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Snowmobile industry pricing it's self out?
- Who can or want's to pay $10,000.00 for a middle wt. performance sled!?!
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November 8th 2007 at 9:28 PM
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lens
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I used to buy a new sled about every three to five years; but now I'm done. Ten grand for a sled is just more than I'm interested in spending. The popularity of snocross racing plus four stroke engine development has certainly pushed the technology and along with it the cost. But I don't need to be able to jump small buildings with a sled. I just want to rail the corners and find some powder to play in. It was kind of depressing going to the sno-show at the Mpls Convention Center last year and seeing the price tags on the new sleds. I don't want to leave the sport; but with these prices the sport might leave me.
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November 8th 2007 at 11:15 PM
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Octane
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Member Since: November 16th 2004
Location: Edgerton, WI, USA
Current Sled: '01 Polaris 600 EDGE XR
2008-2009 Miles: 326
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Quote originally posted by lens
I used to buy a new sled about every three to five years; but now I'm done. Ten grand for a sled is just more than I'm interested in spending. The popularity of snocross racing plus four stroke engine development has certainly pushed the technology and along with it the cost. But I don't need to be able to jump small buildings with a sled. I just want to rail the corners and find some powder to play in. It was kind of depressing going to the sno-show at the Mpls Convention Center last year and seeing the price tags on the new sleds. I don't want to leave the sport; but with these prices the sport might leave me.
Its not just 4-stroke engines thats driving up the prices, even 2-strokes are pretty sophisticated nowdays and thats driving up the cost as well.
Dont feel bad, you arent the only one who is keeping an older sled. Where I ride in NE Wisconsin you used to always see a lot of brand-new sleds, but in recent years you are seeing a lot more older sleds than you see new sleds.
With how iffy the winters have been in recent years, people are keeping their older sleds and instead of trading up, they are investing their money in ATVs, motorcycles and boats.
I cant say that I really blame them. Its hard to justify spending the money for a new sled with how pathetic our winters have been lately. At least with an ATV, motorcycle or boat you can be pretty sure you are going to be able to use it, with a sled you really never know from one year to the next if the weather is going to cooperate.
'01 Polaris Indy 600 XC SP EDGE XR
Powermadd articulating bar riser with 2" riser block, Pro-X seat, Pure Polaris handguards with Pure Polaris handguard mounts, red Cobra low sno-x windshield, almond/blue primary spring with 10-60 weights and 121" x 15" x .91 track with 96 studs.
7,300 miles
NGK spark plugs
Citgo Sea and Snow oil
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November 9th 2007 at 4:24 AM
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Aksotar
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an interesting thread....
I have purchased all my sleds via snowcheck and get a new one every 2-3 years, I am selling my 05 900 RMK 151 and getting an 08 700 Dragon RMK 155 (my 1st non snowchecked sled)...
I don't want to buy someones thrasher....
I ride Ak and we are in remote areas a long ways from the nearest road and I sure as heck don't want to break down 100 miles from a road...
furthermore, sleds 7-10+ yrs old would most likely be slowing my friends and I down,they just don't have the suspension,track and power that a new sled has..
I know that many of you will say BS.. but the sled you say will keep up that is old has how many hundred, if not thousand hours of work on them (figure out how many $$ of shop time that would be, your own time is worth $$ too...)and also how many mods.. so,in the end,the 10k number could/would apply to the old ones also....it's a matter of spending 10k for a new one and a season of riding and no troubles or spend a couple of thousand for an old one, a lot of time wrenching and modding and time in the garage after every ride.. to me.. it's about equal in reality...
we have a few of the new sled show off types here but it's THEIR money so what does it matter to me..?? (besides.. you frugal types can buy their gently ridden, shop maintained sleds for cheap in a yr or two, you should THANK them for buying new)
I read ripnchick's post and also took it somewhat personally... I certainly don't fit (or even come close) to "her" description of a new sled buyer...
I work my ass off to be able to buy a new sled.. THATS BEING A FANATIC !!
I could easily say buying old is being CHEAP !! but I didn't because it's different for everyone and anyone that rides is better than someone that doesn't....
