|
 |
|
 |
 |
|
Suspension setup questions?
- xtra 10
started by dtmmil
|
|
|
|
March 2nd 2008 at 2:53 PM
[ Modified March 2nd 2008 at 2:54 PM
]
|
|
| |
|
dtmmil
Senior Member
|
3182 Posts 
Group: Members
Member Since: January 27th 2007
Location: Hawley, MN, USA
Current Sled: 99 xc700
|
|
|
|
| |
Ok my sled handles well on the nice trails and even in a little snow, but when I get into some deeper stuff it slows way down and kindof saws through the snow, instead on climbing up on it. What can I do? I looked under the hood and it says to move the front shock and move the little block forward. I moved the block forward but I didn't move the shock. I still want to ride the trails but if I find some powder I want to be able to ride in it also. Right now I have the front shock springs set almost at the bottom, the limiter straps are let all the way out, my front blocks are set in the bottom forward holes and the rear blocks are in the rear bottom holes. It is a 99 xc700 so I think it is the xc-10 suspension, I don't know if it is different or not, I seem to remember it is though. I guess I am looking for a happy medium setup.
Clutched
Jetted, boyesen reed petals, boost bottle, 98xc carbs slides, 1371 needles, gutted air box
Homeade 7 1/2" riser
Homeade suspension drop brackets
shortened and blackened windshield
powermadd handguards
144 conversion, tracks usa extensions, custom tunnel extension and rear bumper, IQ flap, 1.25" track
|
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Site Supporter
Group: Site Supporters
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 2nd 2008 at 3:13 PM
|
|
| |
|
whitexc
Average Member
|
948 Posts 
Group: Members
Member Since: February 19th 2006
Location: Pendleton, NY, USA
Current Sled: XC
|
|
|
|
| |
My '99 is a trencher too...it kinda sucks cuz it isn't fun to play with in the powder. I have it set up for drag now so that is part of it but the track is original and has no bite. I think it will get a 136x1 1/4 next season.
Polaris...it IS the way out!
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 2nd 2008 at 11:05 PM
|
|
| |
|
|
dtmmil
Senior Member
|
3182 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 27th 2007
Location: Hawley, MN, USA
Current Sled: 99 xc700
|
|
|
|
| |
How do you have it set now, front and rear, just for comparison? Are you planning to extend it or did you already do it? I would like to extend mine also.
Clutched
Jetted, boyesen reed petals, boost bottle, 98xc carbs slides, 1371 needles, gutted air box
Homeade 7 1/2" riser
Homeade suspension drop brackets
shortened and blackened windshield
powermadd handguards
144 conversion, tracks usa extensions, custom tunnel extension and rear bumper, IQ flap, 1.25" track
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 2nd 2008 at 11:51 PM
|
|
| |
Hawkskier
Junior Member
|
327 Posts 
Group: Members
Member Since: January 7th 2008
Current Sled: 98 XCF
|
|
|
|
| |
I think you've hit the problem, my XCF acts the same way, in the deep stuff it just doesn't get the track up onto the snow.
I rode a friends 700XC before and after he went to a 136, before it would ride butt deep, after it really gets onto the snow.
I am going to be in the market for a 700 XC and going to 144 with it during the summer so its ready for next winter. Would do the XCF but that 440 just doesn't have the engine I need anymore.
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 3rd 2008 at 8:39 PM
|
|
| |
|
|
dtmmil
Senior Member
|
3182 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 27th 2007
Location: Hawley, MN, USA
Current Sled: 99 xc700
|
|
|
|
| |
So I take it no one has ever had an xtra 10 that has successfully been run in powder?
