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the day of the lake racer is over huh?????? NOT
- polaris has done it again!!!! Remember, this thing is STOCK!!!!
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April 4th 2008 at 9:16 PM
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Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
Quote originally posted by slamdry
Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
You should be sick of defending it... If it was so great in the fist place or, if someone actually thought it was the wave of the future it would still be made.. I dont know if your all blind or what but NONE of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... If anyone really thought it would save snowmobiling or be the future of the sport at least one of them would make a triple still... wouldnt they???
you may want to re think that statement becasue i am almost 200% sure that Yamaha still makes triples, correct me if im wrong but im thinking the venture, the vector, ohh and whats that other one.... OHH YEAH the NYTRO is a triple. Or did i jsut make all that up.... They all may be 4-stroke triples, but hey, not everyone is perfect... but atlest its a start.
The arguement revolves around the 2 stroke triple I do belive (if not I stand corrected) but in my line of thinking thats what it is.. So yammies 4 strokes dont count...
Your right the yammies dont count, But that sled is a heavy terd and they still sell so why wouldnt a triple?
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April 4th 2008 at 9:23 PM
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slamdry
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Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
Quote originally posted by slamdry
Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
You should be sick of defending it... If it was so great in the fist place or, if someone actually thought it was the wave of the future it would still be made.. I dont know if your all blind or what but NONE of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... If anyone really thought it would save snowmobiling or be the future of the sport at least one of them would make a triple still... wouldnt they???
you may want to re think that statement becasue i am almost 200% sure that Yamaha still makes triples, correct me if im wrong but im thinking the venture, the vector, ohh and whats that other one.... OHH YEAH the NYTRO is a triple. Or did i jsut make all that up.... They all may be 4-stroke triples, but hey, not everyone is perfect... but atlest its a start.
The arguement revolves around the 2 stroke triple I do belive (if not I stand corrected) but in my line of thinking thats what it is.. So yammies 4 strokes dont count...
well see thats not what you said, you said "I dont know if your all blind or what butnone of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... " last time i checked yami was one of the big four.
Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE If I don't keep this sled for the whole season, I promise to never sign on to Snowmobile Fanatics again.
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April 4th 2008 at 9:33 PM
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SLEDFX
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Quote originally posted by slamdry
Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
Quote originally posted by slamdry
Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
You should be sick of defending it... If it was so great in the fist place or, if someone actually thought it was the wave of the future it would still be made.. I dont know if your all blind or what but NONE of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... If anyone really thought it would save snowmobiling or be the future of the sport at least one of them would make a triple still... wouldnt they???
you may want to re think that statement becasue i am almost 200% sure that Yamaha still makes triples, correct me if im wrong but im thinking the venture, the vector, ohh and whats that other one.... OHH YEAH the NYTRO is a triple. Or did i jsut make all that up.... They all may be 4-stroke triples, but hey, not everyone is perfect... but atlest its a start.
The arguement revolves around the 2 stroke triple I do belive (if not I stand corrected) but in my line of thinking thats what it is.. So yammies 4 strokes dont count...
well see thats not what you said, you said "I dont know if your all blind or what butnone of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... " last time i checked yami was one of the big four.
OK OK THEY DONT MAKE A 2 STROKE TRIPLE... HAPPY???
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April 4th 2008 at 10:13 PM
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O ye of little faith
Only the sheep blindly follow
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April 4th 2008 at 10:20 PM
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SLEDFX
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Here I thought that only Chicken little constantly operates on the principle that the sky is falling...
Its a shame some people have constrained to inside the box thinking all the time... I know I know new things are scary and bad... But eventually time will pass you by and you will see the error of your ways.. Even the Salem witch trials were just a shade better than a 100 years ago..
Sure it sucks that we dont have 1000 CC 180 HP sleds running around that handle corner to corner like a 440 and top out at 120 Mph.. Would they be fun.. Absolutely... Will you ever get them... NOT A CHANCE IN HELL... You can thank the EPA and your Government for that...
Things are made "For the AVERAGE consumer" which means its a sad detuned shell of what its potential actually is.. Just like the 800 in the Vid.. By the time we get it.. It will be lucky to do 100...
Hell in 10 years you will be LUCKY if you can ride a sled anywhere...
