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What 2009 model should i get?
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January 26th 2009 at 9:10 PM
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foxracing
Custom RMK
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949 Posts 
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Location: MN, USA
Current Sled: 2006 600 HO RMK
2008-2009 Miles: 680
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Well polaris fixed my sled after I blew the engine and I rode it for about 15 miles before it blew again. I am fed up with them and the sled. I am going to get a new sled with a warranty.
I am thinking mostly a Ski Doo. Something under 10k. Ideas? Is it worth it to upgrade to the 800 instead of the 600 with e tec?
I saw a guy with a new 2009 iq race sled, he said he bought it for $7700 brand new. Would that be reliable enough? Easy to get?
Basically i would like to hear what your opinion is on the new sleds.
2003 Ski Doo MXZ 600 HO- Rumble Pack, Cobra Windshield, RSI Bar set-up
2002 indy 500 stock
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January 26th 2009 at 10:04 PM
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vstreeter17
loves his 500XC, its THE WAY OUT!!!
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13 Posts
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Member Since: January 18th 2009
Location: La Crosse, WI
Current Sled: 2000 Polaris 500 XC
2008-2009 Miles: 402
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what sled do you have now? what modifications have you made to the sled that could make it blow up? too lean maybe?
James W. Vought
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January 26th 2009 at 10:08 PM
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KingPrat
Destroyer of Trailers
KingPrat thinks that Shooter is one of the better movies from the last 5 years.
Updated Yesterday at 9:32 PM
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1032 Posts 
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Member Since: September 13th 2008
Location: Saugerties, NY
Current Sled: 2000 Polaris XC 700 SP
2008-2009 Miles: 200
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Hehe, thinking about a new Ski Doo because you blew the engine up on your Polaris. Have fun with having the same issues....  In all seriousness, as VStreeter asked, what do you have done to your sled? Have you done any modifications? How's your jetting? Did you break your engine in before ripping on it full out? There are many factors for blowing an engine up. What were u doing when yours went this time? The first time? If those are your mods in your sig: Did you jet it up a step for the pipe and airbox combo? Did you change your clip setting? etc. etc. etc
2000 XCSP 700: Edge rear suspension, 1.25 Ripsaw, 144 Accord Racing Warthog ZXP studs, Sportech Decals, Stripped Tunnel, 3" Riser, Gutted Airbox, Boyesen Rave Valves
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January 27th 2009 at 10:40 PM
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foxracing
Custom RMK
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949 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: September 2nd 2006
Location: MN, USA
Current Sled: 2006 600 HO RMK
2008-2009 Miles: 680
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i have the pipe and can, airbox, clutching and other unrelated mods. The dealer went off of the recommended jetting by SLP. The sled is a 2006 600 RMK. It was broken in thousands of miles ago. I was riding normal nothing out of the ordinary when it blew both times. They are thinking a coolant issue because i fried my bearings and pistons.
I have my choices narrowed down to two. 2009 MXZ TNT 600 or 2009 600 Dragon Switchback?!?
I heard the dragons have been having some issues. is that true?
2003 Ski Doo MXZ 600 HO- Rumble Pack, Cobra Windshield, RSI Bar set-up
2002 indy 500 stock
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January 27th 2009 at 10:48 PM
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sledneck1978
HAIL CHASER
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2143 Posts 
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Member Since: August 9th 2007
Location: Andover, MN
2008-2009 Miles: 875
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Quote originally posted by foxracing
i have the pipe and can, airbox, clutching and other unrelated mods. The dealer went off of the recommended jetting by SLP. The sled is a 2006 600 RMK. It was broken in thousands of miles ago. I was riding normal nothing out of the ordinary when it blew both times. They are thinking a coolant issue because i fried my bearings and pistons.
I have my choices narrowed down to two. 2009 MXZ TNT 600 or 2009 600 Dragon Switchback?!?
I heard the dragons have been having some issues. is that true?
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!