Clutched
Jetted, boyesen reed petals, boost bottle, 98xc carbs slides, 1371 needles, gutted air box
Homeade 7 1/2" riser
Homeade suspension drop brackets
shortened and blackened windshield
powermadd handguards
144 conversion, tracks usa extensions, custom tunnel extension and rear bumper, IQ flap, 1.25" track
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 3rd 2008 at 11:18 PM
[ Modified March 3rd 2008 at 11:19 PM
]
|
|
| |
|
BigJohnson
Junior Member
|
294 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 27th 2006
Location: Idaho Falls, Idaho, USA
|
|
|
|
| |
I have xc-10 on my 00'Rmk and from the sounds of it you have it set right for the powder!I ride with a stiffer shock when playing in the powder seems to keep it from sagging to much!But still my 136x2 is not enough for the powder we get here I just cant keep up with the guys riding the longer tracks!But get me on the trails and they cant touch me!Hopefully I can get a 151 under it this summer!
I think you need a 136 and it will help you out a lot!Mine goes, just not in 10ft of powder straight up where all my buddies like to go!But I can boondock and play in 2/3 foot powder no problem!
Marriage is like playing cards,if you dont have a good partner you better have a good hand!!
Wives are like a deck of cards: You need a heart to love them;A diamond to woo them;A club to beat them;And a spade to bury the body!
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 4th 2008 at 5:27 AM
|
|
| |
|
|
dtmmil
Senior Member
|
3182 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 27th 2007
Location: Hawley, MN, USA
Current Sled: 99 xc700
|
|
|
|
| |
Thats the problem, if we do happen to get, say a foot of powder, its to much. All the sled does is saws its way down to the bottom. Is there anything to change in the setup to get it to climb up to the top more?
Clutched
Jetted, boyesen reed petals, boost bottle, 98xc carbs slides, 1371 needles, gutted air box
Homeade 7 1/2" riser
Homeade suspension drop brackets
shortened and blackened windshield
powermadd handguards
144 conversion, tracks usa extensions, custom tunnel extension and rear bumper, IQ flap, 1.25" track
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 4th 2008 at 10:42 AM
|
|
| |
Hawkskier
Junior Member
|
327 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 7th 2008
Current Sled: 98 XCF
|
|
|
|
| |
Quote originally posted by dtmmil
Thats the problem, if we do happen to get, say a foot of powder, its to much. All the sled does is saws its way down to the bottom. Is there anything to change in the setup to get it to climb up to the top more?
You've done the set up for powder, it just can't help you too much. In the end there is a finite amount of grab that your track has on the powder, when that is exceeded by the force it takes to push your way through the white stuff it will start to dip deeper until the lugs hit something firmer, or if they don't you'll get stuck.
Short tracks are just overwhelmed. To really rock in a foot of pow you'll want a 136 with 1.5"+ or a 144 with 1.25" I'd personally go 144, with 1.25" lugs studs if you need em, more lug if you don't. And I would set the track so the rear tips of the track were off the ground slightly when the sled was level so that the track would let go more when riding trails and hard pack.
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 5th 2008 at 5:59 PM
|
|
| |
|
|
dtmmil
Senior Member
|
3182 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 27th 2007
Location: Hawley, MN, USA
Current Sled: 99 xc700
|
|
|
|
| |
Would it effect anything if I moved the front track shock to the upper mounting position and ride it on the trails like that?
Clutched
Jetted, boyesen reed petals, boost bottle, 98xc carbs slides, 1371 needles, gutted air box
Homeade 7 1/2" riser
Homeade suspension drop brackets
shortened and blackened windshield
powermadd handguards
144 conversion, tracks usa extensions, custom tunnel extension and rear bumper, IQ flap, 1.25" track
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 5th 2008 at 9:21 PM
[ Modified March 5th 2008 at 9:22 PM
]
|
|
| |
|
|
| |
your problem is the 121" track... you need a 136 for a multi purpose sled. 136 should be plenty... the ONLY place you will need a bigger track is on straight up hills or drag racing in powder... other then that, I can usually out ride the people in my group with 156-151 track with my 136. all a matter of keep'n it WFO and putting a grin from one side of your face to the other 
00 xc/rmk... the new frankinsled.
