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144" or 136" ??
- Which conversion to do??
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October 28th 2007 at 2:16 PM
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I'm trying to decide what length I want to stretch my 600 to. I'm planning on using parts from Tracks USA, but don't know if I should go further than I did on my last sled. I liked the 136" over the 121" that I had last time. Made the bumps nicer and better floatation. Now I have a chance to pick up a set of rail extensions for 144" (tip up style) and tunnel extension for a pretty good price. The tip up style would make it like the early Switchbacks... basically 136" on hardpack and 144" in the fluff. Would only go with a 1.25" lug either way... 136 or 144.
I think I've got myself talked into the 144", but I'm not completely sure yet. I'm really concerned about cooling issues. I don't want to overburden my sled. Might have to pick up the extra cooling for the rear of the tunnel.
So, what do you think? Why?
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October 28th 2007 at 2:20 PM
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i would go 144 because you have the tip up so it handles pretty good... and it will soak up the bumps better than the 136. the sled will be much better in the powder than the 136. not to mention that wedge would look sweet with 144 under it... as for the cooler, its a small price to pay for 144
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October 28th 2007 at 2:39 PM
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The 144 is only about 4 inches additional length, I'd go with the 144. Cooling "could" be an issue, which I saw just going to a 136. I'd, at a minimum, make the snow flap longer. See how it runs after that and decide on additional cooling.
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October 28th 2007 at 2:40 PM
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That's exactly what I did to my storm. The storms had extra coolers in the rear of the tunnel anyway. I absolutely love it.
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October 28th 2007 at 2:52 PM
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i believe he was planning on putting it on the XCSP if i'm not mistaken. i dunno i like the idea of having a 144, but i dunno if it suits your riding.
if you do a lot of back country riding with a lot of snow and need that extra flotation then by all means go for the 144. but if you do a lot of trail riding and just want that little extra for off trail when needed, i think a 136 would be the better choice.
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October 28th 2007 at 3:11 PM
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Quote originally posted by 600xcsp
...not to mention that wedge would look sweet with 144 under it... As MX86 says, the extension would go on my current '03 XC 600 SP. The sled in my avatar is just a memory... sadly. That's the previous sled that I stretched to 136". I loved how it handled as a 136".
Quote originally posted by Darkstar
Cooling "could" be an issue, which I saw just going to a 136. I'd, at a minimum, make the snow flap longer. See how it runs after that and decide on additional cooling.
When I went to 136" on the old wedge, I didn't have a cooling issue. Of course, I'd also used an Edge snow flap that I trimmed as I saw fit... so I guess that I'd already fixed the problem without even realizing I'd done it before it became and issue.
Someone on Ebay has the additional cooler that ends in a few hours. They have it listed as an oil cooler!  But the price is already up to about $70... guess I'm being a cheapskate... I just didn't want to pay that much. Why does snowmobiling have to be so damned expensive? 
I'll know by the end of next week which way I decide to go.
Quote originally posted by MX86
i dunno i like the idea of having a 144, but i dunno if it suits your riding.
if you do a lot of back country riding with a lot of snow and need that extra flotation then by all means go for the 144. but if you do a lot of trail riding and just want that little extra for off trail when needed, i think a 136 would be the better choice.
I do as much off trail/back country as I can possibly do... in IOWA! These last few years have been kinda weak when it comes to snow cover, but it's about time for that to change. Plus, I like getting up to northern MN as often as I can (if I don't wreck my sled the week before I'm planning on going). I'd also like to start getting into the UP once in a while.
I guess that's why I was looking at the tipped up style... get the 136" on the trail and the 144" off trail.
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October 28th 2007 at 6:49 PM
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Quote originally posted by 95XCR600
Why does snowmobiling have to be so damned expensive? Because you make it expensive.
Its not so bad when your not always spending more money to mod (or in my case, fix) your sled
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October 28th 2007 at 8:01 PM
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i love my 136, a guy we ride with went to 144 and he is goin back to 136, he said he didnt like the way it handled.idk how it handled ,i never rode it.I dont think a 144 could be that much different but you never know.
