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car audio freaks
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November 19th 2008 at 9:29 PM
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440_jag
450 horse ditch bannger
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1488 Posts 
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Member Since: July 30th 2007
Location: Galesville, wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 2002 zr 500 cce
2008-2009 Miles: 500
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is there any HUGE car audio freaks that can help me get the right stuff I want out of my system?
2002 Zr 500 CCE
D&D pipe ported polished y 6 inch riser Acerbis Handguards Chrome winshield Pro-glider Rack Rsi pad Ripped graphics Fox snow pro shocks clickers
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November 19th 2008 at 9:32 PM
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viper2k2
let it sno
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Location: fowlerville, michigan, USA
Current Sled: 2k2 viper
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wrong place to post but what do you want bass
YEE HAW!!!!!!
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November 19th 2008 at 9:39 PM
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sledneck1978
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I don't know what you have but I can help...I think I have some pics of my last install.
Pioneer AVEC D-3 (Nav & Blue tooth)
Boston 5.25" components
Boston 5x7" coaxials
2 JL 10's
Memphis 5 channel (200x1,50x4)
O.K.-No pics. I'll take a few tomorrow. Mine is all stealth. I've got all that in an 08' ford one ton super crew. If you didn't see the head unit you wouldn't know it had a system. I did lose my spot were my jack was mounted though. I don't know what kind of bass you want but my JL's pound and take up very little space.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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November 19th 2008 at 9:55 PM
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440_jag
450 horse ditch bannger
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1488 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 30th 2007
Location: Galesville, wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 2002 zr 500 cce
2008-2009 Miles: 500
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Well i want sure where to post but i have a insignia deck, 2 1200 kenwoods and a 1000 kenwood amp. I was told that my subs are junk and that my deck isnt made for "subs". What do you guys think?
2002 Zr 500 CCE
D&D pipe ported polished y 6 inch riser Acerbis Handguards Chrome winshield Pro-glider Rack Rsi pad Ripped graphics Fox snow pro shocks clickers
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November 19th 2008 at 9:59 PM
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99zl
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201 Posts
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Location: Albert Lea, MN
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i got two 10' kenwoods, 600 watt amp, cant remember the brand, pioneer speakers all four, and cd player, i know i know get a bigger amp. but im a dad see, dont wanna make my daughter go deaf. and plus i drive a civic, it rattles the crap out of it, my bro has two 12' jl audios, orion amp and crossover and kenwood cd player. now thats loud.
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November 19th 2008 at 10:10 PM
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ACG
Sell-Out - Moderator
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Member Since: October 29th 2001
Location: Bountiful, UT, USA
Current Sled: 2009 Dragon 800
2008-2009 Miles: 1500
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Telling people what you want out of your system would be a start....
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November 19th 2008 at 10:12 PM
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440_jag
450 horse ditch bannger
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1488 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 30th 2007
Location: Galesville, wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 2002 zr 500 cce
2008-2009 Miles: 500
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Haa well i have a 97 escort and ever thing on that car rattles. and mine done even pound that hard. I was wanting to put some cvr 12s on it but i don't have the money. but realisticly I want to get some alpine type e 12s. Anyone know what they think of these subs?
2002 Zr 500 CCE
D&D pipe ported polished y 6 inch riser Acerbis Handguards Chrome winshield Pro-glider Rack Rsi pad Ripped graphics Fox snow pro shocks clickers
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November 19th 2008 at 10:18 PM
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99zl
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Member Since: October 9th 2008
Location: Albert Lea, MN
Current Sled: 99' ZL 440
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Quote originally posted by 440_jag
Haa well i have a 97 escort and ever thing on that car rattles. and mine done even pound that hard. I was wanting to put some cvr 12s on it but i don't have the money. but realisticly I want to get some alpine type e 12s. Anyone know what they think of these subs?
never heard of them, insted u should get some cerwin vegas. my cousin has two 15' and a 12' he has a tahoe, u should here that thing. he has 2000 watt amps to each 15, and 1000 watt to the 12'
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November 19th 2008 at 10:22 PM
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440_jag
450 horse ditch bannger
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1488 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 30th 2007
Location: Galesville, wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 2002 zr 500 cce
2008-2009 Miles: 500
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Well its not ponding like I would want it too. i was wodering if there would be a problem with me having these subs or a cheap deck. BTW it was like 120$ deck
2002 Zr 500 CCE
D&D pipe ported polished y 6 inch riser Acerbis Handguards Chrome winshield Pro-glider Rack Rsi pad Ripped graphics Fox snow pro shocks clickers
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November 19th 2008 at 10:24 PM
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Kawasaki_Kid
i love my wedge chassis... so what?