98 xc 700
79' camaro Z28
77' silverado. old trucks are pimp!
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 5th 2008 at 11:17 PM
|
|
| |
|
Rubi
Advanced Member
|
1018 Posts 
Group: Members
Member Since: January 1st 2007
Location: Alexandria, MN, USA
Current Sled: 2000 XCSP 600
2008-2009 Miles: 1071
|
|
|
|
| |
Hey dtmmil, I feel your pain. I put an xtra 10 upgrade into my 1990 Indy 400 this season. I'm having a lot of trouble getting it to transfer. When I take off, it spins wildly and I don't really get any traction. The skis never lift at all, and I don't feel the skid collapsing much. In deep snow it trenches wildly like it's trying to dig it's way to China. I know my sled can perform way better in deep snow than it does. In fact it did quite well in deep snow with the old suspension. I'm sure something can be done to yours to get better results. I just don't know what it is. If I figure out anything, I'll be sure to keep you posted.
1990 Indy 400 (Slightly modded with welded tunnel cracks and various used Indy parts from models throughout the 90's)
2006 Stihl Chainsaw
1980's Vintage Lawnboy Lawnmower
2005 Husqvarna Weed Whacker (It sucks to rewind the string, but that 31cc motor sure is torquey!)
2000 Polaris XCSP Edge 600 (1.5" Track, 22x40 gearing, Aaen exhaust, Student Driver pivot riser package)
2008 RMK 600 144"
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 5th 2008 at 11:18 PM
|
|
| |
Hawkskier
Junior Member
|
327 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 7th 2008
Current Sled: 98 XCF
|
|
|
|
| |
there's really just not that much you can do to the suspension to compensate for lack of grip on the snow...
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 6th 2008 at 12:34 AM
|
|
| |
|
polaris1man
Average Member
|
740 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: December 22nd 2007
Location: Nashwauk, Minnesota, USA
Current Sled: Polaris SKS700
2008-2009 Miles: not many
|
|
|
|
| |
THAT IS WHY US LONG TRACK BOYS GO HAVE FUN IN THE DEEP POWDER!! YEP, WE WILL GIVE THE SHORT TRACKERS THEIR DUE ON THE TRAILS, BUT GET IN LINE WHEN IT COMES TO RIDING THE POWER LINES AND FRESH POWDER!! YEHAA BOYS
Three-1999 Polaris SKS700's
2000 Polaris SKS700
2000 Polaris Ranger 6x6
2007 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI X2
2000 Yamaha YZ 250
1996 Yamaha WR250
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 6th 2008 at 6:46 AM
[ Modified March 6th 2008 at 6:51 AM
]
|
|
| |
|
bacon
93 XLTXCRRMK 600
|
269 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 7th 2005
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Current Sled: 1993 xltrmkxcr 600
2008-2009 Miles: 82
|
|
|
|
| |
I extended my xlt to a 136 with a 1 1/4 hacksaw and it made all the differnce in the deep snow and climbing hills.I put the skid in the drop bracket in the rear for some xtra clearence.On my skid I removed the rear blocks alltogeather .Now when I get off the trail and in to some powder I have enough track,
and weight transfer to get the skis up on top of the snow.This would have to be the best mod you can do to a sled.Now that I have run almost a whole winter with a 136 I will never have another sled with a 121.The whole thing cost me about $600.00 including the track well worth the money.The only thing I find now is the 600 even with the gear changes,could still use a little more power in the deep stuff.On my skid I tightened the rear limiter straps and loosed the front a bit.What I found now is when I hit the throttle the skiis come up about a foot off the ground for about 15 feet on the hard pack.In the deep dnow when I hit the throttle I can feel the skiis come up and it planes out ontop of the powder better.Take a wrench with you on your next ride and play with your suspension adjustments a bit.
