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I can't stand when places do this
- Adding "gratuity tip" into bill
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March 4th 2008 at 11:24 AM
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AS a Restaurant owner, I agree that a "tip" is just that, never did I say or intned to say that it should be automatic. We have waitstaff meetings every month or so and stress SERVICE!! As that is the bulk of thier pay--if they did a horrible job, don't tip--thats fine, and when I hear one of the wasitstaff bitch about no tip my first comment is usually "what went wrong??" and if they say "nothing" then that usually means that they messed something up!!
My main point was that if you have a problem, ask to talk to someone in charge, it will most likely be taken care of and in some cases you might even make out pretty good on the deal.
But if the service is good and the food is good and people still don't leave a tip its more of an insult then anything else, these people do work hard and you know going in that a tip is common practice for good service.
ArcticCatMattsGirl---what happened to your aunt is totally illegal!! her best course of action would be to report the place to the "better business bereau" there is no way the place can do that. Also the best way to help/hurt a business is by word of mouth, the more she/you tell the story the more it will hurt the business.
As I stated before I do not believe in auto adding a tip to the bill--but if it is done, it has to be on the menu and posted--it is your choice to stay or not. If it is not posted and you get the bill, don't pay it--as said before it is a "tip" not part of the bill. I think if
erick would have talked to the boss he could have gotten it straightened out that night.
Also Uncle Sam doesn't care what the staff claims in tips, as long as it adds up to Min.wage per hour--who in the hell would claim more then they have too?? So from the business side we pay Unmply. taxes on our Gross--not what they claim--I was trying to explain to the people that were saying that the Restaurant was just doing it{adding the tip on} to make extra money, it just doesn't work that way, Restaurants don't/can't garnis employees tips-it is against the law.
Still I understand the whole point and thus you will never get a "tip" added to your bill in my Restaurant--I/we try and offer great food and great service everytime--doesn't always happen for one reason or another and sometimes the staff gets stiffed--for this reason we offer incentives to our staff in the form of Cash/gift cards/even a year end vaction package for great service--it really helps to set up some compation for the staff, makes things fun and gives them something to work a little harder for.
restaurants are the hardest business in the U.S. to make a profit in, more go bankrupt then any other business, thus I'm proud of the fact that Mine has been in the family and going strong since 1943--but it does get harder everyyear to try and keep costs down and keep prices down and to KEEP GOOD HELP!!
Bottom line is.....I don't believe in auto tipping, You know when going out to eat that your expected to tip for good food and good service so DO IT. There is nothing WRONG with NOT tipping if service/food is bad....but it really helps to let someone/owner-manager know so we can correct the problem.
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March 4th 2008 at 12:00 PM
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Quote originally posted by wiguy05
If there is poor service simply speak with the manager and the problem will be resolved. Also, if you don't like the automatic gratuity, DON'T EAT THERE. Its as simple as that. This argument has turned into a High School pissing match and is really showing the intelligence level of some members on here.
Listen, when you sit down to eat is the first thing you think about the tip? So when the waitress comes to take drink orders do you ask her if the tip is going to be calculated with the bill and added? No, didn't think so. If I knew the tip was going to be added to the bill I might avoid that place but unless you want to start asking those questions how the hell do you know? So yes, now I might avoid that resturaunt, but if it's your first time there are you going to ask wiguy05? Talk about the intellgence level and then make those statements like I know if the tip is going to be added to the bill. My lack of clairvoyance is my undoing...
Cause I don't give a rats about who took second or 12th for that matter your just the next loser in a long line of many losers.
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March 4th 2008 at 2:01 PM
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What if you have a big party and more than 1 waiter/waitress works with your table? If you leave whatever tip you chose should they just divide it up between them? Even if your main waiter/waitress did way more work than the other one or two that helped out ???
other than that question .. I think it should be up to you. Some people are stiffs though and really screw people over to save $5.
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March 4th 2008 at 2:05 PM
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^^^^ No need to be clairvoyant. All you need to do is read.
"Often times, 15% - 20% is often automatically charged for a large party (six or more), however this information must be posted on the menu in order to be legal."
If the tip is going to be automatically charged it will be posted.
If you dont like it DON'T EAT THERE. Its as simple as that.
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March 4th 2008 at 2:24 PM
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Do you realize that those in the food industry are required to pay taxes on the amount of tips they should have made according to their sales? Ugh. Anyone who has ever stiffed a server is committing a crime. It's called THEFT.
