Im not sure about his registration, but hes under 16 and cant take the snowmobile safety thing til the class comes up around here, i know that much..

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Instead of reading suicide books try reading sled mags or Maxim or something else that interests you. Ive been having a hard few months too with my gf of 8yrs leaving me 2 weeks before our wedding. And on top of that one of my closer friends then decided hed rather try to get with her than be a friend to me. What I done was work on my sled, clean the house, train my dog, read old sled mags and generally just try to stay busy. Whenever a stupid thought enters my head I try to shake it out by doing something, even if its as simple as laundry or shovelling snow. Just gotta keep busy busy busy.

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i actually went through the same thing , i lost both my parents and both sets of grand parents in two years , it was not easy and truth be told i did drugs for awhile wich is not like me at all ,i saw a year of my life gone and a lot of money , with no acompleshments and a lot less friends. now i am married and i have a son a sled and iu am going back to school and try to give my son things i never had . truth be told everything does get better and being a kid isnt as easey as it should be .
Keep you head up and things will get better
and have a good christmas

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hang out with your'e friends ,find new friends!!!

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thanx every body. this is just what i needed. im glad i reached out, cuz every one has been giving me ideas to stay focused. all of you guys are great. im goin to try to keep in a good mood, and if i start feeling depressed again, ill talk to one of you or just all of you. thnx every one!!

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You once again have proved that you are nothing more than a heartless piece of white trash . All we can do is hope that you one day see the light and grow up a little bit.

Tyler,

If you need help there is no shame in going to see a specialist that can give you the help you need. You have a big support group here as well. You're young, you have everything in the world to look forward to. Enjoy the Christmas, New Years, and the rest of your break. Get out and have fun with friends. Right now, things that seem like they a big deal will be something that you will laugh at in the future.

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wow wut an a**

ok thanx, im goin to try my best to change, by thinking about what all you guys have to say. and if that doesnt work, ill turn to a doctor.

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Wigay....I sent you a guitar string for Christmas. I didn't buy it for you to use on a guitar.

Think about it!

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Hey Wiguy,



Thought it was fitting....

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smoke Sum dope and think of a happy place

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PERFECT FIT!

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hey man! i know how you feel. i had some bad depression cuz i lost my baby. it took me awhile but with a set good friends and family you can get thru this. my friend amanda helped me out alot. that i went to do stuff that would occupy me. like working in the shop on sled. or something like that. suicide is diffenetly not the way. just think about the sledding you will miss! i hope you get thru this!!! if you want to talk more hit me up!

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you know ,if this dickhead wiguy dude can post whatever his mushy ass brain spits out, so will i!what does it take for a complete puuts like this duche bag to get banned on here?ive only been on here a short while and have seen this imbread piece of **** say the most stupid **** ever!his mother must not have dressed him as a child and he mistakenly put her underwear on!oh yea kid dont sweat the small stuff or the big for that matter!if you aint looking at 30 yrs in the lock up,youll be fine.

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hey tyler, just so you know, coming on here telling people you dont know about your depression is a very brave thing! i know if i was feeling the same way id be too ashamed and embarrased. do you know what this shows? it shows you might have some balls!! your young and have your who life ahead of you. You being so upfront and not embarrased might lead to something great in your life.

another thing, if you ever want comic relief, look up some posts by wiguy or BRP. classic entertainment

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Depression? Atleast you have a family for christmas. Wait till one day your sitting in the middle of nowhere, not knowing anyone, while your family is going to be opening presents in a few hours and having turkey dinner.. Be thankfull for what you have, because once its gone, your never getting it back..


And bro, on the suicide thing, can't say I havent thought about it before.. The worst thing in life is realising you have nobody.. After the work slowed down out here, I sit here and spent that hard earned moeny I made when I first came out on alcohal, and everynight I'm wishing I was at home, putting out the garbage or whatever else I used to bitch about. I keep coming onto these sites to take my mind off what I've fcked up, and some nights I lay there in bed for 4 hours thinking about what I've ruined, but tomorrow is Xmas, realise what you have, and don't Fck that up...


If you need someone to talk to, PM me bro, or call me anytime, I'm ****in with ya on this one..

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If you ever need to talk, shoot a PM, talk to ACM, or Westman, or any other memeber that is willing to listen. We all have hard times, just a matter of how you look at it. One mans curse could be looked at as a blessing by someone else.

WiGuy.........., Merry Christmas, and we will continue to pray for you.

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Don't start drinking, wont help.

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Thank you, and merry Christmas.


Talking to someone is the best solution to depression IMO. No pills can do what just talking to someone can..

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T man, get your head into your sled..

If you need to feel better about your self do something unexpected for somebody else,, you might start by righting the past,, this is not about trying to make it the same again but moving on.. do more of what you like to do,, you know the days that fly by, have more of them.. pray and ask for forgiveness for even thinking the " S " work..

go to the north shore trail, start in duluth, take the a left onto tomahawk to refuel at the tressel inn and turn around..just south of two harbors is a place where another trail goes north, in this open aria is a hill ride to the top ( time this for sunset ) stop and look around then look up.. what you see is the gift.. it will melt your heart and move your mounitan.. of the billion stars and trillions of possabilities that could have been, you are here now, at this time, in this place, the truth will become obvious, as random as life seems it is allways the best option.. you can make a differance in your life nobody will do it for you..

