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Snowmobile Fanatics Server Project
started by erick
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June 15th 2006 at 9:36 PM
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erick
Alternate Realities
erick pretty much excited that it's Friday, though there are no plans for the weekend yet!
Updated Friday at 11:45 AM
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11495 Posts 
Group: Administrators
Member Since: April 10th 2001
Location: Strathcona, MN, USA
Current Sled: IQr 800 & RMK 800
2008-2009 Miles: 800
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Hello all,
We are in the process of changing some things around here in the near future. I'd like everyone to take a look here:
http://www.snowmobilefanatics.com/server...nation.asp
We would like to try and get something going for this coming winter. It will benefit everyone who visits this site. Please keep an eye on this topic for future update.
Thank You!
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Group: Site Supporters
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June 15th 2006 at 9:39 PM
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erick
Alternate Realities
erick pretty much excited that it's Friday, though there are no plans for the weekend yet!
Updated Friday at 11:45 AM
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11495 Posts
Group: Administrators
Member Since: April 10th 2001
Location: Strathcona, MN, USA
Current Sled: IQr 800 & RMK 800
2008-2009 Miles: 800
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Here's what I had in mind. I'm posting it a second time because it's big and I didn't want it all on the homepage.
For hardware I’d like to use server grade parts. I had in mind a motherboard to support socket 771 Intel Xeon 5050 (Dual core, 3 gHz). The boards out there for this chip are dual socket boards, so I can add another chip in the future (which I highly anticipate doing). I will start out with no less than 4 GB of RAM, DDR2 to be more specific. The motherboard I’m thinking of has a build in SATAII RAID controller which supports up to 6 disks In a RAID 5 configuration. I would build a 6 disk RAID 5 array, probably with six 160 GB SATAII Disks. This will make for a total storage capacity of about 800 GB. I know, that’s a lot of space, and more than what we need but if I were to go down to 80 GB disks it would only save a very small amount of money. With the 6 disk array, read and write performance will be very fast. To go along with that will be a 2U rack mount server case with enough room to hold everything.
You’re probably wondering why I want such beefy hardware. Well, perhaps my software configuration can tell you a little more of why. I plan on using a virtualization technology called XEN. It is a Linux based kernel which allowed a person to run virtual machines, or in other words multiple instances of operating systems, simultaneously. This machine would be, at a minimum, running a version of Linux and two instances of Windows Server. The Linux installation would be used for serving up static content to the site (pictures, videos, etc). One of the instances of Windows would be used to provide database services via SQL Server 2005 Express. The other instance of Windows would be the actual application server, which would process all of the requests for pages from the users. Both versions of Windows will be stripped down to run as cleanly as possible. The nice thing about using XEN to run virtual machines of Windows is that I can back up things by simply creating snapshots of an installation. If something goes wrong, I can just start over from my snapshot. I can also create new virtual machines for testing if I’m going to migrate things over to a new version of windows. This will allow me to test and serve production data all on the same machine without having to worry about windows giving me grief. All of this looks very promising. The old server will be formatted with a version of Linux to be used as a proxy caching box which will sit in front of the new server. Requests from users will go directly to the proxy and then pages from IIS and content from Apache will be requested by the proxy box for the user making the request. The users will not actually interact directly with the new server. This will allow the new server to work less hard and handle many more unique requests since a lot of data can then be cached on the proxy server.
With all that said, some are still wondering why I simply don’t switch 100% over to Linux. Honestly, I’d really like to and would in a heartbeat if Linux natively supported asp.net 2.0 and c#. I like programming in Visual Studio 2005 and I like the features that asp.net 2.0 and c# provide me with. It works very well, and I’ve already started developing the next version of the website in these technologies.
What I have in mind in terms of hardware and software configurations will give us the best of both worlds here and be a significant improvement over what we already have.
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June 15th 2006 at 10:10 PM
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ripperd
kick@$$
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7425 Posts 
Group: Members
Member Since: November 7th 2001
Location: Brooklyn Center, MN, USA
Current Sled: 07 Rev 600 mod
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I'm kindof an AMD fanboy myself, so here is what I would reccomend:
Tyan Thunder K8SE (S2892) mainboard (dual opteron)
1x Opteron 270 (can add another on this board)
2x 2GB ECC REG DDR 400 (add another 2 with another proc)
Chenbro RM217 2U rackmount chassis.
