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cutting costs on oil
- Is it OK to run Valvoline 2 cycle oil in non-VES Polaris sleds
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September 14th 2008 at 11:49 AM
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polariskid37
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I've always run Polaris blue oil in my 2002 XC 500 and 2001 xcsp 800. With expenses on the rise I'm trying to find ways to save some money. I'm thinking about using Valvoline at about $12.00 per gallon as apposed to genuine Polaris at $25. Obviously Polaris doesn't make their own oil and Valvoline may be what's in their container anyway. Does anyone have any experience with Valvoline - good or bad? Any other less expensive oils that have proven a good way to save some money?? All advise appreciated.
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September 14th 2008 at 11:52 AM
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xcr440
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You can use it. I buy polaris blue in 2.5gallon jugs. I pay $25 per jug comes to $10 per gallon.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
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2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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September 14th 2008 at 12:22 PM
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powdermadd440
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Quote originally posted by xcr440
You can use it. I buy polaris blue in 2.5gallon jugs. I pay $25 per jug comes to $10 per gallon.
Where do you buy those? I buy amsoil in a gallon from my local parts dealer because my polaris dealer is 30 minutes away. That is a few bucks cheaper than the polaris oil.
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September 14th 2008 at 12:33 PM
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phazerBILL
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I used Penzoil Outdoor 2 cycle oil on both my non powervaulved yami's. Still running strong.
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September 14th 2008 at 12:40 PM
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xcr440
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xcr440 is drinking high lifes polishing the sleds. Who wants to help....
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Quote originally posted by powdermadd440
Quote originally posted by xcr440
You can use it. I buy polaris blue in 2.5gallon jugs. I pay $25 per jug comes to $10 per gallon.
Where do you buy those? I buy amsoil in a gallon from my local parts dealer because my polaris dealer is 30 minutes away. That is a few bucks cheaper than the polaris oil.
my dealer has it.
You can use citgo sea and snow also. It is usually around $12-$14 a gallon.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
"Steep ground is when your cutting a notch and notice a mountain goat looking at you like you are crazy." - Hexan
woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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September 14th 2008 at 12:45 PM
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Octane
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Oil isnt a place where Id be trying to save money. I personally wouldnt be using an oil that is designed for chainsaws/weed wackers or outboard boat motors. The needs of a snowmobile oil are vastly different from the needs of the above-mentioned oils.
If you want to save money, the first thing Id do is get rid of that gas-guzzling 800.
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Powermadd articulating bar riser with 2" riser block, Pro-X seat, Pure Polaris handguards with Pure Polaris handguard mounts, red Cobra low sno-x windshield, almond/blue primary spring with 10-60 weights and 121" x 15" x .91 track with 96 studs.
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September 14th 2008 at 1:04 PM
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addrenjunky
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why not save a few bucks by dropping about 7 sizes on the main jets, you will
improve your gas mileage, it makes about as much sense as running cheap oil, youll save big in the short run. penny wise dollar stupid!
2002 polaris 440 pro x chassis, 02 800 ves ported ,slp twins,boyesen reeds, racepack egt gauges, k&n filters and prefilters
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September 14th 2008 at 1:18 PM
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Personally, I don't see why you couldn't use it. Valvoline is a name brand oil, and you have a non-VES engine.
I use Phillips 66 Injex oil. It is inexpensive, and is rated pretty darn good. It has a very low pour point, and was the official oil of some snowmobile racing series..... I just don't remember which one.
Look into it and compare it to Valvoline, price-wise.
Dave
Sheboygan WI
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September 14th 2008 at 1:27 PM
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Polaris-Man
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Quote originally posted by addrenjunky
why not save a few bucks by dropping about 7 sizes on the main jets, you will
improve your gas mileage, it makes about as much sense as running cheap oil, youll save big in the short run. penny wise dollar stupid!
Because replacing pistons from running lean is so much cheaper.
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September 14th 2008 at 2:57 PM
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Haha^^
Alright, you know what addrenjunky, out of my 1600 miles run last year, 1400 of them were running.. hm.. I dont even know what its called. They sell it at walmart for $7.95 a gallon, and the only difference my sled had vs amsoil dominator was smell and smoke. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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September 14th 2008 at 3:01 PM
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addrenjunky
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why not save a few bucks by dropping about 7 sizes on the main jets, you will
improve your gas mileage, it makes about as much sense as running cheap oil, youll save big in the short run. penny wise dollar stupid!
congrats brp on giving me my first negative-
2002 polaris 440 pro x chassis, 02 800 ves ported ,slp twins,boyesen reeds, racepack egt gauges, k&n filters and prefilters
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September 18th 2008 at 10:36 AM
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kingofkings
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I run Valvoline and it works just as well as Arcticcat Oil and it is way cheaper.
I only run Arcticat oil if I am almost out and the store doesn't supply Valvoline.
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September 18th 2008 at 10:45 AM
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polaris21
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Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE
Haha^^
Alright, you know what addrenjunky, out of my 1600 miles run last year, 1400 of them were running.. hm.. I dont even know what its called. They sell it at walmart for $7.95 a gallon, and the only difference my sled had vs amsoil dominator was smell and smoke. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Thats what i was running last year in all the sleds and never had a problem.
