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Triples = problematic?
- Ae they really worse off?
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November 20th 2008 at 4:15 PM
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shortstop20
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Assuming both sleds are built equally well, there is nothing that makes a triple anymore problematic than a twin. As long as you take care of the sled it will most likely treat you well. Compare a triple and a twin of the same cc's in the same chassis and the weight difference will not be that much. Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE and the 200+hp it was making with a few modifications, What was all done to it?
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November 20th 2008 at 4:28 PM
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Bored over, had an aftermarket exhaust on it, race tuned computer, port/polished, and a couple other things here and there. It is at about 190 right now ( been de-tuned ), but should be seeing 245 with a turbo on pump gas this winter.
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November 20th 2008 at 5:12 PM
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you have to love the sound of a tripple. and the potential that it has. but twins are great and one less cylynder to worry about. it depends on what you want out of a sled. if you want a 10 year old sled to whip up on your buddys on groomed trail go with a tripple. if you want to jump and through your sled around with ease and not worry about fixin on the engine much go with a twin. I love them both. it just depends on what mood im in.
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November 20th 2008 at 5:30 PM
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stpanson
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The annual argument.
The arguement about the powerband characteristics are valid, it's personal preference. But do you guys realize that for the most part the triples in consideration are pretty old-tech? Let's not start arguing about the later model year XCR 800s, or the SRX triples, consider this- would you compare a new IQ suspension to the old XTRA-10s that were on these sleds?
It's really an old versus new argument, a lot of people would love a CFI or ETEC triple. That would be a fair comparison.
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November 20th 2008 at 7:14 PM
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the_hog
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Quote originally posted by kingofkings
Tripple are heavier than twins.
So untrue, So untrue. Anyone who thinks this is a complete [EDIT]. (I will just edit that myself since I know it wouldnt have gotten past the moderators)
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November 20th 2008 at 7:33 PM
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greasemonkey
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Arguable that most reliable snowmobile engines there is, the Yamaha Genesis 120, is a triple. That engine is so reliable that its not at all uncommon for them to go 20,000+ miles needing nothing but oil and filter changes. Infact, the first year that Yamaha sold the RS Vector in Canada, they had zero warranty claims for the engine.
The genesis has it's problems too.
http://www.snowmobilefanatics.com/forum/...splay.aspx
Over all it is a reliable motor, just a fluke like everything made by man will have.
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November 20th 2008 at 7:33 PM
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KevinEX570
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We currently have 4 triple cyl sleds. Granted we don't beat them to death, but we have had no issues. Our twin Yamahas have been equally reliable. I think it all comes down to how you treat/service your machine.
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November 20th 2008 at 7:42 PM
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Quote originally posted by greasemonkey
Arguable that most reliable snowmobile engines there is, the Yamaha Genesis 120, is a triple. That engine is so reliable that its not at all uncommon for them to go 20,000+ miles needing nothing but oil and filter changes. Infact, the first year that Yamaha sold the RS Vector in Canada, they had zero warranty claims for the engine.
The genesis has it's problems too.
http://www.snowmobilefanatics.com/forum/...splay.aspx
Over all it is a reliable motor, just a fluke like everything made by man will have.
We're trying to single out the 2-stroke twins vs the 2-stroke triples, not 2-stroke twin vs 4-stroke triple.
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November 20th 2008 at 8:35 PM
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Quote originally posted by tdgbigfoot
Are triples really problemataic? I heard from one guy that i should stay away from triples, that they often have alot of problems, or blow up eaiser/more ofen. THen i got told that they arn't any more problematic than anything else. What's the story?
Yeah triples are true junk.. they are slow super heavy and just piles of garbage...... LOL
(p.s that is a old junk triple. I've been running it for four years now, i spin it at over 9krpm never had to rebuild it still holds 120-125psi per cyl, and has never left me stranded.. Ohh yeah its slow too....)
Quote originally posted by kingofkings
Tripple are heavier than twins. That is why most mountain and sno-cross sleds are twins and most drag sleds are tripples.
I thought in grad racing like anyracing you wanted to be as light as possable???????
Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE If I don't keep this sled for the whole season, I promise to never sign on to Snowmobile Fanatics again.
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November 20th 2008 at 10:45 PM
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no dude they are jsut fine i have a arctic cat zrt 600 triple and it halls ass been over 130 and still could keep acceleraring if i didnt run out of trail lol but do you put mixed fuel in yourS?
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November 21st 2008 at 12:24 AM
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shortstop20
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130 MPH on a ZRT 600? Wait a second, what's that smell?
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November 21st 2008 at 6:10 AM
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^^ i think i smell it a little bit too...
Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE If I don't keep this sled for the whole season, I promise to never sign on to Snowmobile Fanatics again.
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November 21st 2008 at 6:21 AM
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Luke
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In my experience most triples are a little heavier than most twins, but not always. Like a few already pointed out, the triples were older tech. Newer sleds are lighter, but thats no cause theyre twins, theyre just newer technology.
But as far as far as triples being problematic, not at all. Most were good, few were bad. A few years of the fuji monoblock triple were bad years but thats it. All fuji motors were well known for reliability, twins and triples. Cat made a great triple for years. I dont know a whole lot about the doo triples, but there was an issue in tha late 90's with crank bearings and sub-standard oil from doo, but it was only for like 1 or 2 years. Yammer-jammer, personally, I dont have any experience with em, but everyone says theyre great.