Raid 5 with 6 drives is getting to be 3ware/highpoint territory I think, especially if you want low cpu utilization. What board exactly did you have in mind?
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June 15th 2006 at 10:17 PM
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erick
Alternate Realities
erick pretty much excited that it's Friday, though there are no plans for the weekend yet!
Updated Friday at 11:45 AM
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11495 Posts
Group: Administrators
Member Since: April 10th 2001
Location: Strathcona, MN, USA
Current Sled: IQr 800 & RMK 800
2008-2009 Miles: 800
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How does the price of the AMD server lines compare to that of Intel? Does it support hardware assisted virtualization like the Intel VT extensions?
Read more about XEN here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen_(virtual_machine_monitor)
(You'll need to copy and paste the second link)
I need hardware assisted virtualization to be able to run Windows under XEN.
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June 15th 2006 at 10:30 PM
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ripperd
kick@$$
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7425 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 7th 2001
Location: Brooklyn Center, MN, USA
Current Sled: 07 Rev 600 mod
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I think the AMD server stuff ends up being a couple hundred cheaper, especially when doing dual cpu setups. AMD does not appear to have hardware virtualization in any of their current processors, but they have it planned for their next generation. Their version of it will be called Pacifica.
From what I have read and seen once you go quad core (dual-dual core or quad cpu) the AMD hypertransport really kicks the Intel FSB's a$$. But if you need hardware virtualization it doesn't sound like AMD will have it on the shelves until at least this fall or winter would be my guess.
Seems like as much as AMD made the boat on the 64-bit and memory bandwidth stuff, they are going to miss it on the virtualization. Virtual machines especially Vmware are getting very popular it seems.
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June 16th 2006 at 8:54 AM
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FireTitan
Starting Member
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33 Posts
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Member Since: June 2nd 2006
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Nice NIce,,,, MORE RIDES LOL
When the going gets tough....
The tough gets going ....
Winners train...Losers Complain
"Mater, you know like tomater except without the TuH"
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June 16th 2006 at 9:55 AM
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Sounds good Erick, I've definitely noticed a slowdown during high traffic situations. I sent you the spare change I had sitting in my Paypal account.
Cause I don't give a rats about who took second or 12th for that matter your just the next loser in a long line of many losers.
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June 16th 2006 at 11:31 AM
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erick
Alternate Realities
erick pretty much excited that it's Friday, though there are no plans for the weekend yet!
Updated Friday at 11:45 AM
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11495 Posts
Group: Administrators
Member Since: April 10th 2001
Location: Strathcona, MN, USA
Current Sled: IQr 800 & RMK 800
2008-2009 Miles: 800
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Thanks for your donation!!
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June 16th 2006 at 11:32 AM
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Xx08BRAAAPPP22xX
Loving the pro-x!!!
Xx08BRAAAPPP22xX nights are getting nice and cold but now it's got to stay like that through out the whole day on into December!
Updated Tuesday at 4:59 PM
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6669 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 20th 2005
Location: Taberg, New York, USA
Current Sled: 04 Pro-X 600
2008-2009 Miles: 1,960
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ill be sending some when i get some money
Polaris Pro-X=Sledgehammer, and every bit as tough as one!
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE...Getting it wrong since 1870
"There might be a foot of ice but there is 400ft of water, let me take my helmet off so I can swim." -ACM
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June 16th 2006 at 6:10 PM
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nathanw24
Scaffologist with a PHD in erections
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1370 Posts 
Group: Members
Member Since: November 8th 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada
Current Sled: 94 polaris indy 440
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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just donated hope this things gets up and going soon...erick you also should have said sometihng like dont be afraid to go over 1500 lol better servers are always nicer that and you could also upgrade the old server a little bit
My Collection:
1994 polaris indy 440
1965 kawasaki J1T totally redone frame and exterior waiting to locate some engine parts
1993 Suzuki intruder
1997 Chev Cheyenne 1500 extended cab
Quote Originally posted by Polaris-Man
If you don't follow this procedure, you will be regarded as a fairy and it will earn you a raping in the bathroom from other people of your type.
seincerly Guy
http://media.baventures.com/ispy/ads/150...eaders.gif
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June 18th 2006 at 12:19 PM
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So Erick,
I think I have the solution for this as well as future budget needs of the site.