I ride Alaska.. where the real fanatics live and ride....
with few exceptions, everywhere else (south of Canada) is a groomed trail ride...
10k is a LOT of money to spend and I agree that it makes it hard to think about buying new, at least up here our season is long enough to feel like we are getting our moneys worth every year... but what can one do about it..???
guess we can all either buy new, used or just bitch about it all, and while all of you post your opinions pro and con about this.. I'll be riding thru 6' of powder this weekend !!!!
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November 9th 2007 at 7:23 AM
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TRICKPaint
Paint that's good for your cranium
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Quote originally posted by Aksotar
an interesting thread....
I have purchased all my sleds via snowcheck and get a new one every 2-3 years, I am selling my 05 900 RMK 151 and getting an 08 700 Dragon RMK 155 (my 1st non snowchecked sled)...
I don't want to buy someones thrasher....
I ride Ak and we are in remote areas a long ways from the nearest road and I sure as heck don't want to break down 100 miles from a road...
furthermore, sleds 7-10+ yrs old would most likely be slowing my friends and I down,they just don't have the suspension,track and power that a new sled has..
I know that many of you will say BS.. but the sled you say will keep up that is old has how many hundred, if not thousand hours of work on them (figure out how many $$ of shop time that would be, your own time is worth $$ too...)and also how many mods.. so,in the end,the 10k number could/would apply to the old ones also....it's a matter of spending 10k for a new one and a season of riding and no troubles or spend a couple of thousand for an old one, a lot of time wrenching and modding and time in the garage after every ride.. to me.. it's about equal in reality...
we have a few of the new sled show off types here but it's THEIR money so what does it matter to me..?? (besides.. you frugal types can buy their gently ridden, shop maintained sleds for cheap in a yr or two, you should THANK them for buying new)
I read ripnchick's post and also took it somewhat personally... I certainly don't fit (or even come close) to "her" description of a new sled buyer...
I work my ass off to be able to buy a new sled.. THATS BEING A FANATIC !!
I could easily say buying old is being CHEAP !! but I didn't because it's different for everyone and anyone that rides is better than someone that doesn't....
I ride Alaska.. where the real fanatics live and ride....
with few exceptions, everywhere else (south of Canada) is a groomed trail ride...
10k is a LOT of money to spend and I agree that it makes it hard to think about buying new, at least up here our season is long enough to feel like we are getting our moneys worth every year... but what can one do about it..???
guess we can all either buy new, used or just bitch about it all, and while all of you post your opinions pro and con about this.. I'll be riding thru 6' of powder this weekend !!!!
There you go, you "AK" guys rubbing it in again "I'll be riding through 6" of powder this weekend!!!!"
That really hurts ya know 
I just don't like seeing the dealerships suffer from these higher priced mid range performance sleds. Maybe not the big dealers who make it up in volume, but the little Mom&Pop dealerships that are not quite in the snow belt like in Ohio where I live. Alaska where it is a basic way of life I suppose price is not as critical. It's sad down here to see people drive 200 miles north of their local dealer to save a few hundered dollars. That's what caused my friends to drop their dealership status. He's doing better now selling used parts and after mkt.!?
I don't judge someone for buying new. Heck I wish there were more!!! And stick to your local dealer if you have a good relationship with them. It will pay off in in the long run. I know I could have saved buying my new sleds buy heading north but I stayed local and it shows in the service and aftersales deals I got.
Oh! have fun on that fresh fluff 
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November 9th 2007 at 7:24 AM
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BISSHYS REPAIR
dragon tammer
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Group: Members
Member Since: February 21st 2004
Location: Kelvington, SK, Canada
Current Sled: 09 dragon 07 600 iq
2008-2009 Miles: 750
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^^^^^^^ that sums it up very nicely
holder to the pin turn left. (dale jr)
09 dragon is here
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November 9th 2007 at 7:52 AM
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polarisrxlrider
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Location: Ovid, MI
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2008-2009 Miles: 375
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I prefer older sleds, usually 10 years or so older. I'm sure my next sled will be a XCR 800.