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November 21st 2008 at 11:28 AM
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Quote originally posted by shortstop20
130 MPH on a ZRT 600? Wait a second, what's that smell?
He must have a slow one. I have hit 160 on mine.
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November 21st 2008 at 12:39 PM
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I know stock for stock my xc 700 was 10 times the sled my 96 ultra sp was.
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The stock Ultra was a single piped, choked down turd making 110hp. Polaris did a great dis-service not having triple pipes on that thing from the factory.
Quote originally posted by kingofkings
Tripple are heavier than twins. That is why most mountain and sno-cross sleds are twins and most drag sleds are tripples.
The mountain guys that want big HP will generally go with a triple. 1200cc watercraft based triples straight up shred the gnar on the hills.
Thats my old sled I built. A triple in a newer chassis is going to be very close to weight vs. a comparable twin. The old chassis's were tanks!
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November 21st 2008 at 1:03 PM
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these threads just go on and on and on and on........
There are pros and cons to both and they all depend on someones personal opinion. What one person likes and dislikes could be the complete opposite of someone else. Me personally, I like both triples and twins. I own a triple because I got a great deal on one and if I found a good deal on a twin at the time, I could have went that way too. I'm a trail rider who likes to give it hell once in a while. Mine is a little tough(heavy) on the winding trails but nothing that you can't handle and get used to.
and..... it all depends on how the sled was taken care of. If a triple was taken care and not beat it will not have mechanical issues and vice versa with a twin.
If you want to know which is better, look at your riding style and where you ride. If you find a sled, take it for a test ride and see first hand.
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November 21st 2008 at 4:09 PM
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Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt
Quote originally posted by shortstop20
130 MPH on a ZRT 600? Wait a second, what's that smell?
He must have a slow one. I have hit 160 on mine.
I raced one before too and around 200 he started pulling on me hard!
as for fuji triples not being reliable :handjob: the 580 in the xlt is bulletproof as was the 600 in my XCR
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November 21st 2008 at 8:03 PM
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Quote originally posted by Sno-X-treme
1200cc watercraft based triples straight up shred the gnar on the hills.
What? LOL
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November 21st 2008 at 8:18 PM
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^^^^^^
"straight up shred the gnar...."
I believe that translates to "very good power, climbing, and accelleration characteristics."
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November 21st 2008 at 10:09 PM
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Luke
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Quote originally posted by 04Prox2
Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt
Quote originally posted by shortstop20
130 MPH on a ZRT 600? Wait a second, what's that smell?
He must have a slow one. I have hit 160 on mine.
I raced one before too and around 200 he started pulling on me hard!
as for fuji triples not being reliable :handjob: the 580 in the xlt is bulletproof as was the 600 in my XCR
Is there any connection between him pulling on you hard and your following "handjob" comment........just wondering 
Seriously dude, everyone knows a zrt wont do more than 180 mph!! Theyre not geared for it. They can only turn 124,000 rpms anyway!
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November 22nd 2008 at 12:14 AM
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04Prox2
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Quote originally posted by Luke
Quote originally posted by 04Prox2
Quote originally posted by arcticcatmatt
Quote originally posted by shortstop20
130 MPH on a ZRT 600? Wait a second, what's that smell?
He must have a slow one. I have hit 160 on mine.
I raced one before too and around 200 he started pulling on me hard!
as for fuji triples not being reliable :handjob: the 580 in the xlt is bulletproof as was the 600 in my XCR
Is there any connection between him pulling on you hard and your following "handjob" comment........just wondering
Seriously dude, everyone knows a zrt wont do more than 180 mph!! Theyre not geared for it. They can only turn 124,000 rpms anyway!
I really set myself up there, wow
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November 22nd 2008 at 11:49 AM
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Quote originally posted by Sno-X-treme
The stock Ultra was a single piped, choked down turd making 110hp. Polaris did a great dis-service not having triple pipes on that thing from the factory.
Even in triple-triple Ultra SPX/700 XCR form, it wasnt all that great. It would get spanked by a 700 SRX.
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November 22nd 2008 at 11:54 AM
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well around my area there are a bunch of newer so called light weight twins older super heavy triples ,etc ,we load them on pickup trucks once inawhile to transport them to a shop etc ,when there is no snow on ,guess what ?? the so called heavy weight triple takes 3 people to pick them up ,one on each ski ,one on the back ,the so called light weight new twins ,you would think with all the weight bashing it would only take 2 people to pick them up ,but i know for a fact it still takes 3 and is still just as back breaking
mid Il alway's waiting for snow,moving north(way north)2001 thundercat 99xcr 800 97SPX ULTRA 96 zrt 600&800,92 doo plusX 92 v max 4 750
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November 22nd 2008 at 3:13 PM
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Quote originally posted by 03Pro-X700
Some triples have been known to have problems, but so have plenty of twins as well. it really is all personal preference when you think about it. A triple is CAPABLE of making more horsepower, for the most part, obviously because of the extra cylinder. Also, some triples had triple pipes as well, adding to the weight factor. A triple has an extra cylinder, piston, rod, carb, bigger crank, sometimes an extra few pipes, ect. there really is no point in getting into another dumb triple vs twin argument because they each have their advantages and disadvantages. I prefer twins. Why? because its my preference and it fits my type of riding better (mostly tight twisty Wisconsin trail riding and some craving). The point is, a sled is a sled to me. I wont complain one way or another if i had a triple. Ride whatever best fits you, thats all that matters.
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November 22nd 2008 at 3:34 PM
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No replacement for the displacement
nuff said
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