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It would be awesome if they made another triple. I mean with current technology and all. Thing would be a beast!
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April 5th 2008 at 8:27 AM
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slamdry
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Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
Here I thought that only Chicken little constantly operates on the principle that the sky is falling...
Its a shame some people have constrained to inside the box thinking all the time... I know I know new things are scary and bad... But eventually time will pass you by and you will see the error of your ways.. Even the Salem witch trials were just a shade better than a 100 years ago..
Sure it sucks that we dont have 1000 CC 180 HP sleds running around that handle corner to corner like a 440 and top out at 120 Mph.. Would they be fun.. Absolutely... Will you ever get them... NOT A CHANCE IN HELL... You can thank the EPA and your Government for that...
Things are made "For the AVERAGE consumer" which means its a sad detuned shell of what its potential actually is.. Just like the 800 in the Vid.. By the time we get it.. It will be lucky to do 100...
Hell in 10 years you will be LUCKY if you can ride a sled anywhere...
see the comon person is scared of the unknown, which is the reason for the lack of production of the triple. To go oposite of wha tyou said if people knew back in the mid to late 90's what we know now of the triple they probably would still be in production. But much like the fusion, a few little snags in a line and the whole operation goes to scrap.
you can preach all you want of epa regualtions, but in all any 2 stroke will make the same amount of polution, weather it be a 70's free air or a brand new cfi sled. When you BURN oil a by product is polution. why do you think they are all going to 4-stroke??
this is fun to see someone get so worked up!!!! lol silly sheep!!!!! lol!!!
Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE If I don't keep this sled for the whole season, I promise to never sign on to Snowmobile Fanatics again.
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Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
You should be sick of defending it... If it was so great in the fist place or, if someone actually thought it was the wave of the future it would still be made.. I dont know if your all blind or what but NONE of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... If anyone really thought it would save snowmobiling or be the future of the sport at least one of them would make a triple still... wouldnt they???
the triple is easier to meet epa compliance.
poo dropped the triple to sell there own engine, more money saved on the cost of the sled along with a similar price tag= more profit
All you guys bitch and complain so much about Polaris and not making a triple past 03 ruined them... and bla this and bla that... We want this and we want that... You dont buy what comes out until 3-5 years after the fact so why should your demigraph have any say in whats build? Hell most of you didnt even get XCR's till they hadnt been made for 2 years.. If not more... Face it.. you wont ever get **** by your incesent complaints... The vast majority of you havent rode a sled made in the last 5 years if not longer..
maybe that says a lot right there. we havent bought because we dont feel they have anything for our class or riding.
If there was in fact such a HOT DEMANDING market for triples... THEY WOULD STILL BE MADE TODAY!!!! Its not rocket science here.. Company's make what sells.. If you havent bought a new sled in ever or once in 5 years why on earth would they care about what you say? Or what you want or consider to be ideal for that matter...
maybe they should look at the people still riding old sleds and ask themselves, is it just money keeping them or is it the fact that they love our old quality sled so much. or is it the fact that people like me are to nervous of buying a new sled with all the assinine lack of quality aspects other than the fact then the new sleds are slow. all the recalls, and reflashes, and other stupid things that havent been a problem in the last 30 years of sledding but now for some reason they can screw them up.
Face it.. The Gen 2 chassis is old and outdated (it has been for the better part of 5 years) for anything other than strait line riding or minor trail riding, and the X 10 is back braking on a good day... Ride anything newer in the iq chassis for a week then get back on a gen 2.. You will be like why the hell am I riding this thing for? After riding the dragon I have no desire what so ever to ride a edge chassis sled let alone a gen 2... XCR 800 or not.. Its still NO FUN...