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963 Posts 
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Member Since: December 27th 2004
Location: winnipeg, manitoba, Canada
Current Sled: 93 Indy trail
2008-2009 Miles: 1250
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Quote originally posted by 440_jag
...but realisticly I want to get some alpine type e 12s. Anyone know what they think of these subs?
I have two 10"E's in my s 10, they pound more then hard enough to have good concert sound. but if you want people to hear you from a block away(literally) i dont think 2 12"E's would do it.
Snowmobiling is more than a hobbie, its a life style.
93 Polaris Indy Trail 500
78 Kawasaki intruder 440<< hense the name
78 suzuki A100-A
90 chevy S-10 lowered 4"
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November 19th 2008 at 10:28 PM
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pigboy
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3107 Posts
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Member Since: December 23rd 2002
Location: hermantown, mn, USA
Current Sled: 1997 XLTsp
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I'm still running the same speakers from high school, that was 22 years ago...what do you need to know.
I reject your reality and substitute my own. 
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November 19th 2008 at 10:53 PM
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440_jag
450 horse ditch bannger
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1488 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 30th 2007
Location: Galesville, wisconsin, USA
Current Sled: 2002 zr 500 cce
2008-2009 Miles: 500
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Well the type es are like 150$ and iv heard they will pound the **** out of my 2 kenwoods. Im just wondering what you guys would run off a 1000 watt amp. im looking to spend like 300 to 350 max
2002 Zr 500 CCE
D&D pipe ported polished y 6 inch riser Acerbis Handguards Chrome winshield Pro-glider Rack Rsi pad Ripped graphics Fox snow pro shocks clickers
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November 19th 2008 at 11:40 PM
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MXZfasty02
Junior Member
MXZfasty02 wheres the snow?
Updated Yesterday at 10:23 AM
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Member Since: January 4th 2006
Location: Detroit lakes, MN, USA
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Get dual voice coil subs. They are better for all around performance, and pound hard.
I have a Rockford 12im with a 1200 watt mono rockford amp.
It pounds the crap out of my honda, and handles every type of music.
Youll want to get a deack that will handle the amp as well.
Also, if you want to spend a little more money, get JL or Rockford. Alpimes and Kenwood are good too for the money I think. Stay away from ebay deals on cheap brands. They sound crappy in my opinion.
Ive gone through 5 different setups on the last 5 years and have learned from every one of them.
It all depends on what you want to hear, and how loud you want it to be.
Do you guys agree with me?
My ride: 2002 Skidoo MXZ 600. All Yellow and proud of it.
Dads: 1999 MXZ 600
SNOWMOBILING: THE ANTI DRUG!
*74mph in 660 foot track= one hell of an adrenaline rush!!
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November 19th 2008 at 11:44 PM
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Pm this guy. He knows everything there is to know about car audio.
Parasitic_Whim
08 800 Dragon 155
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November 20th 2008 at 1:43 AM
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if you want a pound hard sub that can handle decent power and you can pick up for dirt cheap used look into the pioneer premier 12's. they ave a few different series of them but they bang for the buck wise they are good.you can pick up older mtx amps that are way under rated and be found on the cheap used.also crunch,hifonics can be had fairly cheap used and are great $ per wattage amps. your gonna wanna upgrade your deck like now. those insignia car audio decks are junk. you can pick up decent pioneers at walmart for cheap.interior speakers again pioneer makes a decent speaker for the money. i personally have had MTX 9510's JL audio 12w7's and now have these
 the pioneer premier TS3004SPL's 12" in a ported box running off my ever trusty mtx thunder 7801 mono block amp. subs are dual 4 ohm coils wired to a 1 ohm load and been running that way for 3 months now.i picked up the subs in the box with a crunch groundpounder 1600.1 amp off of craigslist for 200 bucks. deals can be had and this is my OPINION.
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November 20th 2008 at 6:02 AM
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triplepleasure
Senior Member
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2056 Posts
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Member Since: February 26th 2004
Location: CT, USA
Current Sled: 2007 MXZ 600 HO SDI Blizz
2008-2009 Miles: 1230
2009-2010 Miles: 0
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Just a thought, and no offense to anyone on this forum, but if you want some advice on car audio you should try consulting a web forum dedicated to car audio.
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November 20th 2008 at 6:13 AM
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sledneck1978
HAIL CHASER
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2143 Posts
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Member Since: August 9th 2007
Location: Andover, MN
2008-2009 Miles: 875
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Quote originally posted by 440_jag
Haa well i have a 97 escort and ever thing on that car rattles. and mine done even pound that hard. I was wanting to put some cvr 12s on it but i don't have the money. but realisticly I want to get some alpine type e 12s. Anyone know what they think of these subs?