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 6th 2008 at 7:00 AM
|
|
| |
|
|
| |
Quote originally posted by crdude
your problem is the 121" track... you need a 136 for a multi purpose sled. 136 should be plenty... the ONLY place you will need a bigger track is on straight up hills or drag racing in powder... other then that, I can usually out ride the people in my group with 156-151 track with my 136. all a matter of keep'n it WFO and putting a grin from one side of your face to the other
Anyone suggesting a sled needs a 136" track to find powder and be able to carve is full of it. I carve on my pig of an RXL with a 121 X 1.25" track. I'm not saying you need a 1.25: track either, I carve on both my parents ski-doos like nothing. Both bone stock with .75" tracks. I think you should keep playing around with it.
Cause I don't give a rats about who took second or 12th for that matter your just the next loser in a long line of many losers.
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 6th 2008 at 12:01 PM
|
|
| |
|
|
Rubi
Advanced Member
|
1018 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 1st 2007
Location: Alexandria, MN, USA
Current Sled: 2000 XCSP 600
2008-2009 Miles: 1071
|
|
|
|
| |
I put on all my miles last year in the general vicinity of Island Park Idaho. Snow wasn't as deep as you see in the sledfilms last year, but I rode in a lot of deep snow nonetheless. 90% of the time I was on my 121" Edge 600. In December when I was first out there, my skid was set up for trailriding. I couldn't carve worth a darn, but I made it through the deep snow just fine. After a little research, I switched some settings on my suspension and carving became a reality. My February and March riding was just great on the 121". You really get a crash course on how to ride deep snow when you're on a short track. I get sick of hearing that it's impossible to run a short track offtrail. That is just not true!
1990 Indy 400 (Slightly modded with welded tunnel cracks and various used Indy parts from models throughout the 90's)
2006 Stihl Chainsaw
1980's Vintage Lawnboy Lawnmower
2005 Husqvarna Weed Whacker (It sucks to rewind the string, but that 31cc motor sure is torquey!)
2000 Polaris XCSP Edge 600 (1.5" Track, 22x40 gearing, Aaen exhaust, Student Driver pivot riser package)
2008 RMK 600 144"
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 6th 2008 at 3:20 PM
|
|
| |
|
MonsterXLT
Starting Member
|
8 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: December 6th 2007
Location: NewYork, USA
Current Sled: '96 XLT 600 Special
2008-2009 Miles: 200
|
|
|
|
| |
I have a '96 XLT with the xtra 12 skid. not much different than the xtra 10. I removed the rear limiting blocks and stiffened the front track shock to about 3/4 tight. we just had bout 14" of fresh powder and with the stock 121"x .991" track it seemed to help get the skis to the top of the snow and I could carve a little. This compared to not being able to carve at all before the adjustments. however I plan to put on a 136" x 1.5" track this summer so I can keep up with my buddies in the powder, they all have 1.25" tracks and seem to do much better. The other major difference is their tracks are segmented where mine has solid bars.
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 6th 2008 at 6:54 PM
|
|
| |
Hawkskier
Junior Member
|
327 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 7th 2008
Current Sled: 98 XCF
|
|
|
|
| |
I have an XLT w/ Xtra 12 ski as well, quite a bit different from the Xtra 10 actually, its a falling rate, Xtra 10 is a falling rate, different travels, different designs.
They are different beasts through the deep stuff that is evident.
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 6th 2008 at 9:05 PM
|
|
| |
|
Ugly_old_Poo_kid
techno-bumpkin
|
1086 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: March 18th 2007
Location: Walworth, NY, USA
Current Sled: 05 Edge & Frankenstorm II
2008-2009 Miles: 165
|
|
|
|
| |
My Storm with xtra10 was amazing... In almost 2 foot of powder, I got traction till I slowed down. I started trenching from a stop, leaned all my weight to one side and gunned it while steering in the same direction and dug myself right out. With a .91" track and 1" studs.
It's ALL in the setup. (I wish I knew how to tell you to do it, I bought it setup that way...)
95 - Storm 800 - Modded - AKA: FrankenStorm - Totalled near 100mph at Tug Hill!