2000 Polaris 600 XCSP with VES, completely stock, for now...
1993 Polaris Indy Storm
clutched, 800 jugs, DG can, Vforce 3 reeds
1991 Polaris Indy Classic
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November 9th 2007 at 8:09 AM
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FUSION900PA
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Member Since: October 20th 2005
Location: Edinburg, PA, USA
Current Sled: SNOW CHECK 09 D8 SP
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I raced motocross growing up and i always maintained my bikes as best as i could, but when i sold my bike after two years i felt it was beat for what i needed in a motocross bike. You start replacing many parts and bearings maybe even plastics.
I know sleds are not ridden in the dirt but they still get beat pretty good despite good maintainance. I feel like Aksotar i would rather work hard and buy a new sled. I had plans to buy a new sled next but that has been curbed by having a baby. I will definitely get a 2010 howeve i'll just have to save up for another year and ride my sled.
I'm a teacher and so is my wife which means money gets tight but i will save for new iron over a pre owned sled.
"If you ain't first, you're last" Ricky Bobby
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November 9th 2007 at 9:25 AM
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Aksotar
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hey guys !!
sorry if it seems we Alaskans are always flaunting our state... if you should ever come and spend some time here you'd understand why we feel this way and no doubt you'd be joining our ranks...
my Polaris dealer and shop mechanics are all good friends, one does become part of a "family" when you patronize a local shop... it helps the local economy too...
everyone wants a deal and trust me, we complain, bitch then moan and groan about prices here also... but as trick paint said, it is more a way of life here, praticularly in the villages, and our longer season sure helps...
I think the manufacturers will soon find out that they are hitting a peak as far as new prices go and their dealers will again be stuck with stock at the end of the season... not good for the industry let alone the sport....
my dealer doesn't make a big profit from sled sales and I wonder how much the manufacturers make per sled..?? I believe a lot of the extreme prices are because of the heavy product liability and necessary testing and safety checks that they have to do because of all of the piece of **** people out there that want to sue someone because of THEIR OWN STUPIDITY AND LACK OF COMMON SENSE when operating a sled..
instead of accepting responsibilty for their own actions and consequences, they find a sleazy lawyer and try to sue a manufacturer...
I could go on and on....
oh, anytime you guys want to come and make tracks, you have a standing invitation... I'll post some pics from this weekends ride and have a beer for all you guys !!!
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November 9th 2007 at 9:59 AM
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Polaris XLTSP
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I came to this site 6 years ago because I had just bought a new sled off e-Bay that was broken and wanted to know how to fix it. It was all I could afford at the time, given that I had a wife and 3 children to support. I now have a newer sled, but still not brand new by any stretch of the imagination. I'm sure some of you are going, so whats your point!
My point is we all love sledding that's why we come to this site to share information and experiences. I hate to see this become a discussion of the haves and have nots. People invariably spend what they have on the priorities in their lifes. As we get older our priorities change as well as what we have to spend.
I know people like ripn chick describes, but I don't think they are on sites like this because they just like having new stuff. They don't fix it, everything goes back to the dealer and they have a disposable attitude about everything in their lives. They are not like some of our more fortunate members that can afford new sleds every year, but still really like to work with them and talk about them with others.
Anyway sorry about the old mans ramble just hate to see you guys rippin on each other just because of what one person has over another.
Personally, even once I get all my kids through college I will probably never buy a brand new sled unless I hit the lottery or something. There are just to many other things that that money can grow into over time. Of course I am not depending on it to get me through the wilderness of Alaska or Canada either.
Let's just try to realize that we come from all walks of life here.
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November 9th 2007 at 10:32 AM
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TRICKPaint
Paint that's good for your cranium
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Current Sled: '05 Renegade 600 HO-SDI
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Quote originally posted by Aksotar
hey guys !!
sorry if it seems we Alaskans are always flaunting our state... if you should ever come and spend some time here you'd understand why we feel this way and no doubt you'd be joining our ranks...
my Polaris dealer and shop mechanics are all good friends, one does become part of a "family" when you patronize a local shop... it helps the local economy too...
everyone wants a deal and trust me, we complain, bitch then moan and groan about prices here also... but as trick paint said, it is more a way of life here, praticularly in the villages, and our longer season sure helps...