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October 29th 2007 at 2:01 AM
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Quote originally posted by crdude
Because you make it expensive.
Its not so bad when your not always spending more money to mod (or in my case, fix) your sled Shhhh! don't tell my wife that!
I suffer from both of those... modding and fixing 
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October 29th 2007 at 6:47 PM
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I did the 144 from tracks usa on my 02 xc800, cooling was an issue!!! if you ran in low snow it over heated every 100'. towed off the lake couple times. I extented the mud flap no good but helped, what helped the most was removing the peice of metal where the flap was originally that was stopping the snow from hitting the coolers. I also installed a rear cooler from a 05 model just because, there was a noted differance in performance in deep snow never could get over the 100mph mark in the powder, can now but Iam ported and piped. by pro 5 all so.
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October 29th 2007 at 8:33 PM
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I wouldn't go longer than 136" if you don't ride in the mountains at all during the year. just my .02
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October 30th 2007 at 12:04 AM
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144 For sure. Not much more than a 136, but floats better. Careful long tracks are addicting. LOL
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October 30th 2007 at 6:56 AM
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Quote originally posted by shortstop20
I wouldn't go longer than 136" if you don't ride in the mountains at all during the year. just my .02
The 144" I'd be using would have the tipped up rails like the '03/'04 Switchbacks had. They advertised this as a 'cross over' machine; good for trails and the fluff.
Are you saying that 144" tracks should only be used in the mountains? Please enlighten me. Why wouldn't I want to use a 144"?
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October 30th 2007 at 8:18 AM
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shortstop20
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I'm just saying there's no need for that much track IMO. Not for your riding style. Different strokes for different folks though, this is JMO. If you have your heart set on 144" just go for it, you may love it.
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October 30th 2007 at 5:47 PM
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I'm not trying to come off as a jerk, just wondering what makes you think the 144" wouldn't be a good choice. I've never been on a sled with longer than a 136" so I have nothing to base my desire on. Except that with the tipped up rails it's supposed to act like a 136" on trails & hardpack, but then be able to perform better in the deeper stuff off trail because of the 144".
I haven't had the opportunity to go riding any other places besides Iowa & Minnesota, but I'm hoping to change that at least once this year. I was thinking Black Hills or maybe the UP... both get more snow than I've seen in a while.
Like I said, not trying to be a pain... just looking for input and reasoning. I don't have my heart set on anything right now, just that I could get a good deal on tunnel and rail extensions if I decided on the 144"... not to mention that I can seem to find 144" x 1.25" tracks all day long, but the 136" tracks are fewer and higher priced. However, I'd rather spend the extra money to buy the 136" rather than spend the money to rebuild a blown engine because I overheated it running the 144"... AND lose riding time.
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October 30th 2007 at 6:03 PM
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what i've seen is the tipped up 144's are pretty easy to turn on the trail (some of ya with 144's could probably agree) the only issues i've really seen is:
1.) when they get stuck and the track and tunnel are packed with snow they are a little more difficult then a 136" to get out.
2.) most people that ride em have ice scratchers on the rails to help in low snow and hardpacked trail just to get that little extra snow into the coolers.
Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the XC have running board heat exchangers?
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October 30th 2007 at 6:04 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, the 144" tipped up rails do handle pretty much like a 136" on the trails.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be a good choice, just maybe not the best choice. I don't know what the conditions are like in the U.P. but you will like having a 144" in the Black Hills if you go riding there. 136" will get you anywhere you want to go in the Black Hills 90% of the time though.
The only reason I have a 144" is for when we ride in the mountains. If I only rode the flatlands(around home in SD) and in the Black Hills, I would own a 136", no question. Yes, the Black Hills are "mountains" technically, but nothing like West Yellowstone, Togwotee, Cooke City, Snowy Range, etc.