My dragons both run strong as hell. I'd recommend spending the extra 7 or 8 hundred bucks and getting the 800. I had the dealer upgrade my track on my 800 (left the 600 at 1.25" but threw 96 picks in it) to an 1.5" ripsaw. I can stand it straight up and down in powder like it's nothing. I have a feeling they will have a recall or two on the motor just since it's a new design. BTW...they give you a two year warranty on the 8 since it is new. Only 1 year on the 6.
Good Luck....
You should have no problem staying around 10 grand on either sled.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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January 27th 2009 at 11:10 PM
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KingPrat
Destroyer of Trailers
KingPrat thinks that Shooter is one of the better movies from the last 5 years.
Updated Yesterday at 9:32 PM
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1032 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: September 13th 2008
Location: Saugerties, NY
Current Sled: 2000 Polaris XC 700 SP
2008-2009 Miles: 200
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I've heard of more issues out of new ski doos than new Polarises..... SkiDoos like to eat pistons. NOM NOM NOM
Your second engine failure was at 15 miles. Not quite broken in yet.... But if you weren't cranking on it, no reason it should have gone.
2000 XCSP 700: Edge rear suspension, 1.25 Ripsaw, 144 Accord Racing Warthog ZXP studs, Sportech Decals, Stripped Tunnel, 3" Riser, Gutted Airbox, Boyesen Rave Valves
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January 28th 2009 at 7:34 AM
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foxracing
Custom RMK
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949 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: September 2nd 2006
Location: MN, USA
Current Sled: 2006 600 HO RMK
2008-2009 Miles: 680
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i mean the second engine failure was 15 miles after i got it back from polaris. so with the new pistons, bearings,etc. i suppose i didn't break it in since then.
2003 Ski Doo MXZ 600 HO- Rumble Pack, Cobra Windshield, RSI Bar set-up
2002 indy 500 stock
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January 28th 2009 at 8:03 AM
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the polaris 600 switch back is a great machine, and the 600 itself runs very strong, the 800 is a turd and is the only one with some issues. the 600's I dont know other than oil pump being a little rich havent had any troubles. save yourself 800 dollars for gas money and ride the 600.
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January 28th 2009 at 8:14 AM
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zxkid
not really a kid anymore :(
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493 Posts 
Group: Members
Member Since: February 29th 2008
Location: N.Adams, MA, USA
Current Sled: 2004 F7 SnoPro EFI
2008-2009 Miles: 1312
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basically pick a color you like. Every make and model sleds are going to have issues, and problems. If you really step back and think about the punishment these machines take it's pretty amazing how well they hold up. I personally love the look of the new IQ over the mxz's. but the Etec get's some great mpg's
"To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid"
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January 28th 2009 at 8:19 AM
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Jerkyking
The voice of Common Sense...
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714 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: December 15th 2007
Location: Saint Ignace, Michigan, USA
Current Sled: 1998 Indy Trail
2008-2009 Miles: 331
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I've been spending time on Doo Talk and Yamaha Forums trying to get feel for what people are saying and what some of the complaints are. The Etec'slooks pretty promising without alot of bitching.
1997 Indy Trail Touring
1998 Indy Trail
2007 Honda Rancher ES 4x4
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January 28th 2009 at 11:07 AM
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sledneck1978
HAIL CHASER
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2143 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: August 9th 2007
Location: Andover, MN
2008-2009 Miles: 875
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Quote originally posted by madcow the polaris 600 switch back is a great machine, and the 600 itself runs very strong, the 800 is a turd and is the only one with some issues. the 600's I dont know other than oil pump being a little rich havent had any troubles. save yourself 800 dollars for gas money and ride the 600. O.K...Let's put the HP rating thing aside and pretend Polaris didn't screw up on the "actual" HP and it was rated at 147. At 147 the thing still rips. It's not a "turd". I've rode both. Have you ridden either madcow or are you just going off of what you read online? That would be the same as believing everything you read in the newspaper. If you had ridden both I'd bet you'd be telling him to go for the 800. No matter how you look at it, that sled is a powerhouse. The numbers may not be as high as other motors but I know I wouldn't trade mine for any other sled out there. Once you've rode both one after another you will know how substantial the difference really is.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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January 28th 2009 at 11:17 AM
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XCR HYPER TRIPLE
HP WHORE
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1392 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 6th 2004
Location: winnipeg, Canada
Current Sled: 03 XCR 800 + 98 1000 TCAT
2008-2009 Miles: 1247
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From what I have heard and now seen I would seriously stay away from the 800 dragon. Check out my post in the link below. The only bad thing about the 800 IQ is the 800 engine.
