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EGT vs Air/Fuel - Which guage to get? started by bhoward
September 25th 2007 at 11:56 AM
 
bhoward
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Last season I blew up my 2 sleds riding in Denver after a blizzard. Guess my carbs were tuned for the Colorado higher elevation. Anyway, I am getting new pistons and sleeves, etc....

To avoid this from happening again, I have been researching EGT guages and ran across Innovative Technology Air/Fuel mixture guages. They claim to be better than EGT. I see alot of info on EGT ranges, < 1100 too rich and > 1300 too lean. I dont know any ranges for the Air/Fuel mixture. Is there a guidline to go by, so I know when I am running too rich or lean? Any feedback on which product is better?




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September 25th 2007 at 4:45 PM
 
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I beleive the correct Air/fuel ratio for a gasoline engine is 14/1 so 14 parts air 1 part fuel. So it would read numbers in that range. So if it was reading 12/1 it would be too rich, thenif it was 16 it would be too lean. I would personally go with an Air/Fuel mixture guage. They are better then EGT, because it could be too late for your motor when you start seeing hot gasses.



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September 25th 2007 at 10:19 PM
 
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Thanks G-Man, I think I will go with the air/fuel guage.




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November 14th 2007 at 3:46 PM
 
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Get both of them. They egt gauge isnt that much, but an actual air fuel gauge will put you back about 250. Egt is what I use on my race sled. You just have to be sure you have the probe in the right spot and ask the place where you the gauge from what is the recommended temp range.




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December 27th 2007 at 4:44 PM
 
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The Innovative setup is VERY nice, It can be as basic or as advanced as you want it to be. I have one that I use for tuning cars for the 1320'... but I would be slightly concerned about the oil residue from the 2 smoke damaging the o2 sensor (it is a wide band system so it is ~$100 for a new sensor, as opposed to the "typical" $30 narrow band sensor used in most autos)... I would suggest waiting on your purchase until you contact Innovative, or another owner can check their literature and let you know if you can safely use it... It will be a couple weeks before I am "up north" again... but if you don't know by then I can look for you.

BTW - Stoichiometric mixture for a 4 stroke engine is 14.7:1.... IIRC stoich for a 2 stroke is around 12.5




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December 27th 2007 at 5:43 PM
 
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Ok, I have more time now... Stoich for a gasoline engine is 14.7:1, that is what most modern cars are tuned for at idle and cruise ranges because it is the ratio that the engine is most efficient (ie maximum power with minimum emissions and minimum fuel consumption). However at WOT we typically tune slightly rich (~13.5) because the extra fuel prevents detonations from our aggressive timing curves it also helps with cooling the combustion chamber and piston tops (further working to prevent detonation). Use of nitrous, turbos, or super chargers require an even richer mixture. While 14.7:1 will make more power, it is not safe.

So in short "stoich" for a 2 stroke is still going to be 14.7, BUT because the oil mixed with the gas lowers the octane of the fuel (thus increasing the chances of detonation), and the engine runs and high RPMS for extended period of times (increasing heat in the cylinder/combustion chamber and chances of detonation) I know the 2 stroke will require a richer mixture than required for max power... I seem to remember hearing 12.5:1...




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