I ride the Black Hills 3-4 times a year BTW, that's where my avatar photo was taken.
Bottom line is no matter what length you go with, you will get used to riding it, and after a while won't notice the added length. You can't really go wrong either way. Longer is better, there's no question. How long is something you will have to decide.
Don't let me steer you the other way, you know your riding style and conditions better than I do. Everybody on HCS has 136" Pro-X's, many of them told me the same thing, don't go 144", it's not needed. Well I'm glad I did it, it IS needed for my riding, especially considering my other riding buddy's have 144", 151", 153" and 159".
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October 30th 2007 at 6:09 PM
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Quote originally posted by shortstop20
I'm not saying it wouldn't be a good choice, just maybe not the best choice. I don't know what the conditions are like in the U.P. but you will like having a 144" in the Black Hills if you go riding there. 136" will get you anywhere you want to go in the Black Hills 90% of the time though.
The only reason I have a 144" is for when we ride in the mountains. If I only rode the flatlands(around home in SD) and in the Black Hills, I would own a 136", no question. Yes, the Black Hills are "mountains" technically, but nothing like West Yellowstone, Togwotee, Cooke City, Snowy Range, etc.
I ride the Black Hills 3-4 times a year BTW, that's where my avatar photo was taken.
in the UP it'd be nice having a 144 or even longer. but a 136 will hold it's own, just need to work a little harder  .
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October 30th 2007 at 9:27 PM
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MX86, my XC has the coolers in the tunnel under the seat. Cross over hose under the seat. Which is why I'd really like to find the extra cooler kit that goes in there... especially if I'm going to extend it.
I keep talking myself out of the 144 and into the 136... Like I said before, the stuff for the 144 is a good deal, but in the long run I might just be wasting more money than I need to. So many things to do, so little money! Where is my winning lottery ticket?
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October 31st 2007 at 12:44 AM
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Just wait on eBay until you see the Ultra SPX or XCR rear tunnel coolers. You can rivet them under your tunnel extension and just extend your hoses from your current in-tunnel coolers to them.
You can piddle with the puppies, or run with the wolves...
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October 31st 2007 at 1:14 AM
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I went through what your going through now trying to decide 136" vs 144". Talking to many people last season with crossover sleds led me to believe the 144" is a great setup, but the 136" is better on the trails. Can't wait to try out the 136.
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October 31st 2007 at 2:22 AM
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144 doesn't feel any different then the 136 IMHO. Just floats better when its deep. Do the 144, you won't regret it.
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October 31st 2007 at 6:38 AM
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I ride a lot of trail and lake the 144 I installed made my xc handle better all around, the oem tunnel cooler i payed about 50.00 from a dealer hose's and clamps extra, just remember to remove to extra metal where the flap mounted
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November 1st 2007 at 11:11 AM
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it really all depends on YOU THE RIDER!!! If you mostly trail ride or ride an area with snow issues and have to run on little or no snow sometimes then there is no need for a 144'. If you are a ditch banger and deep snow rider(not just mountians) then the 144' is the way to go. I myself went from a 121' to a 136' then up to a 144' over the past ten years---I will never go back down from a 144'. But as I stated before it all depends on how and where you ride, I put on over 1700 miles last year and I bet less then 300 were on groomed trails. So what you need to do is ask yourseslf if it is really worth it to make this mod. or could you spend the $$ some where else(suspension,skis', engine etc.) and get more bang for your buck!!!!
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November 2nd 2007 at 9:02 AM
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Backwoods, I do spend a good amount of time on the trails around home, but I also do a lot of ditch banging (about half our trails are in the ditches). I do get many chance to dip off trail and slam through the powder (what there has been of it) in the fields. At the very least, I know I will go back to a 136" track. It made a huge improvement on my last sled.
I think I'm going to continue to look for the 136" stuff. If all else fails, I'll just buy a kit from Tracks USA.
PM me if anyone is interested in the 144" stuff, I'll get you in contact with the guy that has it.
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