Cheers
http://www.snowmobilefanatics.com/forum/...px#1000529
POWDER BOUND
Quote: From American Snowmobiler
Polaris will return with the 800 XCR. The big triple triple mill is still the strongest 800 production engine we've ever put on the dyno. 159.2 HP
2003 XCR 800 TRIPLE TRIPLE, Clutched, Geared, 1.25" Rip Saw track, Holtzman ATAAC and VForce 3 Reeds
2002 XC 600
1998 THUNDER CAT 1000 Triple Triple Crazy HP, Case Ported, Cylinder work, Shaved head, bored carbs, clutched, D & D deflection adjuster, Holtzman vari flow, V-force 3 reeds, Can and studs
1997 ULTRA 680 TRIPLE, 2006 PRO X 120, 1981 EXCITER 440
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January 28th 2009 at 11:38 AM
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http://www.snowmobilefanatics.com/forum/...px#1000529Get the 800. With the fuel map finally right, you can't go wrong. No bog, no burn downs from the lean mid range, that was causing these motors to fail. Buy the 800. You will not regret it.
08 800 Dragon 155
-Fox floats up front
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January 28th 2009 at 11:56 AM
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Zippi
Average Member
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537 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 7th 2005
Location: Groton, NY, USA
2008-2009 Miles: 1300
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i love the dragon, but now that we have the etec working really really well i would prefer that over any other 600 any day.
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January 28th 2009 at 2:54 PM
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fleshwound
Shake n Bake
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243 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: September 24th 2005
Location: toronto, ontario, Canada
Current Sled: 05 Fusion 900
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Quote originally posted by Zippi
i love the dragon, but now that we have the etec working really really well i would prefer that over any other 600 any day.
The etecs arnt working that good infact there not doing good at all. Ive heard of alot of piston failures
2005 fusion 900
2000 xcr 800
07 ktm sxf 250
Quote originally posted by BRP-4-LIFE
If I don't keep this sled for the whole season, I promise to never sign on to Snowmobile Fanatics again.
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January 28th 2009 at 9:59 PM
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foxracing
Custom RMK
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949 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: September 2nd 2006
Location: MN, USA
Current Sled: 2006 600 HO RMK
2008-2009 Miles: 680
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well i am pretty set on the dragon sp 600 with the 121. They are struggling at my dealership so the prices are great. The 800 doesn't fall within my price range. The TNT is still in the back of my head but i doubt i will get it.
How big is the difference between fuel injected and carbs? anyone have a rumble pack on theirs?
Basically if you have one i would just like to know about how it runs, pulls, handles, features you like, etc.
Thanks for all of the help deciding guys!
2003 Ski Doo MXZ 600 HO- Rumble Pack, Cobra Windshield, RSI Bar set-up
2002 indy 500 stock
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January 28th 2009 at 10:23 PM
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sledneck1978
HAIL CHASER
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2143 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: August 9th 2007
Location: Andover, MN
2008-2009 Miles: 875
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Quote originally posted by foxracing well i am pretty set on the dragon sp 600 with the 121. They are struggling at my dealership so the prices are great. The 800 doesn't fall within my price range. The TNT is still in the back of my head but i doubt i will get it. How big is the difference between fuel injected and carbs? anyone have a rumble pack on theirs? Basically if you have one i would just like to know about how it runs, pulls, handles, features you like, etc. Thanks for all of the help deciding guys! Well congratulations when you pick it up! I just put a can on my 800 on tonight. I'm going riding tomorrow so I'll try to get some sound on here but it's just not the same as hearing it in person. Mine is made by Straight Line Performance (not starting line performance SLP). I started it when I put my sled in my truck and it had a nice low tone.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" (Wayne Gretzky)
"Not everyone gets off to a great start, but you have to start to be great" (Zig Zigler)
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January 28th 2009 at 10:28 PM
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James007
Disturbing the peace since 1991.
