold it. It drops pretty quick. What would cause this? I pulled the y-pipe and pipe to blast and paint it and noticed a milky white liquid coming down both sides of the Y. Most likely coolant mixed with oil. Would a head o-ring cause the bad comp. test? The engine is a 94 XCR SP. Also will any polaris p-85 primary fit on this engine? Are all the crank shaft tapers the same, if not what clutch can I look to get to put on this thing?
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January 16th 2009 at 6:57 PM
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Quote originally posted by XC8HUNDY
O.K., tried to do a comp. test and both cylinders build comp, close to 115 pounds and it will not hold it. It drops pretty quick. What would cause this? By experience, A bad or non sealing o-ring on the gauge hose.
I had a head gasket go on a RXL I owned and it pushed anti freeze out of the bottle.
I've never had a ten But I've had 5 two's
GARAGE FULL OF WEDGIES
1998 XC 700
1998 XC 600
1998 XCF 440
1997 SKS 700
2003 Pro X oops thats an "edgie"
1976 tx 340
1972 colt 340
1974 John Deere 400
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January 16th 2009 at 10:18 PM
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xc600rmk
Friend of Fast
xc600rmk need info on the exciter!!
Updated Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
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2046 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: March 27th 2007
Location: Albion, NY, USA
Current Sled: 04 Pro-X 600,98XC600rmk
2008-2009 Miles: 1,700ish
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wow got my jugs back today from the porter who did um. i think shes gonna wake up a lil more now. i was gonna put in new pistons while it was apart. i mean it runs good now just wnt to put the "brand new" ported jugs on. Should i go with polaris pistons? or another brand. who used what on theirs before? btw it was 2 degrees tonite and the lil 440 was fricking ripping, did about 1000 foot pass and shut her down and plugs looked perfect. I have it on the fat side already but i know it wont blow this weekend.
*04 Pro-X 600-A few mods,and go-fast parts.......136" x 1.25" this winter
*98 XC600 and some RMK add ons-The sons ride this winter
*98 XCR440 and some SKS add ons------SOLD :-(
*83 Polaris Star 250
*90 Yamaha Exciter---Wanna trade even up for an Indy Trail,Or any Indy of equal Value!!
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January 18th 2009 at 10:43 PM
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tnmemr
Red
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Got a few miles on the 440 this weekend. Engagement is a little low, 4900-5000 with a new HSP black. Going to try an almond/gold. After installing the tempa flow with 370 mains BELOW the shelf, on the bottom half of the air box, with the Tempa Flow screw 1/16 turn clockwise from dot, just a little bit lean. Temps on EGTs just over 1220. Plug color looked ok as did piston wash. Going to install 380s and should be good to -30* F. 159 nozzles a little to lean for steady trail riding. Going to try the 286s. Then on to the UFOs. The Team with 66/44-.46 red/blue and 3 delrin washers works great on the trails. Never a bog from lack of backshift. Haven't been on a stretch long enough to really see how the top end is. 0-85 is good though. It does seem to wear on the soft 074 belt a little more. Can smell belt on take off but maybe will be better when I get the engagement where it needs to be. Clutches are running very cool though. How are your sleds running?
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January 19th 2009 at 11:20 AM
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my 1995 xcr 440 is constantly fouling the right plug, any info would be good
****in sweet xcr 440
ported polished
bored out
2' paddle track
licence plate
hood
raditors
seat
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January 19th 2009 at 12:50 PM
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Horse_024
Outside the Mainstream
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24 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 8th 2009
Location: Mt. Calvary, WI, USA
Current Sled: 1994 440 XCR SP
2008-2009 Miles: 524
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Quote originally posted by Xc440r
my 1995 xcr 440 is constantly fouling the right plug, any info would be good
What plugs are you running?
Killing folks is easy. Being politically correct is a pain in the a**!
My Definition of a Real Tree Hugger-
A Hybrid vehicle wrapped around a tree
The calander says spring, but my heart says winter.
The day 2 strokes die, part of me will too.
-1994 440 XCR Special-
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January 19th 2009 at 4:33 PM
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THE_Norwegian
:)
THE_Norwegian got some SLP powder pro skis in the mail today :-D.
Updated Yesterday at 5:32 PM
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Group: Members
Member Since: January 29th 2008
Location: Norway
Current Sled: ET 340 and XCR 440
2008-2009 Miles: 2500KM :-D
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whats the stock spring for the driven clutch in a 1992 xcr ? :)
its the stock spring and the sled has 14000 kms :P i think it might be a good idea to change it :)
and does it have the p 85 or p 90 clutch, and whats the difference ?
thanks -,-
* XCR 440 *
"I`m not picking my nose.. I´m porting my head!"
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January 21st 2009 at 4:07 PM
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CanadianXCR
New Ice Ripper!
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1642 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: December 18th 2004
Location: Barrie, ON, Canada
Current Sled: 1998 XCR 440
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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Quote originally posted by tnmemr
Got a few miles on the 440 this weekend. Engagement is a little low, 4900-5000 with a new HSP black. Going to try an almond/gold. After installing the tempa flow with 370 mains BELOW the shelf, on the bottom half of the air box, with the Tempa Flow screw 1/16 turn clockwise from dot, just a little bit lean. Temps on EGTs just over 1220. Plug color looked ok as did piston wash. Going to install 380s and should be good to -30* F. 159 nozzles a little to lean for steady trail riding. Going to try the 286s. Then on to the UFOs. The Team with 66/44-.46 red/blue and 3 delrin washers works great on the trails. Never a bog from lack of backshift. Haven't been on a stretch long enough to really see how the top end is. 0-85 is good though. It does seem to wear on the soft 074 belt a little more. Can smell belt on take off but maybe will be better when I get the engagement where it needs to be. Clutches are running very cool though. How are your sleds running?