I have to laugh to about those that think the new 800 is such a POS... yeah a 800 twin that makes about 5 HP less than a 800 triple. Whose the joke on here???? Faced with the restraints of the EPA face it.. The sleds are sickly detuned before they get to the consumer.. Give the twin CFI aftermarket a few years to catch up technology wise then see where we are at...
put 44 mm throttle bodies cfi system, the newer ignition and newer head designs/port designs on an xcr 800 type engine and you will see a 165 hp with stock pipes real easy. that "154" hp that is 145 hp on dynotechs dyno not slps dyno who is hired by polaris by the way. is pretty much strung out, 165 hp is about what you are going to see for hp on this engine all hopped up.
a mod 800 twin built just for racing makes about 180 hp. and it is a pure race motor, you arent trail riding it anywhere. a 95 storm engine in pure race form will make about 210 hp. at 180 hp the 95 storm, with iron lined cylinders, no ves, no cfi, 38 mm carbs not 44 mm throttle bodies. thats a huge difference right there, old ignition, that is a couple hp right there. it would be a great all day trail engine.
make the 600/700 cfi twins for the smaller class, use them parts to cobble a 1050 triple for the guys that want to have fun or the big rmk sled. the iq chassis is a very easy and great triple swap.
Face it... Whats built is what sells... If the sleds of today didnt sell they wouldnt be build in the first place!..... I think alot of you fail to realize how many updates the sleds of yesteryear had... The only thing was you didnt know about most of them since you didnt have the internet so you couldnt hear about all of them...
bought a new xlt piped, heads, clutching before it left the showroom floor, it was a 95 model, at 8000k miles of hard young adult beating miles, never had it back to the dealer once. bought a 98 600 xc, had 1 recall on it. otherwise never looked back. bought a new 2000 xcr 8000, never had one recall on it.
people buy whats there, like it or not there are enough people that just go along and buy new weather its good or not.
Everyone bitches about the 900 and the 700 like they are the worst sleds ever made... Funny thing is alot of you havent even ever seen one let alone rode one..
How the hell you know what your talking about in the first place is beyond me..
Its laughable that you worry about how much the handle bars on the 900 shake at idle.. The Dragon is pretty much just as bad... yet no one complains about that...
Its really funny how things work..
the fusions get blown out of proportion, but what is failed to be recognized is that ever since then they are still doing stupid things. this is the model year 08/09. the fact that there should be welds breaking, bulkheads cracking, body panels that fit loose or cheap or even fall off in some hard bumps, reflash updates, wires or hoses rubbing body parts, shafts, clutches, belts or exhaust, there is absolutely no excuse for that kind of stuff. I have been wanting to pull the trigger on a new sled again for several years now. but with this kind of stuff always showing up, how do you know what you are going to get. I can live with getting a new 700 that tops out at 95 mph since i have an old sled that can do the fast stuff for me. but i have 3 dealers i stay in touch with and talk to about issues, so far the only sled i would even think about getting would be a 600cfi or fst switchbacks, but the 600 if nothing else has oil issues, and the fst still has some gremlins floating around. especially since for the price and market around here I would be looking at a 1-2 year old left over.
nothing goes like 3 holes!!
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Loving the pro-x!!!
Xx08BRAAAPPP22xX nights are getting nice and cold but now it's got to stay like that through out the whole day on into December!
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Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
You should be sick of defending it... If it was so great in the fist place or, if someone actually thought it was the wave of the future it would still be made.. I dont know if your all blind or what but NONE of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... If anyone really thought it would save snowmobiling or be the future of the sport at least one of them would make a triple still... wouldnt they???
All you guys bitch and complain so much about Polaris and not making a triple past 03 ruined them... and bla this and bla that... We want this and we want that... You dont buy what comes out until 3-5 years after the fact so why should your demigraph have any say in whats build? Hell most of you didnt even get XCR's till they hadnt been made for 2 years.. If not more... Face it.. you wont ever get **** by your incesent complaints... The vast majority of you havent rode a sled made in the last 5 years if not longer..
If there was in fact such a HOT DEMANDING market for triples... THEY WOULD STILL BE MADE TODAY!!!! Its not rocket science here.. Company's make what sells.. If you havent bought a new sled in ever or once in 5 years why on earth would they care about what you say? Or what you want or consider to be ideal for that matter...
Face it.. The Gen 2 chassis is old and outdated (it has been for the better part of 5 years) for anything other than strait line riding or minor trail riding, and the X 10 is back braking on a good day... Ride anything newer in the iq chassis for a week then get back on a gen 2.. You will be like why the hell am I riding this thing for? After riding the dragon I have no desire what so ever to ride a edge chassis sled let alone a gen 2... XCR 800 or not.. Its still NO FUN...