Most resteraunts actually automatically report a certain amount for tips. Such as 1.50/hr extra for your taxes. As it is the employeer who reports this information, some make significantly more off the table on their tips.
As far as I am concerned, if they list that its automatically added clearly, I'd pay it or not eat there.
Otherwise they don't do it.
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March 4th 2008 at 2:50 PM
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Okay I remember why I took a break from the site. The fact of the matter is people don't read the entire topic and then come in with their comments like they know the situation or what I'm talking about. The fact is many resturaunts add the 15% to the bill and I have never seen it put on the menu. Maybe because when I go out to eat I'm not entirely engulfed in what the tip will be once I'm done with my meal. I like to enjoy my meal instead of racking my brain with thoughts like, "OMG, maybe they're going to add the tip to the bill." The fact is, is typically I am more than willing to tip well. But the fact that they are adding a 15% to the bill period is bull****! The patrons should be allowed to determine whether they're server was bad, good, or off the charts. This is not a me saying that if they have a policy for 10 or more people this is me saying let me determine the tip so I judge the server's effort. So if you want to call it stealing whatever, the fact of the matter is, is I'm not trying to determine if it's legal or illegal, I just want to be able to determine my own tip. So do I have that right? People are acting as though I'm saying it an absolute crime for them to do this, no it's not, but the fact is I should have the right to determine what to tip whether it is 15% or 30%...
Cause I don't give a rats about who took second or 12th for that matter your just the next loser in a long line of many losers.
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March 4th 2008 at 2:53 PM
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I could not agree with you more, Triple650Indy.
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March 4th 2008 at 3:44 PM
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You're just a straight up cheap ass if you didn't pay the tip, especially if the service was good. It doesn't matter your group paid separately. It's a lame effort at trying to weasel out of paying the gratuity. Follow the rules ERICK...you seem to preach it so much here!
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March 4th 2008 at 3:53 PM
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Sno-X-treme, the service was not good. I already stated that a few posts back.
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March 4th 2008 at 3:56 PM
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Quote originally posted by erick
Sno-X-treme, the service was not good. I already stated that a few posts back.
What were you planning on giving as a tip....
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March 4th 2008 at 4:42 PM
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FWIW, I tip 15 - 20%. Giving a person who's taken your order, brought out the correct food, it's hot and tastes good and your only thinking about hanging with your friends and family and not how dissapointed you are with the food or service is, priceless. Throwing a couple bucks someone's way for a $10 lunch isn't going to break me. It's common courtesy. Like thanking them. I have seen the menu say parties of 5 or more have gratuity included. I have seen it and been billed at some places and not at others. I can understand it if the proprietor is protecting his employees from being ripped off. I don't think it's necessary in my case but if it's the rule of the establishment then it's the rule, like it or not. Heck I don't like paying taxes with every paycheck. I think I should get to invest the money or put it in a CD and get to accrue interest. Why should I get a notice every 2 wks that the govt took 30% of my pay and they get to invest it and make interest on it? Cheapskates, I'm only going to give them 5% cause their service SUCKS!
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Giving a tip of .02 is the standard statement of you received unacceptable service. When I go into a restuarant it's a special thing and I go into it knowing I'm going to provide a tip of some sorts. I work for the US Gov't and "tips" are clearly a separate item listed on total costs when travelling on the gov't's dime. You know, per deim. It's actually stated as meals & tips. Unless I get horrible service, I'm usually tipping in the 15-20% range (or more). I engage the servers though with conversation (what do you recommend, what is the special, are you married, etc.) so they know I'm not going ot be a bump on a log, sit down, eat and leave without a tip. Only once have I ever left a 2 cent tip and it was justifiied (they screwed up my order not once but twice and the final time the food came to my table cold. I didn't finish the meal either).
I think Erick's stand of subtracking the tip is unique! I am very curious how it pans out.
Those that don't realize you should tip when eating out and the service is acceptable need to take a course on etticut. I don't really know many people that eat out 7/24/365 though, maybe it's different for them.
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March 4th 2008 at 5:38 PM
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Wow...I get a post blocked when I suggest everyone is paid based on there performance.
What a bunch of hypocrites.
Have fun beating this post to death guys.
My plane for yellowstone leaves at 5:20 am tommorow!
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March 5th 2008 at 3:57 PM
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Wow, I eat at Paradiso quite often, I usally have a group of 6 - 10 people, I haven't notice the automatic gratuity on my bill, I probably have double tipped at times....