I know that the advertising fee I pay on here is about 1/2 to 1/3 of what it really should be for a site with the number of hits that you get here. 99% of those hits are from people in my direct target market.
So what we need to do, is to put together a media pack to send to people in the sled industry to get them to advertise on here.
Put it together to be able to send out both via E-Mail and through snail mail.
Send it to the big 4 MFGs, all the mail order houses, the aftermarket parts companies, shops, and all that.
Make sure to include the # of hits, the demographics, and all the exposure benefits that they will recieve for advertising on SF.
I'd bet that you could make this into a REALLY profitable thing if you did it right.
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June 18th 2006 at 5:32 PM
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nathanw24
Scaffologist with a PHD in erections
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1370 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 8th 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada
Current Sled: 94 polaris indy 440
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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not to shabby of an idea but you could also do is get some adds into magazines? do like a cross trade thing with them they let you advertise in there magazine you let them advertise on this site? maybe just an i dea i came up with while reading student drivers post
My Collection:
1994 polaris indy 440
1965 kawasaki J1T totally redone frame and exterior waiting to locate some engine parts
1993 Suzuki intruder
1997 Chev Cheyenne 1500 extended cab
Quote Originally posted by Polaris-Man
If you don't follow this procedure, you will be regarded as a fairy and it will earn you a raping in the bathroom from other people of your type.
seincerly Guy
http://media.baventures.com/ispy/ads/150...eaders.gif
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June 23rd 2006 at 8:44 PM
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schunn
Junior Member
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192 Posts 
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Member Since: September 8th 2005
Location: Wales, MI, USA
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Erick,
I have 2 GB of memory laying around. I will get the specs and send them. If they work on your board they are yours. I wish you would have done this 6 months ago, I had a HP DL380 with 8GB and 6 73GB disks that I got rid of. If I run across anything at the office, I will let you know.
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June 23rd 2006 at 11:15 PM
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ripperd
kick@$$
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7425 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 7th 2001
Location: Brooklyn Center, MN, USA
Current Sled: 07 Rev 600 mod
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I did a little more research and it sounds like the newest Opterons that are in the works will have hardware accellerated virtualization. They will be on "Socket F" and will be availiable this fall. They will be availiable as dual cores with quad-cores coming out next year.
-Dean
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June 26th 2006 at 11:53 AM
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erick
Alternate Realities
erick pretty much excited that it's Friday, though there are no plans for the weekend yet!
Updated Friday at 11:45 AM
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11495 Posts
Group: Administrators
Member Since: April 10th 2001
Location: Strathcona, MN, USA
Current Sled: IQr 800 & RMK 800
2008-2009 Miles: 800
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Quote Originally posted by schunn
Erick,
I have 2 GB of memory laying around. I will get the specs and send them. If they work on your board they are yours. I wish you would have done this 6 months ago, I had a HP DL380 with 8GB and 6 73GB disks that I got rid of. If I run across anything at the office, I will let you know.
Wow, that would be great. Let me know the specs on that RAM.
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July 5th 2006 at 8:19 PM
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Ultra680
Senior Member
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2235 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: June 5th 2004
Location: Anywhere, Everywhere, USA
Current Sled: 2000 XCR 800
2008-2009 Miles: 1300
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I sent what I could to help build the new server. I wasn't logged in at the time, so the $300 is from me. Hope it helps. Keep up the good work. 
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July 5th 2006 at 8:32 PM
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nathanw24
Scaffologist with a PHD in erections
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1370 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 8th 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada
Current Sled: 94 polaris indy 440
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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ummm 300 or 30 dollers
My Collection:
1994 polaris indy 440
1965 kawasaki J1T totally redone frame and exterior waiting to locate some engine parts
1993 Suzuki intruder
1997 Chev Cheyenne 1500 extended cab
Quote Originally posted by Polaris-Man
If you don't follow this procedure, you will be regarded as a fairy and it will earn you a raping in the bathroom from other people of your type.
seincerly Guy
http://media.baventures.com/ispy/ads/150...eaders.gif
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July 5th 2006 at 8:51 PM
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erick
Alternate Realities
erick pretty much excited that it's Friday, though there are no plans for the weekend yet!