I put a bike into a tree in 82 going 65 mph,,I should of died,, did not walk for a year.. i consider it a blessing,, at the moment life flashed before my eyes and I had lost all control something happend.. i found myself fighting to live,, that will to survive is in all of Gods creatures and i know you have it also.. life for me is like a hallway full of doors,, you may open the wrong one on occasion but you can close it and move on.. do the right thing and keep your eyes open...

life is good ,, go riding...

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Because you asked and if you are interested - I will give ya a little help - remember - everyone is different - do it your way. Please skip this, trash it - what ever - I could care less what people think for the most part - if it helps you or anyone else - trust me, I can take the punches forever. I am by no means any type of doctor, shrink or whatever (actually been in the CNC machining business forever) I have however, spent much of my insurance benifits on mental health care over the years. Until recently - I never had a really good counceler or shrink-whatever you call them... The last person I went to was the best. totally changed my life. I have not been back to anyone for almost a year now - but I would if I needed to. He loved boats, trips, bikes, his wife & family and most people. His methods were different - he though most shrinks were miserable depressed people who didn't get out enough and were unreasonable about human nature. He basically concentrated on the huge importance of "outside factors" and human body responces so you know what the heck is happening to you and why. He also spent 4 sessions with me on a cool series of 400 or so questions to get you to know what your core values are - not what is right or wrong - but what makes you happy - as a human being - not just trying to please others - unless that makes you happy! - you get the point....
This is just my opion and sacastic humour.. (easy people - trying to help) This is some crap I have learned, take it for what it is. First off - digging up and placing an extreme amout of scrutiny on every little thing in life will rarely make you better - usually worse to a degree. Did you know Freud actually took his paitent's on vacation with him - (some) talk about dependence on your shrink and your clients. In my opion, his methods are seriously unrealistic, made my worse and are being unraveled daily by much more realistic persons. Life sucks and life is great - you cannot have one without the other. Second, thoughts about off-ing yourself are somewhat normal. Most who actually do it don't talk about it, they don't attempt, the don't do the minor cuts. they just get it done. Your not there right now? Look at it this way - think of your funeral and everyone upset and sad and angry and how that would carry throughout thier lives forever - a little hole in thier hearts. How would you feel if your best friend did this - the most cowardly way to go - there is no fight in that way. (be like me and try to die with a good story sledding or dragging people out of a burning plane or something - if your gonna go out, do it with some style!) It's a Little tough love but when you have been on the edge enough times this may bounce you back - whatever it takes!!!. My family has history of Bi-polar, manic, depression and everything inbetween. These are also some of the smartest people you could ever know. 90% of the people who have bi-polar moods/feelings are EXTREMELY inteligent and are thinkers of some sort, and are usually very capable, artistic, caring and such. No BS, give yourself some points for that. But, Your attitude and ego need some sugar... think of it this way, stupid or completely uninformed people usually don't get depressed - because they are not deep thinkers, lifes worries skip above them for the most part. do you think a REALLY dumb blonde has many bad days? Think about that...deeply.. By the way depression is not a disease - its a misused title for extreme mood changes compared with the "normal" person. whoever that is ) but still sucks and is very, very scary when your really down.
OK, so your now we know your most likely "wicked smat" which is actually somewhat of a curse, because you read more than the national trash mags - and you get thinking and learning and such - good or bad - just like with the snowmobile thing, mabey get a little obsessed = your current situation a little bit. Just guessing but who knows... Ok, so now what. So you read a snowmobile mag, other items of intrest - things that require some thought in a good way. (burn the suicide book please - its about cowardly, selfish people who went without a fight - sorrow and sadness beyond belief), hang out with real mostly optimistc, happy people, dogs, whatever....turn off the news (I only get about 10% of what i used to get from tv - world still f'd up just like it was - lot less depression and stress on me and my wife - they never tell us the good stuff anyways. What about the babies born healthy and happy to mothers with nothing but thier families helping and people surviving cancer and most importantly - better gas prices!!!! try it sometime - be aware of what triggers you.) Another thing - try to get your money straighter, get rid of the credit cards for the most part and tidy things up, cut back on the caffine, stay away from bitchy people as much as possible. If you think this doesn't make a difference - watch your self for a day and how things make your moods change. Heres another little trick everyone should try - when the ****e really hits the fan - fake smile - really - big time. you will breathe again - which is critical to human function and decreasing the fight or flight response triggered by many factors including facial expression.. - (when you smile, there are physical changes, nasal passages open, sensory assimilations change in your brain - kind of like habit.) you smile when your happy - it works both ways on your bodily function in certain ways. when your scared and such - you feel like crap - you dont smile. your happy, you smile - you smile you get a little happy. go for it, fake it, yea - you will look like an idiot but who cares. - you can send me a check for $50 for that one JK Anyhow - start looking at things from a practical standpoint. if that doesn;t work - go get some anti-depressant drugs - its better than living in misery - again try everything - think of it as another build project - humans are pretty intricate little items. Ok, so now you know I'm pretty involved in this sort of stuff. Here is the harsh reality. When the cards are down and you hit rock bottom and your at the end of your rope - conversations with others are just like band-aids and on and on it goes- remember this. Think about this deeply and act on it and save yourself years of pain:

No one can fix your life but you. Period.