I have always had great service, I love the food there.
I will have to have to ask the one manager that I know, what he has to say about this.
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March 5th 2008 at 5:17 PM
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Aww, I'm missing out on fighting!
I sorta read through it, lots of repeating...
1. A tip is a tip. It's not mandatory. Servers earn wages, whether they get a tip or not depends on level of service and/or the cheapness of the customer. I personally believe they are just doing their job, therefore I don't tip very often. Yep, according to many, that makes me a bad person. Oh well. I don't get tipped after putting in a 14 hour day in the field, so why should I just hand over my hard earned money to someone for just doing their job?
2. If it's automatically put on the bill, why not just jack the price of all the food up a little bit, don't put the stupid line on the receipt and pay your servers more.
Reminds me of when I was in New Zealand. Tipping over there doesn't happen. When we first got there, we ate, we left a few bucks on the table and as we were walking out, the server ran after us informing we had left our money on the table. We said that was the tip, we thought the service was good. We were informed that you don't tip there. Nobody does, anywhere. They earn their wage, just like everyone one else.
Sounds like a good idea to me. If it makes me a bad person, or "cheap" or whatever, so be it. All you big tippers out there can just fork over your cash if you want, but calling me names isn't going to change my view on the subject.
Plus, it isn't stealing if you don't tip. What are you stealing? Money they never had in the first place? Stealing their service? I think not, the restaurant is the place that pays them...
Every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. That means every day you see me, that's the worst day of my life.
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March 5th 2008 at 5:43 PM
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Polaris-man, I think the point your missing is that in the U.S., the service industry IS set up as a tip based service--weather you like it or not and you KNOW that when going out to eat. You can't compare OTHER jobs to the service based industry because of that, I bet that you make more then $3.00 per hour. Thats why you don't get a "tip"!
And I hardly doubt that if the service industry wasn't "tip" based that you would/could afford to go out and eat---would you be willing to pay over $20.00 for a burger and fries??
Besides that isn't what this topic is about--it is about auto adding a "tip" onto the bill with out the customers knowledge.
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March 5th 2008 at 7:25 PM
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No, but it transferred into a topic about tipping in general.
Do people tip servers at a place like McDonalds? Very few, if any.
Also, isn't there a "minimum wage" you have to get paid regardless?
Either way, if I don't feel like tipping, I don't. I pay my bill. If I'm forced to tip and I'm aware of it, I will go elsewhere.
Plus, in other countries it's not "tip based" and a burger and fries isn't $20, so that doesn't really hold any ground...
Every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. That means every day you see me, that's the worst day of my life.
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I work in a restaurant and we get stiffed a lot. I cook so i dont get all the tips(we get 10 percent of what the waitresses make) but when a big group comes in (big as in 20) we charge gratuity and they know that in advance. For any other meal (other than when we deliver) we let it be up to the customers and i am almost certain we get more money that way than forcing people to pay the 15 percent. So bottom line IMO i think people generally give more when they are not forced to do something.
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March 6th 2008 at 12:54 AM
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Quote originally posted by Sno-X-treme
Quote originally posted by erick
Sno-X-treme, the service was not good. I already stated that a few posts back.
What were you planning on giving as a tip....
Erick...paging Erick....
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March 6th 2008 at 6:48 AM
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Quote originally posted by Backwoodsrider
Polaris-man, I think the point your missing is that in the U.S., the service industry IS set up as a tip based service--weather you like it or not and you KNOW that when going out to eat. You can't compare OTHER jobs to the service based industry because of that, I bet that you make more then $3.00 per hour. Thats why you don't get a "tip"!
And I hardly doubt that if the service industry wasn't "tip" based that you would/could afford to go out and eat---would you be willing to pay over $20.00 for a burger and fries??
Besides that isn't what this topic is about--it is about auto adding a "tip" onto the bill with out the customers knowledge.
$20 dollars eh? LOL, let's say we have a big basket of fries, and a 1/2 lb burger. Total cost $12 if we tip... Now they are charging 15% correct for gratuity? 12*.15=$1.80 This makes the 12$ meal $13.80. So stop exagerating and start making valid points. If you don't like working for tips then quit, if you feel your being ripped off by a society that refuses to tip then quit and get a new job. Like I said Walmart is happy to pay you $5.75.
Cause I don't give a rats about who took second or 12th for that matter your just the next loser in a long line of many losers.