I have to laugh to about those that think the new 800 is such a POS... yeah a 800 twin that makes about 5 HP less than a 800 triple. Whose the joke on here???? Faced with the restraints of the EPA face it.. The sleds are sickly detuned before they get to the consumer.. Give the twin CFI aftermarket a few years to catch up technology wise then see where we are at...
Face it... Whats built is what sells... If the sleds of today didnt sell they wouldnt be build in the first place!..... I think alot of you fail to realize how many updates the sleds of yesteryear had... The only thing was you didnt know about most of them since you didnt have the internet so you couldnt hear about all of them...
Everyone bitches about the 900 and the 700 like they are the worst sleds ever made... Funny thing is alot of you havent even ever seen one let alone rode one..
How the hell you know what your talking about in the first place is beyond me..
Its laughable that you worry about how much the handle bars on the 900 shake at idle.. The Dragon is pretty much just as bad... yet no one complains about that...
Its really funny how things work..
I agree with you about the shaking just like people have doubted the fuse 700 beating the f-7 and I have seen that done on video! Hell after riding my buddys 700 fuse I want one they are torque monster! And yes the 700 dragon has some vibs to it but not bad.
Polaris Pro-X=Sledgehammer, and every bit as tough as one!
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April 5th 2008 at 10:00 AM
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FireCat59
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Only problem I have had so far thats been a big issue is the oil pump cable gets gunked up creating a spark plug foul problem. Shaking isn't as bad as everyone says it is and I have no problems with my side panels shaking or falling off. No welds cracked, no reflashes and from what I have seen in my sled no hoses or lines rubbing anywheres. No exhuast problems, I did blow a few belts caused by the crappy Polaris belts, bought an Ultimax XS and have had 0 problems since.
I was thinking about the reliability of sleds these days compared tot he old sleds, like the wedges. Alot more issues but there's alot more technology and places where things could go wrong. The wedges, gen 2's, are simple machines compared to the new sleds, no computers, no efi, no cfi, other than a few. Ride what you want but I love my sled, and I assure you I will not be riding an old iron any time in my near future. I like being able to go fast on the trail CONTROLABLY/comfortably without getting bucked and thrown into a pile of trees or another snowmobilier and not having to bust my body when hitting huge a$$ bumps. I could give two shizz if anyone came out with another triple, because I can gaurentee not many people would have them. there would be triple the problems I think. More computer technology gone wrong and then creating more money. How much do you think a manufactured triple would cost these days?? I am guessing around $13,000 brand new. And guys here complain about not having triples being made anymore when they do not even have the money to buy a machine with a base tag price of that. Not enough buyers and Polaris will go in debt, it would probably be a 2 year production just like the fusions were and then everyone is going to say how crappy and stupid of a sled they were. Who cares? In a couple years 2 strokes wil be in the past and 4 strokes are going to take over. Which I am not sad about either. I love the turbo Polaris Fst and I sure as hell would not mind having one, actually I would like that better. Just my 2 cents.
"Who cares about triples, I could hit myself in the face with a frying pan and feel just as good as riding 10 miles on xtra 10." hahaha
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thats why i am working for an iq triple, it will be intresting to see how it works!!! all apsects will be addressed. like the bulk head cracking, cooling and other issues will be taken care of BEFORE they have a chance to become an issue.
the engine will be designed for trail riding and pump gas. the nitrous is just for fun!!
nothing goes like 3 holes!!
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Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
You should be sick of defending it... If it was so great in the fist place or, if someone actually thought it was the wave of the future it would still be made.. I dont know if your all blind or what but NONE of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... If anyone really thought it would save snowmobiling or be the future of the sport at least one of them would make a triple still... wouldnt they???
All you guys bitch and complain so much about Polaris and not making a triple past 03 ruined them... and bla this and bla that... We want this and we want that... You dont buy what comes out until 3-5 years after the fact so why should your demigraph have any say in whats build? Hell most of you didnt even get XCR's till they hadnt been made for 2 years.. If not more... Face it.. you wont ever get **** by your incesent complaints... The vast majority of you havent rode a sled made in the last 5 years if not longer..
