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I'm kinda trippin' on alot of the guys on the board saying 4" carbides are enough for sleds . I don't believe they're enough even without picks. This is why, I personally would rather have a loose sled than a tight one because all you ever have to do is let off when you get too loose but when your front end washes out your in the trees right now. Also, when you meet someone in an icey corner you can never have too much bite. I always run 9 or 10 inch Roetins. I've even discovered that when I went down from 144 to 96 picks I didn't lose a thing, And I gained top end and lost the wear and tear of outer belt picks pulling out.Now I know everyone has thier own way of doing things ,but what could be better than gunning to the corner and knowing the front end won't let you down, and that you can keep on your own side of the trail.

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Personally we run around 9s or 10s. I ride upstate new york and it gets icy up there. Studs and sharp carbide are an utter MUST! Ppl say oh well this is enough or that is or I will be fine without studs. I had a friend who had sharp carbides and no studs. He came around a corner his end washed out and just bucked him off. He landed on a rock and busted a couple ribs and punctured a lung. We personally prefer to lean on the side of safety when it comes to machines capable of doing 100MPH on ice.
 

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Last year a friend and I were riding local trails that were very icy. I'm running 192 studs and 10" Woodies my friend was running no studs and 6"carbides. I made a shrp right hander without any problems, my friend made the sharp right hander the skiis bit the track didn't, the sled went sideways caught an edge of ice threw him off and the sled went tumbling.
If he was running shorter carbides the skiis would not have bitten as mutch. We just put 96 studs on his sled last month. For the most balanced control you should match the carbides to the studs.
When I bought the 10" Woodies there was a warning on the package, you track must be studded when running these carbides.


















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i have no studs, and 6" woody's...

I thin you should: You learn how your sled handles, and drive appropriately.

One SHOULD practice skidding and evasive manuvering... So that when your reflex's require it to be done automatically, that it becomes seccond nature to "steer into the skid", "keep your weight on the inside", rather than having to conciously think about them. It works in any vehicle. Sled, car, bike, 4x4, all of the above.

My dad taught me this, and it has proved useful in many situations. I tend to find empty unplowed parking lots to practice my evasive manuvering. (and doughnuts, fishtails, j-turns, etc.) It's fun, and done safely helps ENOURMOUSLY to prepare yourself to do the right thing unconciously, without having to think about it.

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I run 6" carbides on my sled with out studs on a 1" track. I know I would problably like the extra traction from studs, but to me they are just high maintenance and just wreck your track.
I wouldn't ever go with out my 6" carbides and I may even go longer. To me saftey is not pushing the limit on a machine. Just because it will go a 100mph doesn't mean that you have to, much less around other peaple.

 

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hey sled_dog, you have a valuable point. i was riding last season on a sled with no picks and 4" carbide, hit a patch of ice while turning, and well sent me spinning, tried to muscle it out, but no luck. hit a patch of dry pavement and off i went. rolled the sled twice, as for myself... i had a sore hip for about 2 weeks. picks and carbides go hand in hand, and ive always been told with 96 picks in back, 6" up front is a good place to start.
 

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Picks and sticks DO go together, and every sled and rider is different.

Personally I do not run studs. Just a preference. A 1" lug and 6" carbides is the usual combo, but on the heavier sleds I do like the studs.

When in race mode I'll always stud out, but only an inner run of 96, which is what we are limited to for the tracks around here.

I received a letter last year about the WI DNR banning studs on state trails due to damage to the trails and road crossings.

Has anyone else received similar things from other states??

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DNO got my attention with the talk about 96 stud limits and bans on studs in WI. I live and ride in WI and have not heard of this.
I agree that good carbides are a must, but the amount of carbide depends on the feel you want and sled you have. I run 6" Woody's and 144 studs (shh, DNO) and like this feel because I don't want too much inside ski lift.


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Who needs either when you have no snow.


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thats a good point INTENDED, i didnt look at it that way, if i dont get some snow soon, im just gonna put her away. and go drink lots of beer
 

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Getting back on topic, I run 4 inch carbides without studs cause it isn't my sled. My dad doesn't want studs in his sled but as soon as i get my own i will put in 96 studs and at least 6 inches of carbides up front.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Originally posted by six4aTD:

DNO got my attention with the talk about 96 stud limits and bans on studs in WI. I live and ride in WI and have not heard of this.
I agree that good carbides are a must, but the amount of carbide depends on the feel you want and sled you have. I run 6" Woody's and 144 studs (shh, DNO) and like this feel because I don't want too much inside ski lift.


TOO MUCH IS JUST RIGHT![/quote]

The 96 pick limit is only for the local tracks, on the trails, "too much doesn't happen" LOL.

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I'm running a 133.5" x 15" x 1.5" track. Is there any point in studding my track, I rarely ever ride on hard pack - mostly offtrail powder riding. I am running 10" carbides for the occasional trail I hit but have never studded.

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I am currently running the stock 4 inches that came on my sled, I still can't believe that I have any carbide left after 1100 miles. I was planning on studding it with 120 1" studs and then running a 6" runners on the front, but the lack of snow has me saving my $. Hopefully next year I will be able to get that done. That is if I don't spend to much on the truck I plan on buying within the next couple of weeks.
 

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1100 miles is all? ;) i'm at 3000 and it's finally time for new carbides.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Originally posted by xltman:

hey sled_dog, you have a valuable point. i was riding last season on a sled with no picks and 4" carbide, hit a patch of ice while turning, and well sent me spinning, tried to muscle it out, but no luck. hit a patch of dry pavement and off i went. rolled the sled twice, as for myself... i had a sore hip for about 2 weeks. picks and carbides go hand in hand, and ive always been told with 96 picks in back, 6" up front is a good place to start.

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Yeah I was riding my sled adnw as on extremely slick surface a few weeks back and was heading for a bunch of poles tried to turn but coudnt so tried to break and that wasnt workin either so I tried my best to get it out of way which worked but sent me into a spin and once I got it under control I hit a small patch of snow at 5mph sideways then flipped it one and a half times it landd on me took me forever to get it off my leg (on top of that glad it kicked off cause it was the track that landed on my leg) and then had to pay $200 for windshield headlight cover and handlebars. I think i mighta been goin a bit faster when I hit it but thought I was just gonna stop and was ready to get off then I hit it. So also dont expect something to ahppen until it happens or else it will bite ya in the ass

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I run a Mountain sled with 2" lugs so picks aren't necessary out here but I run with 8" carbide.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Originally posted by xc racer:

1100 miles is all? ;) i'm at 3000 and it's finally time for new carbides.

When in doubt- Throttle out!

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Were we ride most of the time the trails are only covered with margonal snow and there is alot of roads that we have to cross. Also alot of the county trails are also used by the loggers in the winter. My dad only runs wear bars on his 90 indy trail and he has to replace them at least twice in a season.
 

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jbjbjb4- most of those miles were from last year when we had much better than normal conditions. usually i'd have to replace about twice as much.

When in doubt- Throttle out!

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