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March 6th 2008 at 10:21 AM
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Quote originally posted by Sno-X-treme
Quote originally posted by Sno-X-treme
Quote originally posted by erick
Sno-X-treme, the service was not good. I already stated that a few posts back.
What were you planning on giving as a tip....
Erick...paging Erick....
As my personal statement to the dissatisfaction I experienced with the level of service I received, I was planning on leaving no tip.
This discussion isn't about whether or not servers should be tipped. I believe in cases that warrant it (IE. good service), they should be. This discussion is about whether the tip should be automatically added to the bill (taking away customer choice) or if it should be up to the customer to decide how much to tip.
Ask anyone who goes out with me if I am "stingy" or a "cheapskate" and they will say no. At places such as bars, if it is busy and I go up to the counter and get a drink quickly I always throw down a dollar for the server even if the drink only cost $2.
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March 6th 2008 at 10:33 AM
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If you aren't willing to take the risk of NOT getting a tip, then you shouldn't be working in the service business. If you need the money that badly, get a job that pays more than $3.15 an hour. Get a job that garauntees that you are going to get at least minimum wage per hour. Then you won't have to be so pissy that you didn't get a tip.
Should it automatically be added? No!
My large group of 15 people may have had great service, but you might have put your thumb in my soup, or let your long hair flop across my burger when you brought it to the table. Maybe you were too busy talking to another waitress and didn't bring me a refill. or maybe you never came back to the table except to bring me the damn bill. If the service sucked, I don't care how many people were sitting at my table, you don't get a tip.
However, if I think you're really cute and would like nothing more than to spank your little tush, you automatically get $5! LOL
Not so long ago, a deranged, ranting person's audience was limited to how many people happened to be on the same street. The Internet, however, has certainly allowed "crazy" to go global...
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like I said I DO own a restaurant and I'm just trying to show what would happen if it wasn't a tip based business. So here goes....
In Michigan the minimum that a restaurant can pay waitstaff is $2.95 an hour by law,( the min. wage is 7.15, thats the difference is wht they have to claim) so lets round it up to an even $3.00---so say we take away tipping and we now have to pay the average of what most waitstaff make on an average day, which is $10.00 per hour(with me so far?) so now the business has just DOUBLED,DOUBLED--its labor cost, how do you think they are going to make that up???????? if they were charging say $8.75 for a burger and fries they now have to at least double the cost($18.75) just to BREAK EVEN!!! so as you can see it WAS A VALID point. Sorry I was off by a buck and a quarter!!!
One thing about over seas there is no such thing as income tax or unemployment taxes, again it is comparing apples to oranges. Quote originally posted by erick
Quote originally posted by Sno-X-treme
Quote originally posted by Sno-X-treme
Quote originally posted by erick
Sno-X-treme, the service was not good. I already stated that a few posts back.
What were you planning on giving as a tip....
Erick...paging Erick....
As my personal statement to the dissatisfaction I experienced with the level of service I received, I was planning on leaving no tip.
This discussion isn't about whether or not servers should be tipped. I believe in cases that warrant it (IE. good service), they should be. This discussion is about whether the tip should be automatically added to the bill (taking away customer choice) or if it should be up to the customer to decide how much to tip.
Ask anyone who goes out with me if I am "stingy" or a "cheapskate" and they will say no. At places such as bars, if it is busy and I go up to the counter and get a drink quickly I always throw down a dollar for the server even if the drink only cost $2.
Thank you for getting this back to the point!!!  And yes I do totally agree!!
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Backwoods....Don't bother talking sense in here, common sense and courtesy towards others is outlawed.
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March 6th 2008 at 12:35 PM
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Sno-X-treme
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Member Since: October 25th 2001
Location: Menomonie, Wi, USA
Current Sled: 2006 rev 440/700
2008-2009 Miles: 400
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Quote originally posted by erick
As my personal statement to the dissatisfaction I experienced with the level of service I received, I was planning on leaving no tip.
This discussion isn't about whether or not servers should be tipped. I believe in cases that warrant it (IE. good service), they should be. This discussion is about whether the tip should be automatically added to the bill (taking away customer choice) or if it should be up to the customer to decide how much to tip.
Ask anyone who goes out with me if I am "stingy" or a "cheapskate" and they will say no. At places such as bars, if it is busy and I go up to the counter and get a drink quickly I always throw down a dollar for the server even if the drink only cost $2.
Its awesome how you come back to the safety of the keyboard and are such a badass. But have you taken up this beef with the management, if it gets under your skin so damn bad?
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