I think the manufacturers will soon find out that they are hitting a peak as far as new prices go and their dealers will again be stuck with stock at the end of the season... not good for the industry let alone the sport....
my dealer doesn't make a big profit from sled sales and I wonder how much the manufacturers make per sled..?? I believe a lot of the extreme prices are because of the heavy product liability and necessary testing and safety checks that they have to do because of all of the piece of **** people out there that want to sue someone because of THEIR OWN STUPIDITY AND LACK OF COMMON SENSE when operating a sled..
instead of accepting responsibilty for their own actions and consequences, they find a sleazy lawyer and try to sue a manufacturer...
I could go on and on....
oh, anytime you guys want to come and make tracks, you have a standing invitation... I'll post some pics from this weekends ride and have a beer for all you guys !!!
A friend and I have talked about coming up there sometime to ride for the last 5 years. I'm thinking the time for me would the following winter or spring. I have not really investigated where we should go, the cost, legistics of things, and who to rent from, etc... If you have some advice or a link or 2 that will help planning something pass it along.
Just kidding about you guys rubbing it in. Suppose I'd be doing a little bragging myself. So keep teasing us with your snow stories. we enjoy it even if it's bitter sweet.
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November 9th 2007 at 12:13 PM
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Vmax540
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If you read And Believe most of what you see on these forums then you'll understand why most sleds are ~$10,000 ! Maybe we're getting what we demand ? B.T.W. who really pays M.S.R.P. ?
-12" or more of travel to even be considered.
-Updated technology and Chassis every 2-3 years.
-Be 20lbs lighter every model year.
-Have to be L.C. (Fans should not even exist in most minds on these forums & Magazines)?
-10 percent more H.P.& 10 percent higher Mileage every year.
- Most think a beginners sled should have at least 120hp ? ! ?
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November 9th 2007 at 3:08 PM
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RipnChick
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Well, it seems as though the fragile male ego is alive and well everywhere.
For any of you who took my tongue in check post personally. Y’all need to lighten up for cripes sake.
It seems my original post has received a +3 rating thus far, a “well said” comment by one mod, a few electronic “nods-of the head” by some other members, and yet those other “offended” parties who did not read into the context of my post correctly, feel it is now necessary to launch a personal attack on me…..for having an opinion.  GASP!
What you people who have your boxers all bunched up need to realize is that I am making a statement that is not directed at anyone on this site who buys a new sled. I know plenty of you who do, I know who you are and I know you are not what I described. You individuals should be confident enough to realize that you do not fit that bill, but sadly you must not have that introspect.
Sledneck1978 proceeded to rip on me, even after just about thoroughly agreeing with my entire sentiment, saying how I described “those people” to a T, and even knowing exactly what I was saying, by being able to deduce for himself that “those people” buy new sleds as a “status symbol or ego booster” even though I had not typed those particular statements, he got the drift nonetheless, but still felt “insulted” That is HIS problem, not mine.
The fact of the matter is, I did not make my post as a personal insult to anyone on here whatsoever, but my-my, once you turn the tables, it is clear to see that now people are putting labels on me (Mrs. Clinton) and have no problem throwing out the insults.
Indy488_234 and PolarisXLTSP both took the context of my post correctly.
PEOPLE LIKE THIS ARE NOT ON THESE SITES.
I never made the inference that anyone here who buys a new sled is not a fanatic, Darkstar, and I enjoy being in my “own little world” thank you (another direct insult)
and for your information, sometimes I find it quite necessary to ride a High Horse around here, so that I can be at eye level with all the people that I encounter on their ****** SOAP BOXES. 
Sledneck1978 -“What would people say if someone on a new machine put up a post about people that ride used.” People make fun of my “junk” all the time. YOU DID TWICE!! See post #31 and post #39. Am I crying about it? Oh wait, let me use these for you so you understand.   Now isn’t that throwing a stone from your glass house?