Updated Friday at 11:45 AM
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11495 Posts
Group: Administrators
Member Since: April 10th 2001
Location: Strathcona, MN, USA
Current Sled: IQr 800 & RMK 800
2008-2009 Miles: 800
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Quote Originally posted by Ultra680
I sent what I could to help build the new server. I wasn't logged in at the time, so the $300 is from me. Hope it helps. Keep up the good work.
Ahh, so that's who that was from! You must not had gotten my email that I sent you earlier. Thanks a BUNCH man!
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July 6th 2006 at 5:59 PM
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ripperd
kick@$$
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7425 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 7th 2001
Location: Brooklyn Center, MN, USA
Current Sled: 07 Rev 600 mod
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Hey Erick when you get your exact component list picked out send me the list with your costs. I might be able to pick a part and donate it, or get you some kind of discount on some of the parts.
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July 6th 2006 at 7:05 PM
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erick
Alternate Realities
erick pretty much excited that it's Friday, though there are no plans for the weekend yet!
Updated Friday at 11:45 AM
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11495 Posts
Group: Administrators
Member Since: April 10th 2001
Location: Strathcona, MN, USA
Current Sled: IQr 800 & RMK 800
2008-2009 Miles: 800
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I'll do that. If you can get deals on parts, that would be awesome to save a few dollars.
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July 11th 2006 at 3:18 PM
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Come on guys, %40. That's with 13 people who donated.  Let's keep this train rolling!
Cause I don't give a rats about who took second or 12th for that matter your just the next loser in a long line of many losers.
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July 12th 2006 at 2:23 AM
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Intimdtr77
Infidel
Intimdtr77 has returned!!! (and has a helmet for sale here!).
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2664 Posts
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Member Since: October 5th 2005
Location: Western, NY, USA
Current Sled: 05 600 SDI Renegade X
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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I can't get overfor all the people we have here that we didn't generate the cash already. It's only a few buck guys. Think of it as a 1/2 tank of gas for your sled for this year. Pretend it's winter and you gotta fill up.
"If ya can't fix it, get a hammer. If a hammer won't fix it, get a pry bar. If a pry bar won't fix it, get a bigger hammer. If the bigger hammer doesn't fix it. It belongs there."
Me
Quote Originally posted by Polaris-Man
Give her a pair of slippers and a dildo, if she doesn't like the slippers she can go f**k herself...
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July 12th 2006 at 2:50 AM
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NickJ
Advanced Member
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1247 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: March 31st 2005
Location: Little Falls, MN, USA
Current Sled: 1999 XCR 440
2008-2009 Miles: 583
2009-2010 Miles: 0
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Never really paid attention to this until I saw it today. I figured I spend my share of time here, so I made a donation.
99' XCR 440 (GEN II)
96' YAMAHA YZF 600
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July 12th 2006 at 3:05 PM
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Ultra680
Senior Member
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2235 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: June 5th 2004
Location: Anywhere, Everywhere, USA
Current Sled: 2000 XCR 800
2008-2009 Miles: 1300
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Quote Originally posted by erick
Quote Originally posted by Ultra680
I sent what I could to help build the new server. I wasn't logged in at the time, so the $300 is from me. Hope it helps. Keep up the good work.
Ahh, so that's who that was from! You must not had gotten my email that I sent you earlier. Thanks a BUNCH man!
I came into some extra cash and already rebuilt my own server, and paid off all my bills including my mortgage. I've been watching this website a lot longer than I've been a member. Sometimes I don't check my email for a while. My bad. Thanx for the good work and keep it up.
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July 12th 2006 at 9:29 PM
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shortstop20
I NEED SNOW!!!!
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3839 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: August 9th 2004
Location: Stickney, SD, USA
Current Sled: '09 Summit XP 800R 154" X
2008-2009 Miles: 400
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Donation Sent!
Just think guy all you time you spend here....isn't a $5 or $10 donation the least we could do. It's really pretty cheap if you consider all the info on the forums. You can afford it just don't eat at McDonald's this week.  LOL
2009 Ski-Doo Summit XP 800 154" X package - Quick Clickers, Between the Lines Designs Ice Scratchers, Tunnel & Rail Stiffeners
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