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2091 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: January 12th 2007
Location: kirkland lake, ontario, Canada
Current Sled: 2009 MXZ X 600Etec
2008-2009 Miles: 1100
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Quote originally posted by fleshwound
Quote originally posted by Zippi
i love the dragon, but now that we have the etec working really really well i would prefer that over any other 600 any day.
The etecs arnt working that good infact there not doing good at all. Ive heard of alot of piston failures
Rumors, sweet. I have an etec and it runs strong, love it and i dont regret buying it. The x packages are great, i mostly like how the etec is on gas, massive noticable difference.
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January 29th 2009 at 10:41 AM
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Zippi
Average Member
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537 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: November 7th 2005
Location: Groton, NY, USA
2008-2009 Miles: 1300
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Quote originally posted by fleshwound
Quote originally posted by Zippi
i love the dragon, but now that we have the etec working really really well i would prefer that over any other 600 any day.
The etecs arnt working that good infact there not doing good at all. Ive heard of alot of piston failures
yea i wasnt really happy with it when i first got it, but we've done A LOT of work to it and its set up soo good right now i would rather ride that than any other 600. just hit over 2000 miles and no issues other than handwarmers.
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January 29th 2009 at 12:15 PM
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Jerkyking
The voice of Common Sense...
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714 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: December 15th 2007
Location: Saint Ignace, Michigan, USA
Current Sled: 1998 Indy Trail
2008-2009 Miles: 331
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Quote originally posted by fleshwound
Quote originally posted by Zippi
i love the dragon, but now that we have the etec working really really well i would prefer that over any other 600 any day.
The etecs arnt working that good infact there not doing good at all. Ive heard of alot of piston failures
I have not read/heard of any owner complaints of engine failures. There have been a few owners that have gotten typlical 2 cycle MPG and Oil use (11 MPG and 400 miles to a gallon of oil). Ski Doo is investigating those.
1997 Indy Trail Touring
1998 Indy Trail
2007 Honda Rancher ES 4x4
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January 29th 2009 at 5:31 PM
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FDR_7
09SHIFT
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131 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: September 19th 2006
Location: Two Harbors, MN, USA
Current Sled: 09 polaris IQ shift
2008-2009 Miles: 1500
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What kind of riding do you like to do foxracing??
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January 29th 2009 at 6:00 PM
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PolarisXLTmod
98 XC 700,97 ultra
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953 Posts
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Member Since: August 9th 2007
Location: Southey, Saskatchwan, Canada
Current Sled: 98 XC 700,97 ultra
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heard the E-tecs are having issues with hoses popping off and extreem loss of coolant, guy in town just bought tripplet E-tecs, coolant loss on all three. And you get mountains of ice on the running boards to. On the positive side he said they pull relativly hard and the fuel milage is amazing
1989 suzuki 250R-FMF pipe,DT racing air filter
98 XC 700-piped,clutched,geared,extended,tons of accessories,fox floats,fox in rear,SLP skis,PSA heads,riser setup,probly more to cant remember.
97 Ultra 700-tripple pipes,High comp heads,clutched,geared.
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January 29th 2009 at 9:20 PM
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foxracing
Custom RMK
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949 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: September 2nd 2006
Location: MN, USA
Current Sled: 2006 600 HO RMK
2008-2009 Miles: 680
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Quote originally posted by FDR_7
What kind of riding do you like to do foxracing??
I like to hit the ditches and find fields. I trail ride enough to get rid of the RMK. Although i find that really boring. All that I enjoy is screwing around like jumping, carving, hitting drifts, waterskipping, sidehilling. The shocks are a big factor for me, i want something that can take some impact.
I just went for a test ride today on the Dragon. The throttle response was unbelieveable compared to carbs!!! I was very surprised and impressed. Ski Doo won't let me test ride theirs so that is basically a deal breaker.
2003 Ski Doo MXZ 600 HO- Rumble Pack, Cobra Windshield, RSI Bar set-up
2002 indy 500 stock
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January 30th 2009 at 1:20 AM
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BigJohnson
Junior Member
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