Pooxcsp500 
I know very few folks understand my mind and got my back. 
Have a nice F*#@ing weekend everyone.
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November 9th 2007 at 3:28 PM
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Polaris XLTSP
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You go girl. lol
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November 9th 2007 at 4:31 PM
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proxJ
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4604 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 7th 2005
Location: West.St.Paul, Manitoba, Canada
Current Sled: 04 rev 600 x,06 mxzx 440
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Used or recked sleds kick ass cheap as can be and easy to fix. I just buy a recked or used sled from the us for usally about 1000 less then it would be here. My dad buys new sleds he likes then i gues if you got enough extra cash to buy new go ahead, but if you are like me and dont i gues your ridin a used sled which dosnt bother me at all.
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November 9th 2007 at 5:16 PM
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Ripn, Please watch your language. For the record my response would have been the same to any Male or Female. Have a nice weekend.
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November 9th 2007 at 5:53 PM
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Ak4life
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This post has been blocked by a moderator because it is considered highly offensive, inappropriate, and/or completely off-topic.
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November 9th 2007 at 5:59 PM
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erick
Alternate Realities
erick pretty much excited that it's Friday, though there are no plans for the weekend yet!
Updated Friday at 11:45 AM
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Group: Administrators
Member Since: April 10th 2001
Location: Strathcona, MN, USA
Current Sled: IQr 800 & RMK 800
2008-2009 Miles: 800
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Please keep on topic people. No need to get personal. Some of the things being said to one another here are completely unnecessary and belong in PM. I'll be watching this topic closely from now on.
As far as this subject goes...here are my thoughts.
I don't like high prices, but I can understand the reason for them. Development costs are enormous. Sled sales have went WAY down, consumer demands have went WAY up, and the EPA has also thrown another wrench into the gears. There has been an increase in development costs and less sales because of terrible snow conditions. Without a price increase, I don't feel the manufacturers would be able to stay in the snowmobile industry. What is the right price increase? No one may ever know. I've never bought a brand new sled, but I know plenty of people who have. Not to say I don't ride something "up to date"...I just haven't needed to buy "brand new" just yet. Some day I'm sure I will.
Breaking free from the thoughts in my mind
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November 9th 2007 at 7:05 PM
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sledneck1978
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Quote originally posted by RipnChick
Well, it seems as though the fragile male ego is alive and well everywhere.
For any of you who took my tongue in check post personally. Y’all need to lighten up for cripes sake.
It seems my original post has received a +3 rating thus far, a “well said” comment by one mod, a few electronic “nods-of the head” by some other members, and yet those other “offended” parties who did not read into the context of my post correctly, feel it is now necessary to launch a personal attack on me…..for having an opinion. GASP!
What you people who have your boxers all bunched up need to realize is that I am making a statement that is not directed at anyone on this site who buys a new sled. I know plenty of you who do, I know who you are and I know you are not what I described. You individuals should be confident enough to realize that you do not fit that bill, but sadly you must not have that introspect.
Sledneck1978 proceeded to rip on me, even after just about thoroughly agreeing with my entire sentiment, saying how I described “those people” to a T, and even knowing exactly what I was saying, by being able to deduce for himself that “those people” buy new sleds as a “status symbol or ego booster” even though I had not typed those particular statements, he got the drift nonetheless, but still felt “insulted” That is HIS problem, not mine.
The fact of the matter is, I did not make my post as a personal insult to anyone on here whatsoever, but my-my, once you turn the tables, it is clear to see that now people are putting labels on me (Mrs. Clinton) and have no problem throwing out the insults.
Indy488_234 and PolarisXLTSP both took the context of my post correctly.
PEOPLE LIKE THIS ARE NOT ON THESE SITES.
I never made the inference that anyone here who buys a new sled is not a fanatic, Darkstar, and I enjoy being in my “own little world” thank you (another direct insult)
and for your information, sometimes I find it quite necessary to ride a High Horse around here, so that I can be at eye level with all the people that I encounter on their ****** SOAP BOXES.