96 - XLT/SP with Storm 800 trip/trip and now EFI - FrankenStorm II lives...
95 - RXL -- Sale Pending --
05 - Edge 800 long track - Stayin' stock for now..
---------------------------------------------
It made me more compassionate, more empathetic, more nurturing...
I FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED IN MY OWN WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 7th 2008 at 12:38 PM
|
|
| |
|
SKE
if you can't stand the heat, become a cop
|
167 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 28th 2007
Location: Petoskey, mi, USA
Current Sled: 98 xc with 800ves
2008-2009 Miles: 50
|
|
|
|
| |
dtmmil, what size lugs and type of track are you running, my 98 xc had the x-10 121x1.25 and it did great in the powder. the only trouble i had was when i took off from a stop i would dig. i went to an edge with a 136 kit with 1.25 and its alot better. i'm ordering a 1.5 this summer.
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 7th 2008 at 2:31 PM
|
|
| |
|
|
dtmmil
Senior Member
|
3182 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 27th 2007
Location: Hawley, MN, USA
Current Sled: 99 xc700
|
|
|
|
| |
Thanks for the input, I have the stock track .90 or whatever it is. I would like to extend it over this summer if funds are available. I will try some of the ideas that have been posted here if I can find any deeper snow, or if I can get out anymore this season.
Clutched
Jetted, boyesen reed petals, boost bottle, 98xc carbs slides, 1371 needles, gutted air box
Homeade 7 1/2" riser
Homeade suspension drop brackets
shortened and blackened windshield
powermadd handguards
144 conversion, tracks usa extensions, custom tunnel extension and rear bumper, IQ flap, 1.25" track
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 7th 2008 at 3:27 PM
|
|
| |
|
xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
Updated Yesterday at 10:49 PM
|
12583 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
|
|
|
|
| |
Does your sled trench???? If so have you tried running a shallower helix?
Alot of the clutch set-up on here are for hard packed trails not loose powder.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 7th 2008 at 3:37 PM
|
|
| |
|
xcindy500
Junior Member
|
291 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 6th 2007
Location: Carman, Manitoba, Canada
Current Sled: 99 SKS 700
2008-2009 Miles: 999.9
|
|
|
|
| |
i didn't think mine was too bad. i havent been in really deep snow but i can get through 2-3 feet of snow quite well. but i also have my suspension dropped about 2" to. that might bee the reason. plus a 1.25" track.
1999 Polaris SKS 700 136"
Arctic FX Graphics
Powermadd bars
Powermadd hand guards
6" riser
PPP can
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 7th 2008 at 3:40 PM
|
|
| |
|
|
dtmmil
Senior Member
|
3182 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 27th 2007
Location: Hawley, MN, USA
Current Sled: 99 xc700
|
|
|
|
| |
No I haven't tried another helix. What would you recommend?
Clutched
Jetted, boyesen reed petals, boost bottle, 98xc carbs slides, 1371 needles, gutted air box
Homeade 7 1/2" riser
Homeade suspension drop brackets
shortened and blackened windshield
powermadd handguards
144 conversion, tracks usa extensions, custom tunnel extension and rear bumper, IQ flap, 1.25" track
|
|
|
|
|
|
March 8th 2008 at 9:04 AM
|
|
| |
|
|
xcr440
Sundowners Trail Coordinator
xcr440 icefish's because having feeling in your fingertips is overrated.
Updated Yesterday at 10:49 PM
|
12583 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: February 1st 2003
Location: St.Germain/Edgerton, Wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 03prox700/97xcr440
2008-2009 Miles: 610
|
|
|
|
| |
what are you running now???
You could try adding a few .030 shims behind the snap ring, each .030 shimm you put in will change the initial ange by 1.5*. SO if you have them try a total of 3 and see what it does.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
|
|
|
|
|
0 user(s) are reading this topic (0 Members and
0 Guests)
|
 |
|