Good to hear, my helix is still on B/O.... I went for my first ride today, put on about 60 miles. First bit of riding the sled felt a little slower than normal, started thinking maybe the new track or twin carbide skis is slowing it down a bit?? Nope, filled up with fresh gas and holy hell she was back! Sled ran great and no trouble to report on. Need to adjust my limiter strap a bit but thats about it. Got stopped at a ride check and the cops were more interested in the sled than my papers, red rocket always seems to turn heads. 
98 XCR 440 / Woodys / Hot Seat Performance / Shock Pros / Cobra / Sportech / Fox / TEAM / Camoplast Ice Ripper
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January 22nd 2009 at 5:44 AM
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Quote originally posted by Horse_024
Quote originally posted by Xc440r
my 1995 xcr 440 is constantly fouling the right plug, any info would be good
What plugs are you running?
NGK BR9ES
****in sweet xcr 440
ported polished
bored out
2' paddle track
licence plate
hood
raditors
seat
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January 22nd 2009 at 7:23 AM
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xc600rmk
Friend of Fast
xc600rmk need info on the exciter!!
Updated Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
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2046 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: March 27th 2007
Location: Albion, NY, USA
Current Sled: 04 Pro-X 600,98XC600rmk
2008-2009 Miles: 1,700ish
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drain that side of the crankcase,maybe its filled with fuel. theres a small 10mm bolt on the bottom front half of the case below the exhaust. Theres one on the left and right,pull it out and see if fuel runs out. A drizzle is ok but a stream is not,be carefull not to lose the washer behind it and tighten them up after it drains,they need to be snug ,not super over tight.Upon start up you might foul 1 more plug before it cleans itself out of the remaining amount of fuel in there.Let us know what you find.
My sons 98 XCR440 seems to be loading up a lil bit,It started last night about half hr into it when he was riding.Prob something simple anyone have it happen to them? It almost feels like the fuelpump is seeping thru the vent since i had the carbs apart this yea and leaned everything out,and have about 5-600 miles on it this season with no probs.
*04 Pro-X 600-A few mods,and go-fast parts.......136" x 1.25" this winter
*98 XC600 and some RMK add ons-The sons ride this winter
*98 XCR440 and some SKS add ons------SOLD :-(
*83 Polaris Star 250
*90 Yamaha Exciter---Wanna trade even up for an Indy Trail,Or any Indy of equal Value!!
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January 24th 2009 at 10:33 PM
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tnmemr
Red
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xc600rmk,
Have you lined up the 600 vs. the 440? If so, what happened?
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January 25th 2009 at 10:13 AM
[ Modified January 25th 2009 at 10:20 AM
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xc600rmk
Friend of Fast
xc600rmk need info on the exciter!!
Updated Last Sunday at 12:00 PM
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2046 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: March 27th 2007
Location: Albion, NY, USA
Current Sled: 04 Pro-X 600,98XC600rmk
2008-2009 Miles: 1,700ish
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anyone need an engine,looks like a 98 heres the item number on ebay 350156251867
I was gonna bid on it for a spare,but thought somebody might really need it on here. Quote originally posted by tnmemr
xc600rmk,
Have you lined up the 600 vs. the 440? If so, what happened?
VS my 600? i get him outta the hole,but mine is geared down alot with the larger track, give him about 1000+ feet and he starts to go by me .Im kinda worried about him beating me all together when i put the ripsaw on his lol,but then again he only weighs 90lbs to my 230lbs,and his sleds lighter. IDK the top speed on his since it has a speedo delete,but mine reads 95ish and i cant catch him,if anything hes still pulling away.We did that lil test last year on a sweet aprox 2 mile cut soybean field.His head is big and he tells everyone how he beat me,the lil f**ker.
*04 Pro-X 600-A few mods,and go-fast parts.......136" x 1.25" this winter
*98 XC600 and some RMK add ons-The sons ride this winter
*98 XCR440 and some SKS add ons------SOLD :-(
*83 Polaris Star 250
*90 Yamaha Exciter---Wanna trade even up for an Indy Trail,Or any Indy of equal Value!!
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January 25th 2009 at 5:20 PM
[ Modified January 25th 2009 at 5:21 PM
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xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 has to go through the snowmobile trailer....sleds will be north next weekend.
Updated Thursday at 1:45 PM
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12570 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
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I finally got mine out. I rode it to our radar run track we were setting up.
I can get about 70 mph out of it with the aaen roller and the hsp 50/36s. I think I am going to scrap that helix it has been nothing but problems and hsp is no help at all. I talked to jeremy and it hasn't fix a thing.
Going to put the aaen white and their 50/36 in it and try it out.
Also have the stock clutch with a R8 and orange hsp spring.
Going to see which one is the best and go from there.
When running the aaen and hsp helix I only had about 1/8" of the helix on the rollers.
Ok back to the running. It ran good with the 350's, stock nozzles, 1/4 turn before the dot. Plugs were medium chocolate brown almost perfect. Did a check of them running home friday night at around 0f or coldernot sure but I know it was cold that night. Same color. Going to leave the T-flow where it is right now. Only issue I had was I could turn over 8500 rpm on a calibrated tach.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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