If there was in fact such a HOT DEMANDING market for triples... THEY WOULD STILL BE MADE TODAY!!!! Its not rocket science here.. Company's make what sells.. If you havent bought a new sled in ever or once in 5 years why on earth would they care about what you say? Or what you want or consider to be ideal for that matter...
Face it.. The Gen 2 chassis is old and outdated (it has been for the better part of 5 years) for anything other than strait line riding or minor trail riding, and the X 10 is back braking on a good day... Ride anything newer in the iq chassis for a week then get back on a gen 2.. You will be like why the hell am I riding this thing for? After riding the dragon I have no desire what so ever to ride a edge chassis sled let alone a gen 2... XCR 800 or not.. Its still NO FUN...
I have to laugh to about those that think the new 800 is such a POS... yeah a 800 twin that makes about 5 HP less than a 800 triple. Whose the joke on here???? Faced with the restraints of the EPA face it.. The sleds are sickly detuned before they get to the consumer.. Give the twin CFI aftermarket a few years to catch up technology wise then see where we are at...
Face it... Whats built is what sells... If the sleds of today didnt sell they wouldnt be build in the first place!..... I think alot of you fail to realize how many updates the sleds of yesteryear had... The only thing was you didnt know about most of them since you didnt have the internet so you couldnt hear about all of them...
Everyone bitches about the 900 and the 700 like they are the worst sleds ever made... Funny thing is alot of you havent even ever seen one let alone rode one..
How the hell you know what your talking about in the first place is beyond me..
Its laughable that you worry about how much the handle bars on the 900 shake at idle.. The Dragon is pretty much just as bad... yet no one complains about that...
Its really funny how things work..
Mark PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go away!! Once again your argument is weak and pathetic at best!!!! For the love of God PLEASE quit comparing the Iq chassis to a GenII , agressive or wedge!! Your argument also shows your complete lack of knowledge of how american companies do business! There is only one reason POO quit building a triple, that reason is MONEY, plain and simple, it costs less to build a twin (less parts=less cost) but what happened in 04?? Did you see the price of the new light weight twin do DOWN?? Of course you didn't, it went UP!! And Polaris had pulled the wool over enough peoples eyes to get them to believe the whole weight scam, why do you think you never saw a twin in the aggressive chassis or a triple in the edge?? It wasn't to hard for POO to get the sheep to belive when you compare a 555 lb aggressive compared to a lighter weight Edge chassis sled!! It doesn't take a G.E.D to figure that out!! 03 was just the beginning of POO's wait and see what everybody else is building and then try and catch up theory that has been the norm every since!!
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beyer600fusion
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Quote originally posted by ultrastud
Mark PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go away!! Once again your argument is weak and pathetic at best!!!! For the love of God PLEASE quit comparing the Iq chassis to a GenII , agressive or wedge!! Your argument also shows your complete lack of knowledge of how american companies do business! There is only one reason POO quit building a triple, that reason is MONEY, plain and simple, it costs less to build a twin (less parts=less cost) but what happened in 04?? Did you see the price of the new light weight twin do DOWN?? Of course you didn't, it went UP!! And Polaris had pulled the wool over enough peoples eyes to get them to believe the whole weight scam, why do you think you never saw a twin in the aggressive chassis or a triple in the edge?? It wasn't to hard for POO to get the sheep to belive when you compare a 555 lb aggressive compared to a lighter weight Edge chassis sled!! It doesn't take a G.E.D to figure that out!! 03 was just the beginning of POO's wait and see what everybody else is building and then try and catch up theory that has been the norm every since!!
Stay out of trying to make an intelligent argument and stick with doing something your good at......like falsifying police reports or something!!! 
doesnt a four stroke cost more too, and more than a triple? So it couldnt have been about money
1st of all the real weight of the xp is 439.
2nd it is how the engine makes the hp through out the rpm range.
3rd the Dragon 800sp has the Ripsaw track 1.25.
4th ,you have no idea of what you are talking about.
5th get the F-CK out and stop bashing.
6th your Mach z 1000 is a chit box.
I may be a retard, but I'm the smartest one I know.