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September 18th 2008 at 5:06 PM
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Dman
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I've ran Supertech 2 Stroke (Wally oil) for many thousands of mile here too.
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September 18th 2008 at 5:24 PM
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Festus33
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Quote originally posted by polaris21
Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE
Haha^^
Alright, you know what addrenjunky, out of my 1600 miles run last year, 1400 of them were running.. hm.. I dont even know what its called. They sell it at walmart for $7.95 a gallon, and the only difference my sled had vs amsoil dominator was smell and smoke. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Thats what i was running last year in all the sleds and never had a problem.
Same here
Wally world SuperTech 2 stroke!
Got to admit the smell and smoke took a little getting used to, but I've had ZERO mechanical problem's, related to oil.
My brother Bear1 also ran all last year with it in his Indy, also with Zero problem's related to oil.
I've always subscribed to the theory, that I'd rather run rich and over oiled, and foul a few plug's. than melt down an engine and have to replace piston's and cylinder's.
Rick
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September 19th 2008 at 9:57 AM
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Ive use the Valvoline for years in my Kawasaki, Ski Doo's etc also used it in my weed eaters chainsaws and never had a problem with it
mid Il alway's waiting for snow,moving north(way north)2001 thundercat 99xcr 800 97SPX ULTRA 96 zrt 600&800,92 doo plusX 92 v max 4 750
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September 19th 2008 at 12:29 PM
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arcticcatmatt
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Whats that oil walmart is selling.. its 2 stroke injection oil.
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September 19th 2008 at 2:24 PM
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According to Indy dan at indy Specialties,
you can run pretty much any 2 stroke blue oil. I think he runs castrol or something.
The guy does know his stuff.
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September 19th 2008 at 4:43 PM
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Oil my just be oil, but I only run the best, Klotz.
If anyone else wants some good oil it looks like I will be dealing Klotz this year and I should be able to get forum members a pretty good discount.
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September 19th 2008 at 5:21 PM
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citgo sea and sno i have seen many many miles on that oil smells good and is only about 10-12 per gal. fleet farm runs a sale once a yr 9.99 gal stock up. phillips 66 injex is good oil also and about 13-14 per gal. valvoline snowmobile oil is decent product to i run it for years back in the day. but i prefer citgo or phillips
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September 20th 2008 at 4:45 PM
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xcr440
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Quote originally posted by powersledder
Oil my just be oil, but I only run the best, Klotz.
If anyone else wants some good oil it looks like I will be dealing Klotz this year and I should be able to get forum members a pretty good discount.
Same here...other than the dealer part.
a good beer drinker isnt a picky beer drinker
Loggers.... Working their ass off so you can wipe yours!
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woodbooga: (WOOD-boog-ah), n. regional dialect, common to areas of New Hampshire and Maine including the towns of Ossipee, Alton, Farmington, Acton, and Lebanon; one who attempts to obtain free firewood to fuel woodburning appliances in an effort to mitigate expenses related to home heating with fossil fuels. Frequently used as a term of derision by non-woodburners who mock the presence of loose bark and other wood waste in the beds of their pickup trucks.
2003 Pro x 700 almond/blue,10-66 black/red team 719 T-flow, 440 mains
1997 xcr440 my clutch kit, 380 mains,T-flow
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September 20th 2008 at 5:17 PM
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Octane
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Quote originally posted by powersledder
Oil my just be oil, but I only run the best, Klotz.
I dont run Klotz, but I agree with you about the oil part. Id much rathar spend more for oil than to go cheap on oil and have to rebuild an engine.
Keep in mind, those cheaper oils are rated at only TC-W3, which is an outboard boat motor standard from the '70s.
The oil needs of a snowmobile engine are vastly different from the needs of an outboard boat motor.
Boat motors run at a low rpm and at a lower temp, whereas sleds run at a higher rpm and run at much higher temps.
If you guys want to go cheap on oil, knock yourself out, I'll stick to using a quality oil that I can trust (not some cheap stuff from Wal-Mart).
'01 Polaris Indy 600 XC SP EDGE XR
Powermadd articulating bar riser with 2" riser block, Pro-X seat, Pure Polaris handguards with Pure Polaris handguard mounts, red Cobra low sno-x windshield, almond/blue primary spring with 10-60 weights and 121" x 15" x .91 track with 96 studs.
7,300 miles
NGK spark plugs
Citgo Sea and Snow oil
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September 23rd 2008 at 7:17 PM
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ArcticCat03
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IMO as long as you run a synthetic 2 stroke oil its gonna be fine with power valves. What we run can be picked up at any Farm & Fleet, or Fleet Farm for you nordern boys. The synthetic is in a gold jug and goes right into the F and crossfire and the apv's are as clean as they would be after running AmsOil.(Actual testimony after a teardown) The name of the oil escapes me now though. I wanna say ArcticBlue but dont quote me...
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September 23rd 2008 at 8:53 PM
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Minker
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Quote originally posted by Polaris-Man
Quote originally posted by addrenjunky
why not save a few bucks by dropping about 7 sizes on the main jets, you will
improve your gas mileage, it makes about as much sense as running cheap oil, youll save big in the short run. penny wise dollar stupid!
Because replacing pistons from running lean is so much cheaper.
Polaris-man you always use logic...pay me now...or pay me later my Po dealer always say's to Id**ts!
Get er done!
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