Sledneck1978 -“What would people say if someone on a new machine put up a post about people that ride used.” People make fun of my “junk” all the time. YOU DID TWICE!! See post #31 and post #39. Am I crying about it? Oh wait, let me use these for you so you understand. Now isn’t that throwing a stone from your glass house?
Pooxcsp500
I know very few folks understand my mind and got my back.
Have a nice F*#@ing weekend everyone.
I'm so sorry for disagreeing with you miss queen Thank God most woman that ride aren't as EDIT as you. I feel bad for your other half.
EDIT - removed swearing
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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November 9th 2007 at 7:40 PM
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AKnarrowback
We have all received a bail out. Jesus paid our debt 2000 years ago.
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867 Posts
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Member Since: October 1st 2006
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska, USA
Current Sled: 96 xlt rmk/sks
2008-2009 Miles: 16
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Sleds are toys. Very few of us use them to earn a living or survive.
I ride to have fun, to run down a trail, climb a mountain, fly over the powder. I can do this for $1500 on a 96 xlt in perfect shape with low miles.
I can't afford a new sled. Plain and simple.....
The manufacturers can either get my money though spare parts or not at all.
Like I said in an earlier post. If the big four would make a sled that will be in existance on the show room ten years from now I might buy it.
Why spend ten grand on a sled that will be outdated before the loan is paid off.
Why spend ten grand on a sled that won't have any spare parts in stock for it in five years because the dealers can't afford to have inventory covering six generations of sleds from the last ten years.
Catering to the demand of a very limited amount of consumers has produced high sled costs, low spare part availability, low resale value and to be truthful it hasn't increased my level of enjoyment when I ride.
Give me a standard wedge indy, extra 10 in back and a front to match, regular gas shocks with springs, build it year after year so I know you will have spare parts for it in stock. I know you have to meet air quality standards so update the power plant but forget all the other cra- and give me a basic, solid chassis.
Last time I wrote on this it went on for longer. You get the idea of how I feel about where the snowmobile industry is going.
SLEDFX.... It's your turn, I'm going to crawl back in my cave.:)
96 xlt sks/rmk. custom 5.5 inch riser on the bars, custom air intake, custom front shock mounts, custom oil feed channel in block to inner pto end bearing, primer (I hate chokes), custom = I made it myself
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November 9th 2007 at 11:25 PM
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Octane
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2462 Posts
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Location: Edgerton, WI, USA
Current Sled: '01 Polaris 600 EDGE XR
2008-2009 Miles: 326
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Quote originally posted by Aksotar
an interesting thread....
I have purchased all my sleds via snowcheck and get a new one every 2-3 years, I am selling my 05 900 RMK 151 and getting an 08 700 Dragon RMK 155 (my 1st non snowchecked sled)...
I don't want to buy someones thrasher....
I ride Ak and we are in remote areas a long ways from the nearest road and I sure as heck don't want to break down 100 miles from a road...
I know that many of you will say BS.. but the sled you say will keep up that is old has how many hundred, if not thousand hours of work on them (figure out how many $$ of shop time that would be, your own time is worth $$ too...)and also how many mods.. so,in the end,the 10k number could/would apply to the old ones also....it's a matter of spending 10k for a new one and a season of riding and no troubles or spend a couple of thousand for an old one, a lot of time wrenching and modding and time in the garage after every ride.. to me.. it's about equal in reality...
I disagree. I spent $3,200 to buy my '01 600 EDGE X and even in the past 4 winters I havent spent anywhere near $6,800 in upkeep. Ive spent maybe, MAYBE $1,000 over that time in repairs and maintenance. I think you math is a little off to say the least.
Also, the notion that you wont have problems with a new sled but will have endless problems with an old sled is a very incorrect statement, IMO. Look at all the updates and recalls that new sleds have. They are far from perfect or flawless.
I also greatly disagree with the notion that how much money you spend on a sled is what makes you a true fanatic. All that shows is how much money you have to spend on the sport, not how much passion you have for the sport. Passion for the sport is what makes you a true fanatic, not how fat your wallet is.