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powersledder
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Quote originally posted by beyer600fusion doesnt a four stroke cost more too, and more than a triple? So it couldnt have been about money I think you should listen to your signature Quote 4th ,you have no idea of what you are talking about.
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beyer600fusion
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how come four strokes cost more then?
1st of all the real weight of the xp is 439.
2nd it is how the engine makes the hp through out the rpm range.
3rd the Dragon 800sp has the Ripsaw track 1.25.
4th ,you have no idea of what you are talking about.
5th get the F-CK out and stop bashing.
6th your Mach z 1000 is a chit box.
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April 5th 2008 at 7:01 PM
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Like the triple 2S, more parts = more money
And also just like the triple, it is very easy to get high HP out of them. That is why they keep selling
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April 5th 2008 at 7:04 PM
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beyer600fusion
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so then i was right when i said it cant be about the money cause four strokes cost more than triples and 2s to makes and we make those instead of triples
1st of all the real weight of the xp is 439.
2nd it is how the engine makes the hp through out the rpm range.
3rd the Dragon 800sp has the Ripsaw track 1.25.
4th ,you have no idea of what you are talking about.
5th get the F-CK out and stop bashing.
6th your Mach z 1000 is a chit box.
I may be a retard, but I'm the smartest one I know.
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April 5th 2008 at 7:13 PM
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powersledder
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Quote 4th ,you have no idea of what you are talking about. Its called marketing, read what has been previously posted. Polaris wanted more money. So they made everyone believe that triples were too outdated and heavy and everyone should buy a cheaper lighter twin. Then Polaris dropped the triple and raised the prices on the twins. Good marketing kept the sheep coming in and buying their BS.
In the late '90s yamaha made the decision to go all 4-stroke, then that was a big gamble. But today it has payed off because their 4-stroke are far more advanced than any of the other Big 3's. SO they basically have the 4-stroke market cornered. If someone wants a 4-stroke sled, most likely they'll go with a yamaha.
Now, before you go and repeat yourself again. To the best of my knowledge most of yamahas parts are produced in Japan or china where it is a hell of a lot cheaper
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April 5th 2008 at 7:16 PM
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beyer600fusion
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Quote originally posted by powersledder
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Quote 4th ,you have no idea of what you are talking about. Its called marketing, read what has been previously posted. Polaris wanted more money. So they made everyone believe that triples were too outdated and heavy and everyone should buy a cheaper lighter twin. Then Polaris dropped the triple and raised the prices on the twins. Good marketing kept the sheep coming in and buying their BS.
In the late '90s yamaha made the decision to go all 4-stroke, then that was a big gamble. But today it has payed off because their 4-stroke are far more advanced than any of the other Big 3's. SO they basically have the 4-stroke market cornered. If someone wants a 4-stroke sled, most likely they'll go with a yamaha.
Now, before you go and repeat yourself again. To the best of my knowledge most of yamahas parts are produced in Japan or china where it is a hell of a lot cheaper
ok i got what you are saying. my bad
If you read over at HCS about 2010 there is talk about either a 1000, larger 4stroke or a triple again
1st of all the real weight of the xp is 439.
2nd it is how the engine makes the hp through out the rpm range.
3rd the Dragon 800sp has the Ripsaw track 1.25.
4th ,you have no idea of what you are talking about.
5th get the F-CK out and stop bashing.
6th your Mach z 1000 is a chit box.
I may be a retard, but I'm the smartest one I know.
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April 5th 2008 at 7:36 PM
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Back in 03 it was all about the money beyer, when Polaris dropped the Fugi engine and started building their own and cut the triple the CONSUMER should've benifted from it the next year, instead the price of Polaris sleds went up just like any other year when they still carried the Fugi and the STOCK HOLDER benifited!! And when you look at the cost of a 4-stroke their really not that much more expensive IF you plan on keeping it it for 4-5 years or if you have no $5000.00 turbo plans for it. IF you plan on trading a stroker in EVERY year just so you can have the latest and greatest sled then it gets kinda hard to justify the price, but the same can be said about trading a smoker in EVERY year too.....
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April 5th 2008 at 8:15 PM
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beyer600fusion
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^^^thanks for clearifing that for me guys. i get what you were saying earlier now and that does make sense
1st of all the real weight of the xp is 439.
