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why you should ceep your power valves clean! - pick's started by formula700
November 12th 2008 at 10:18 PM  [ Modified November 12th 2008 at 10:18 PM ]
 
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this is why you should keep your valves clean!





what happend was the valve got dirty, and the cable pulled out of the valve, well the valve floated in and got hit by the piston and some how there is NO damage on the jug or piston or rings, still 130 compression, amazing?
(the screw is in the valve because we tried to get it out that way,)
it was soo flared up from the piston, that we had to pop the head off and tap it in and it came out that way.

it sux that it hapend, but at least it hapend before the snow!!:)



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November 13th 2008 at 6:12 AM
 
Luke68Polaris
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Call me stupid, but dont the valves on sleds open and close the ports, so even if it "floated" like you say, it would just be full open (or closed) and it would just run like crap?

A valve can "float" on a 4 stroke, because it will open and be whacked by the piston, but the valves on sleds are at the same x axis all the time, the just go up and down (y axis)

If that makes sence to anyone.



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November 13th 2008 at 7:05 AM
 
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yea it has a stopper.it cant touch the piston unless its mutilated!




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November 13th 2008 at 12:07 PM
 
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If the stem of the valve breaks off, or in this case, the cable holding it in place, the valve can fall in the cylinder and cause a world of hurt. Thats the reason for the valve upgrades for the liberty 800 motors.




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November 13th 2008 at 4:25 PM
 
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yea it pulled out and broke the stem off, there for hitting the piston



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November 20th 2008 at 8:19 PM
 
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I'd be double checking the piston if thats the case, if its free of damage you are very lucky.



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November 20th 2008 at 10:44 PM
 
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HORSEPOWER: If it doesn't scare you, you don't have enough!!!
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yea its perfect, we were shocked, it dident break when he was rideing, it broke while idleing in the garage!



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November 21st 2008 at 1:35 AM  [ Modified November 21st 2008 at 1:43 AM ]
 
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It's been a while since I cleaned the valves on a Yami but I'm pretty sure they have a stopper on them to keep the valve from falling into the combustion chamber. That's Yamaha engineering for ya. Something Polaris obviously had no interest in doing.
Quote originally posted by Luke68Polaris

Call me stupid, but dont the valves on sleds open and close the ports, so even if it "floated" like you say, it would just be full open (or closed) and it would just run like crap?

A valve can "float" on a 4 stroke, because it will open and be whacked by the piston, but the valves on sleds are at the same x axis all the time, the just go up and down (y axis)

If that makes sence to anyone.


The valves sit diagonally(z axis). They cover part(not all of) the exhaust port at low RPM in order to imitate a motor with lower exhaust ports(creates more torque and better MPG). That's because it allows all of the power from the fuel/air mixture to be used completely after it's burned. The lower the opening of the exhaust port is, the longer the burned mixture will stay in the combustion chamber.

At high RPM the valve opens and does not block off the exhaust port at all, the motor runs exactly how it would if the exhaust valves were not there. Higher exhaust ports are required to exhaust the burned fuel/air mixture because of the high RPM(less time for the mixture to leave the cylinder). This fast exit of the burned mixture also helps somewhat to "pull" the incoming fresh charge of fuel and air into the combustion chamber for the next power stroke.

If the valves are stuck closed the power will be less than optimum at high RPM, if the valves are stuck open the power and MPG will be less than optimum at low and middle RPM's.

Yamaha and Arctic Cat powervalves are servo motor controlled and have only an open and closed state, nothing in between.

Polaris powervalves are controlled by cylinder pressure(500-800 VES), the CFI sleds and race sleds are solenoid controlled though I believe.

Ski-Doo's powervalves are also controlled by cylinder pressure. An advantage that they have is that there is two different valves within the housing which creates three different stages for the valves(for low, mid and high RPM operation). Just another reason why Ski-Doo's have good fuel economy.



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