Let me use myself as an example. Almost every day I post on snowmobile forums. I spend all summer thinking about riding, thinking about what kinds of mods I want to do to my sled, making plans for the winter and wrenching on my sled. I attend every snowmobile club meeting and voulenteer working on maintaining the snowmobile trails in my local area. IMO, that makes me MUCH more of a fanatic than someone who just spends $10,000 on a new sled every year and other than that contributes nothing to sport and gives nothing back. Im not trying to say that Im better than anyone else, but I think that the definition of what a true snowmobile fanatics is has more to due with passion for the sport than how much money you spend on the sport.
'01 Polaris Indy 600 XC SP EDGE XR
Powermadd articulating bar riser with 2" riser block, Pro-X seat, Pure Polaris handguards with Pure Polaris handguard mounts, red Cobra low sno-x windshield, almond/blue primary spring with 10-60 weights and 121" x 15" x .91 track with 96 studs.
7,300 miles
NGK spark plugs
Citgo Sea and Snow oil
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November 10th 2007 at 6:35 AM
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like a couple others have said. in our area there are so many left overs that are 1-3 years old in the crate and you can get such a great deal on them why by brand new? I almost got a new left over last year, 700 fusion with reverse, ripsaw, nice shocks and all the other bla bla stuff, 6 grand no payment and interest for 1 year and 3 years bumper to bumper warrenty. or left over fst's for 2grand off.
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November 10th 2007 at 7:14 AM
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sledneck1978
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2143 Posts
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Member Since: August 9th 2007
Location: Andover, MN
2008-2009 Miles: 875
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Quote originally posted by Octane Quote originally posted by Aksotar an interesting thread.... I have purchased all my sleds via snowcheck and get a new one every 2-3 years, I am selling my 05 900 RMK 151 and getting an 08 700 Dragon RMK 155 (my 1st non snowchecked sled)... I don't want to buy someones thrasher.... I ride Ak and we are in remote areas a long ways from the nearest road and I sure as heck don't want to break down 100 miles from a road... I know that many of you will say BS.. but the sled you say will keep up that is old has how many hundred, if not thousand hours of work on them (figure out how many $$ of shop time that would be, your own time is worth $$ too...)and also how many mods.. so,in the end,the 10k number could/would apply to the old ones also....it's a matter of spending 10k for a new one and a season of riding and no troubles or spend a couple of thousand for an old one, a lot of time wrenching and modding and time in the garage after every ride.. to me.. it's about equal in reality... I disagree. I spent $3,200 to buy my '01 600 EDGE X and even in the past 4 winters I havent spent anywhere near $6,800 in upkeep. Ive spent maybe, MAYBE $1,000 over that time in repairs and maintenance. I think you math is a little off to say the least. Also, the notion that you wont have problems with a new sled but will have endless problems with an old sled is a very incorrect statement, IMO. Look at all the updates and recalls that new sleds have. They are far from perfect or flawless. I also greatly disagree with the notion that how much money you spend on a sled is what makes you a true fanatic. All that shows is how much money you have to spend on the sport, not how much passion you have for the sport. Passion for the sport is what makes you a true fanatic, not how fat your wallet is. Let me use myself as an example. Almost every day I post on snowmobile forums. I spend all summer thinking about riding, thinking about what kinds of mods I want to do to my sled, making plans for the winter and wrenching on my sled. I attend every snowmobile club meeting and voulenteer working on maintaining the snowmobile trails in my local area. IMO, that makes me MUCH more of a fanatic than someone who just spends $10,000 on a new sled every year and other than that contributes nothing to sport and gives nothing back. Im not trying to say that Im better than anyone else, but I think that the definition of what a true snowmobile fanatics is has more to due with passion for the sport than how much money you spend on the sport. He wasn't saying money spent makes you a fanatic. Don't be ignorant and say a new sled is gonna break as much as a used sled either. And I don't consider a fuel filter recall (or some other tiny recall)breaking. Maybe some of us who buy new don't have "fat wallets". Maybe we're more of a fanatic than you because we're willing to sacrafice other things to have a new sled. I JUST SAID MAYBE!! Quote originally posted by madcow like a couple others have said. in our area there are so many left overs that are 1-3 years old in the crate and you can get such a great deal on them why by brand new? I almost got a new left over last year, 700 fusion with reverse, ripsaw, nice shocks and all the other bla bla stuff, 6 grand no payment and interest for 1 year and 3 years bumper to bumper warrenty. or left over fst's for 2grand off. I consider that buying new. I usally buy mine after their a year old still in the box.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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November 10th 2007 at 4:28 PM
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BGGREEN
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171 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 3rd 2007
Location: ST.CLOUD, MN, USA
Current Sled: 1997 XC 600
2008-2009 Miles: 0
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"To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by Evolution, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." Charles Darwin (The Origin of Species)....Genesis 2:7....And the LORD GOD formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed life into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.........