2nd it is how the engine makes the hp through out the rpm range.
3rd the Dragon 800sp has the Ripsaw track 1.25.
4th ,you have no idea of what you are talking about.
5th get the F-CK out and stop bashing.
6th your Mach z 1000 is a chit box.
I may be a retard, but I'm the smartest one I know.
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April 6th 2008 at 7:28 AM
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Hmmm, it always amazes me how people just throw aside the triple like it's yesterdays technology. Removing one cylinder and reducing the weight is not new technology. Let's face it, in the 90's we saw piston port, single pipe triples hitting 100 mph like nothing. Now when they set out and test twins we debate and talk about doctored numbers and the gimmicks that the big four use to sell sleds. How sad. Is it time to get back to basics? Yeah it is. Stop acting like your producing what we want and start actually producing something we want. I want a sled that is comfortable for 300+ miles in a day and be able to get back up and do 300 miles the next day, yet I want a fast sled when I get a lake. That's all I want. Back when Polaris was the #1 selling manufacturer they had a lineup that included, XLT/XCR 600, Ultra 680, Storm 800. What are these? By no means were they the fast accelerating twins we have today, but they were the most comfortable at the time and they were fast when they had to be. The XCR 600 SP and 680 Ultra crankcases brought about another beast, the XCR 800. The 800 storm was your lake racer and as Madcow said you can make 200 HP in that mill. Yes have we improved the comfort factor, yeah we have, but we have taken our new engine tech and put it on mills that are limited.
So for all those out there who want to complain about the twin haters, stop acting like removing a cylinder is new technology. The fact is, you are the outdated ones, and you are the cattle being herded into the slaughter house doors.
Cause I don't give a rats about who took second or 12th for that matter your just the next loser in a long line of many losers.
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April 6th 2008 at 7:58 AM
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Quote originally posted by xc1000
Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
Quote originally posted by slamdry
Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
You should be sick of defending it... If it was so great in the fist place or, if someone actually thought it was the wave of the future it would still be made.. I dont know if your all blind or what but NONE of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... If anyone really thought it would save snowmobiling or be the future of the sport at least one of them would make a triple still... wouldnt they???
you may want to re think that statement becasue i am almost 200% sure that Yamaha still makes triples, correct me if im wrong but im thinking the venture, the vector, ohh and whats that other one.... OHH YEAH the NYTRO is a triple. Or did i jsut make all that up.... They all may be 4-stroke triples, but hey, not everyone is perfect... but atlest its a start.
The arguement revolves around the 2 stroke triple I do belive (if not I stand corrected) but in my line of thinking thats what it is.. So yammies 4 strokes dont count...
Your right the yammies dont count, But that sled is a heavy terd and they still sell so why wouldnt a triple?
Why wont they sell a 2-stroke triple? Emissions is big. Well, you say, that they are easily to build cleaner now. But now, your losing power as well. Great. Good for you. You now have a weak, heavy, 2-stroke.
Quote originally posted by Dirty_Harry
It would be awesome if they made another triple. I mean with current technology and all. Thing would be a beast!
No. Not really 800 cc triple, 120 hp. WOAH! Look out! I mean cmon. There not gonna do it because 10 guys on sf want one.
Quote originally posted by powersledder
Like the triple 2S, more parts = more money
And also just like the triple, it is very easy to get high HP out of them. That is why they keep selling
Triples wont sell. Deal with it. You say its easy to get more hp out of them, thats why they'll sell. Wrong. Well maybe. But no one nowadays wants to buy a brand new sled just to work on it.
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Quote originally posted by extremefilmsproductions
No. Not really 800 cc triple, 120 hp. WOAH! Look out! I mean cmon. There not gonna do it because 10 guys on sf want one.
WTF are you talking about? Let's face it you have no clue, because and EFI system is put on a motor to make the motor more efficient, not just more ECO friendly. Polaris was the first to experiment with EFI back in the late 80's with Injection Research Specialists, but produced such a basic EFI system that the efficiency factor never happened. Now with todays systems we are finally almost there, we are on the verge of direct injection in sleds and are already doing it on certain watercraft. Direct injection is going to change the face of efficiency and horsepower, because many of the two-strokes inefficiencies will be eliminated with this technology. The fact is you don't know what your talking about. As illustrated by your comments.