LOL....You remind me of myself when I was 16. My first car was an 81' olds omega. I got it for 3 hundred bucks and probably had 6 hundred into the system 
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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November 20th 2008 at 6:15 AM
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kow500cc
Junior Member
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280 Posts
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Member Since: January 4th 2005
Location: Flint, GREAT LAKES GREAT TIMES, USA
Current Sled: 2002 MXZ 800
2008-2009 Miles: 650
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i need a set of speakers for the rear of my quad cab S-10 anyone have some to sell? I think they are 4x6 not sure though. KOW
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November 20th 2008 at 6:58 AM
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Parasitic_Whim
Advanced Member
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1955 Posts
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Member Since: December 6th 2004
Location: Freeport, IL, USA
Current Sled: '89 Yamaha Exciter 580
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Alright, I'm probably going to piss off a few people here, but the car audio world is full of so much mis-truth, and I've seen a fair amount of it here.
MXZfasty02 - Dual voice coil subs offer absolutely NO advantage over single or quad voice coil subs other than wiring flexibility. A single coil 4 ohm sub is exactly that, 4 ohms, a dual coil 4 ohm sub can be wired to either 2 ohms or 8 ohms. Other than that difference, there is absolutely no audible difference between SVC, DVC, and QVC. The only difference is tiny differences in The QES and MMS parameters, but they're usually so tiny that even Dumax testers rarely pick them up.
Kawasaki_Kid - 2 12" subs is more than plenty to be heard a block away. But the question is, why would you want to do that? sound escaping yor car is also sound that is not getting to you. It's inefficient and irresponsible. A car that rattles is both a nuissance and illegal, not to mention a screaming invitation for someone to jack your sh*t.
99zl - A bigger amp will more than likely create more problems than is worth it. Until you literally double the wattage, you wont gain much in noticable ouput. Plus when you start using that much current, you need bigger expensive wiring, a bigger, expensive battery, and a bigger, expensive alternator to properly and safely run it. Stick with the amp you have now, it's not worth the hassle. If you change anything, improve your box, 90% of what you hear is controlled by your box. A good sub in a crappy box is like putting a Corvette engine in a Yugo chassis. BTW, Cerwin Vega hasn't been a relative factor in any sort of audio for the past 10 years. Their stuff is still good, but much better gear can be purchased for considerably less money.
440_jag - There is no such thing as a deck that isn't made for subs, any deck (even stock) can be used with subs. Your biggest problem right now is body panel flex. You need to deaden that car now if you want any sort of good quality sound in it. Second Skin is by far the best on the market (Dynamat is also a good product, but too expensive for it's performance level). Also, a single good quality sub in a properly designed and built ported box will offer you better results than two cheap subs in a crappy box, plus it will be cheaper.
PM me your budget and goals, and I will give you several good options, or at least a good idea on where to start.
"you kept trying to make scrambled eggs with 3 hardboiled ones."
"Just wondering why in an apartment full of stoners there is half a waffle in the TRASH CAN. get ur s**t together man"
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November 20th 2008 at 11:25 AM
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This post is considered "no good" by the community with a rating of -6. View it anyways?
i had the jack hammer and the jl audios. there the 2 best subs out there. but the jack hammer is way to heavy and expensive. so id go jl audio or the old school kicker. or even Earthquake subs. and go 12" no bigger or smaller. there will give you high and low range bass. dont listen to Parasitic Whim dual voice coil is the way to go. single and quad are weak and blow way to easy. ive been in many bass contests to know whats good.
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November 20th 2008 at 11:46 AM
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Quote originally posted by polarisfreak08
i had the jack hammer and the jl audios. there the 2 best subs out there. but the jack hammer is way to heavy and expensive. so id go jl audio or the old school kicker. or even Earthquake subs. and go 12" no bigger or smaller. there will give you high and low range bass. dont listen to Parasitic Whim dual voice coil is the way to go. single and quad are weak and blow way to easy. ive been in many bass contests to know whats good.
Wow, just wow. BRP, meet PFreak08.
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November 20th 2008 at 12:10 PM
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Quote originally posted by polarisfreak08
i had the jack hammer and the jl audios. there the 2 best subs out there. but the jack hammer is way to heavy and expensive. so id go jl audio or the old school kicker. or even Earthquake subs. and go 12" no bigger or smaller. there will give you high and low range bass. dont listen to Parasitic Whim dual voice coil is the way to go. single and quad are weak and blow way to easy. ive been in many bass contests to know whats good.
it doesnt matter the size of the subs at all. i can build a box for an 8" sub that can be just as loud as a 12" sub. infact i have 1 10" inch sub here that I can get louder and sound cleaner then most of the dual 12" setups around here. in all reality it isnt the equipment you have but its all in the install. a good box, proper wiring and electrical system. alot of car audio nuts will agree with me its like 80% install 20% equipment.a crappy install is gonna give you just that a crappy install with crappy sound. you could have the best equipment money can buy and it will still sound like ass unless its installed correctly.