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November 11th 2007 at 1:07 AM
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Octane
Senior Member
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2462 Posts
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Member Since: November 16th 2004
Location: Edgerton, WI, USA
Current Sled: '01 Polaris 600 EDGE XR
2008-2009 Miles: 326
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Quote originally posted by sledneck1978
He wasn't saying money spent makes you a fanatic. Don't be ignorant and say a new sled is gonna break as much as a used sled either. And I don't consider a fuel filter recall (or some other tiny recall)breaking. Maybe some of us who buy new don't have "fat wallets". Maybe we're more of a fanatic than you because we're willing to sacrafice other things to have a new sled. I JUST SAID MAYBE!!
What about broken motor mounts on Fusions or snapped cranks on Mach Zs? Dont be so ignorant as to think that new sleds dont break down.
I have nothing against anyone who buys new sleds all the time. I almost bought an '07 Yamaha Phazer FX last year, but at the last minute decided to get a new YZ 250F dirtbike instead. In hindsight, I wish I would have bought the Phazer, but oh well.
I just dont think that spending a ton of money makes you more of a fanatic than someone who rides old sleds.
Obvously, opinions vary on this subject and I think thats a good thing. How boring would life be if we all agreed on everything and all liked the same thing?
'01 Polaris Indy 600 XC SP EDGE XR
Powermadd articulating bar riser with 2" riser block, Pro-X seat, Pure Polaris handguards with Pure Polaris handguard mounts, red Cobra low sno-x windshield, almond/blue primary spring with 10-60 weights and 121" x 15" x .91 track with 96 studs.
7,300 miles
NGK spark plugs
Citgo Sea and Snow oil
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November 11th 2007 at 9:30 AM
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sledneck1978
HAIL CHASER
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2143 Posts
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Member Since: August 9th 2007
Location: Andover, MN
2008-2009 Miles: 875
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Quote originally posted by Octane
Quote originally posted by sledneck1978
He wasn't saying money spent makes you a fanatic. Don't be ignorant and say a new sled is gonna break as much as a used sled either. And I don't consider a fuel filter recall (or some other tiny recall)breaking. Maybe some of us who buy new don't have "fat wallets". Maybe we're more of a fanatic than you because we're willing to sacrafice other things to have a new sled. I JUST SAID MAYBE!!
What about broken motor mounts on Fusions or snapped cranks on Mach Zs? Dont be so ignorant as to think that new sleds dont break down.
I have nothing against anyone who buys new sleds all the time. I almost bought an '07 Yamaha Phazer FX last year, but at the last minute decided to get a new YZ 250F dirtbike instead. In hindsight, I wish I would have bought the Phazer, but oh well.
I just dont think that spending a ton of money makes you more of a fanatic than someone who rides old sleds.
Obvously, opinions vary on this subject and I think thats a good thing. How boring would life be if we all agreed on everything and all liked the same thing?
At least you bring a good point to the table (unlike others who I won't mention  ). There are pros and cons to both. Obviously the biggest pro to used is price. New,,you point to what you want and it's ready to go. See everyone on the trails. SNOW IS CLOSE!!!!!!
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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