The XCR 800 was a 150 HP monster that would stomp most sleds even today, it never had the benefit of the EFI systems you've become so reliant on. In fact I'd lay odds that an even older sled, the T-Cat would lay waste to all of todays new sleds, and it never had the benefit of EFI either. So the fact is, is you like your twin because of the sheep factor. Go follow the other sheep off the cliff now please...
Cause I don't give a rats about who took second or 12th for that matter your just the next loser in a long line of many losers.
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April 6th 2008 at 9:55 AM
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Quote originally posted by extremefilmsproductions
Quote originally posted by xc1000
Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
Quote originally posted by slamdry
Quote originally posted by SLEDFX
You should be sick of defending it... If it was so great in the fist place or, if someone actually thought it was the wave of the future it would still be made.. I dont know if your all blind or what but NONE of the big four still make a triple.. thats right Zero... Not a single one... If anyone really thought it would save snowmobiling or be the future of the sport at least one of them would make a triple still... wouldnt they???
you may want to re think that statement becasue i am almost 200% sure that Yamaha still makes triples, correct me if im wrong but im thinking the venture, the vector, ohh and whats that other one.... OHH YEAH the NYTRO is a triple. Or did i jsut make all that up.... They all may be 4-stroke triples, but hey, not everyone is perfect... but atlest its a start.
The arguement revolves around the 2 stroke triple I do belive (if not I stand corrected) but in my line of thinking thats what it is.. So yammies 4 strokes dont count...
Your right the yammies dont count, But that sled is a heavy terd and they still sell so why wouldnt a triple?
Why wont they sell a 2-stroke triple? Emissions is big. Well, you say, that they are easily to build cleaner now. But now, your losing power as well. Great. Good for you. You now have a weak, heavy, 2-stroke.
Quote originally posted by Dirty_Harry
It would be awesome if they made another triple. I mean with current technology and all. Thing would be a beast!
No. Not really 800 cc triple, 120 hp. WOAH! Look out! I mean cmon. There not gonna do it because 10 guys on sf want one.
Quote originally posted by powersledder
Like the triple 2S, more parts = more money
And also just like the triple, it is very easy to get high HP out of them. That is why they keep selling
thats a problem right there. the new sleds are lemons. I have not met one rider of a sled built newer than 05 that has not had to take it in to the dealer for repairs or because something is way out of wack.
triples were selling. like 650 said. back in the day polaris had triples while everyone else had twins. if the others got as comfy as a polaris ride, polaris still had the extra engine to win a race along with good ride. it wasnt to long until everyone else followed because 3 holes where selling sleds. the factorys changed the sledding world by pushing slo cross and freestyle riding. out went the day of 200 mile per day comfort sleds and everything is big bump trail race sleds. that is why when yami came out with a 4 stroke heavy machine while everyone else was trying light weight. yami started climbing the sales ladder. because the average trail rider wants comfort, not the ability to jump a house, but comfort to get over rough trails and ride for hundres of miles per day. the yami fit that bill, great power, heavy to stick to the trails, great gas milage. DEPENDABLE. and every year the other 3 screw up with bad cranks and what not, yami just sells more sleds. now everyone is trying to play catch up.
just read the amsnow and snow goer radar results. a new 600 cfi dragon is no faster than a 98 xcr 600sp, but it is close to 100 lbs lighter, has 10 years of technology on it. better body, I will admit it is a better machine to ride the rough with. but point being. in performance wise the heavy old 600 of 98 gets the same speed results, same gas milage, and on a groomed trail, i will kill you. because although they have the same 1/4 mile speed the old 600 has a lot more top end speed. and for groomed trail riding. the new sled isnt going to touch that old lunker.
I am just going to wait and build my iq triple, and then see how many times i have to take it to a dealer for reflash, and updates, even if i detuned it for 180 hp it will still kill anything polaris has to offer in the same chassis. now we are comparing apples to apples. same chassis just different engine. so if i get good milage, dependable sled with huge hp isnt that what everyone wants, and i guarenty that if i put it up for sale, it will sell for a good price and very fast. why? because its what people want.
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