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November 20th 2008 at 1:44 PM
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Parasitic_Whim
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1955 Posts
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Location: Freeport, IL, USA
Current Sled: '89 Yamaha Exciter 580
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Quote originally posted by polarisfreak08
i had the jack hammer and the jl audios. there the 2 best subs out there. but the jack hammer is way to heavy and expensive. so id go jl audio or the old school kicker. or even Earthquake subs. and go 12" no bigger or smaller. there will give you high and low range bass. dont listen to Parasitic Whim dual voice coil is the way to go. single and quad are weak and blow way to easy. ive been in many bass contests to know whats good.
Jackhammer huh? How much you pay for that beast, and how much did the suspension upgrade cost you? And what series JL subs? What do you define as high and low bass?
What was your average SPL, measured where, and on what mic?
If you know so much, back it up.
"you kept trying to make scrambled eggs with 3 hardboiled ones."
"Just wondering why in an apartment full of stoners there is half a waffle in the TRASH CAN. get ur s**t together man"
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November 20th 2008 at 2:24 PM
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Quinlan
Department of Corrections
Quinlan is a little disappointed that he received HMK Highmark 4 boots instead of the Highmark Pros as he had anticipated...
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Member Since: December 8th 2003
Location: Fargo, ND, USA
Current Sled: 06 SP 440/700, 98 ZR 600
2008-2009 Miles: 365
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Quote originally posted by Parasitic_Whim
Quote originally posted by polarisfreak08
i had the jack hammer and the jl audios. there the 2 best subs out there. but the jack hammer is way to heavy and expensive. so id go jl audio or the old school kicker. or even Earthquake subs. and go 12" no bigger or smaller. there will give you high and low range bass. dont listen to Parasitic Whim dual voice coil is the way to go. single and quad are weak and blow way to easy. ive been in many bass contests to know whats good.
If you know so much, back it up.
I'm with Whim.
I like to think I know a fair share about the car audio world...but notice I did NOT comment on this post. I'm not about to risk other peoples money and good with what I "think" I know. I may not always agree with what some people post...but as far as car audio goes...Whim as helped many people, and has some quality knowledge on the subject.
And go only 12's? Meh. I've always ran dual 10's. I've had buddies with 8's, 12's, and even 15's. In many peoples opinions, my 10's sounded MUCH better than any of theirs. I took the time to install everything properly and set it up.
2006 Arctic Cat SnoPro 440/700 EFI
1998 Arctic Cat ZR 600 EFI Custom
1996 Ski-Doo FormulaIII 600
A mountain lion roaming the prairie found a bull, killed it and ate the entire bull. With a heavy belly, unable to walk, the lion laid in the tall grass moaning and roaring. Soon a hunter, attracted by the roaring, shot and killed the lion.
Moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut!
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November 20th 2008 at 3:49 PM
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westman995
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1927 Posts
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Member Since: February 22nd 2008
Location: St. James, Minnesota, USA
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I dont have a reply for all this stuff, but i agree with whim, DVC subs have no advantage in sound, it just offers wiring flexibility to match it to an amp.
I would go with either 10s or 12s. 10s do sound pretty nice if you get them in the right box and power them good enough. Even some cheapass speakers will sound decent if mounted in the right enclosure. I personally have two 12" kicker comp vr (CVR) and they are pretty loud, i havent used them in a while but last time i did they were quite loud. I also had two 12" rockford fosgate he2 subs that were pretty nice, never had enough power for them tho, could have gotten louder and sounded better i think.
Ive also been around 10" subs. They will sound pretty nice and put out deep bass in my opinion.
I would only worry about a few things, Get some subs. Build a box to specs for that sub. Power it with enough power, doesnt have to be the exact rating, it can even be less, you just need to set the amp accordingly. I would first buy the subs, then the amp due to making sure they match up good. Depending what way you can wire the subs you may want a mono or two channel amp. Then the deck, that deck is prolly not very good and wont sound good either, its a cheap brand IMO. Even if you buy a deck from wal mart you can get a pioneer which are fairly nice in my opinion. I would prolly buy one online, prolly find it cheaper.
Ive got an alpine cda 9851, it has 3 pre amp outs which is good for a full external amplified system. Hook up a 4 channel for your speakers, and an amp for the subs. That might be more than your looking to do tho. If you want any decent sound you will prolly atleast want to replace the speakers in the doors, dash rear or whatever..
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