Not your mother, you best friend, booze, drugs, god - nothing. Thats it, life is not fair. All of these little things help you to help yourself. Someone can help get you a job but if you dont " do the work" you loose your job. If you want out of depression you best get off of your ass and fight the mother f-er back. yes, get the help, the books, the de-cafe, the sledding and so on - start fighting back by doing what you are doing now. reaching out and such - keep going - don't just try to get back to "normal" why can't you be better - you already are in some ways.
Also, always remember - outside factors are 90% of what lead to depression. For instance; waking up to the news, getting spun on coffe, walking past overdue bills, seeing the wedding ring left behind by your last wife...bla, bla, bla - makes you kind of depressed feeling doesn't it Christ - I would go back to bed..... DON'T. Now go find a date, get in touch with the bank about the bills and start a little payment plan, call your friends, go make some, go for a ride. The trick is that you must deal with it all - just be aware of what each think does to you - we are not mystical beings - enviornment - good or bad has cause and effect. When the economy is down - I tell my competitors how horrible it is and then go out and steal thier business - thats life guys! - I may fail somethimes but the important part is if you go out fighting its always a learning experience and you won't have time to worry. I gotta tell ya, 95% of the time, "accepting" and then fighting the depression as a challenge is an eye opening experience - you learn alot about yourself and human nature.
I rarely use it anymore but I keep it with me all the time.. its a card I wrote some things on my brother told me about a year ago. He has tons of medical problems, runs a business, can have seizures at any time, two kids, built his addition, you name it. Determination helps. Anyhow this is what he told me - the idea isn't a direct simple cross reference but something to think through with a grain of salt as they say, moslty busines'ie related - but thats a big part of our lives/problems: It sounds corny if you do not truly suffer from depressive moods but for those who have, this is sometimes helpful - here goes..

I can do most anything I want to do in life.
Never second guess myself or others will.
Learn from my mistakes, take note, make change, move foward.
I am very trustworthy
I can only forgive myself
It could be better
I will, I can, We will - not just try

expand on this - the point is to keep yourself positive without being unrealistic. Life sucks - push through to the good stuff - it makes it much more worth while


Good luck - if you want some great books on what I learned I would start with the book "Feeling Good, The New Mood Therapy" by David Burns, MD. I recomend it, I get bored reading - but leave it in the john or by the bedstand - read some - even if you gain one thing - its further than you were for less than a tank of gas.

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Wiguy05 you should really read some of these posts and realise how much you should consider suicide you worthless piece of white trash. You are the most useless thing on this damn planet and this forum would be a better place if you left I really hope you know.


Anyways,
Depression comes on to everyone HARD. I know people say teenagers dont go through as bad as depression but seriously when you think about it ALL depression is hard and bad. For differnt reasons of course. When your older and when your younger depression is a hard thing. I have went through it lots but I have helped so many people dealing with depression that I realised there is nothing in this world that will make me depressed again. I helped out so many friends and family now I like to volunteer. Its not always fun but it seams to help me out.

To be honest there is a lot of things to cause depression BUT there is millions of things to cure it. Some people I agree need therapy but some just need somebody more then just parents or some friends. Some people just need strangers to talk too and that way they feel more secure on what they are saying.

14 I found difficult age as well. But probably the best thing I could do it just admit that I was not as happy as I could be. So coming on here was probably a good thing. Get it off your chest and stuff.

What else I did to cure depression was listen to some very very loud music. Dunno but it helps. Never resort to drugs and alcohol tried it and it didnt work. 18 years old and I can tell you that sad eh? Well right now I am sort of tired but I am sure I can think of more. Seriously pm me if you wanna chat more or add me to msn if my address is up? Not sure if it is. Everyone is here to help remember that. And even with some pr*cks on here there are far more intelligent and kind people then this dumbass wiguy. Anyways pm me to chat about anything.

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Tyler first thing you did the right thing for asking for help.

You should really seek profressional help, sometimes you can do it on your own, but most times you need someone that has the knowledge on how to help you. go down to the new hospital and ask for there help.

Can you talk to your parents about it?

Call the Yellow Ribbon hotline, I believe it was started in Mankato, to help young people like you. 1 800 865 0606.

I live in Mankato, if you need anything send me a PM

Take care of yourself, stay away from the drugs and booze, it will only make things worse, then you have to things to deal with.

Good Luck

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