VES & synthetic oil

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waynejohn

Discussion Starter · Nov 7, 2001

I haven't picked up my sled yet but I was wondering what kind of synthetic oil you guys would run with VES. My friend Zigmont has a 01 zr 600 & it has only 650 miles on it, & he said the valves were pretty dirty. He cleaned them up and replaced his old oil with Redline oil. He says that you can get an increase of 3hp. Does anyone know anything about this.

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TriumphoverU

· #2 · Nov 7, 2001

Just a thought on this topic, might be wrong might be right i dont know but i have to throw it out here...

If all the manufacturer had to do to gain HP was use a different oil, dont ya think they would have made their own oil that way so they could get more power without engine mods?

Just my .02 cents take it for what its worth

Polaris is my way out - Other people just use a door.

zigmontm

· #3 · Nov 7, 2001

Redline oil is totally synthetic and expensive, 10 dollars more than the arctic cat stuff. All the race guys swear by the stuff.

Bring on the white stuff!

waynejohn

Discussion Starter · #4 · Nov 8, 2001

hey Triumphoveru, why do you suppose the manufacture's use their own oil. If you can figure it out then why did you give that answer. Its quite clear that they want them to use their oil, you tell me.

xltman

· #5 · Nov 9, 2001

hey waynejohn, the mfgers want you to use their oil for warranty purposes, remember you manual clearly states that you must used it or it voids your warranty, other than the fact it is kinda expensive, i have seen that synjex by phillips 66 meets all warranty requirments, but im not paying $10 per quart. besides if using synthetic or redline as you stated boosts your hp, then why have i not read about it??? i think someone is pulling your chain,
oh and heres another thought, i know some one that races 4 cycle gokarts, and if you put 2oz. of mavel mystery oil or more into the crankcase, it runs like hell. im sure there is anouther explanation that the rest of us doesnt know about the "so-called" hp gains they are claiming.

now, i dont know all the answers, and neither does anyone else, thats the point of this forum, to give your own opinion, so triumph was merely expressing his thoughts, as were you, i kinda took it as though there was some hostility in your reply, if not, then no big deal, but i think it needs to be told though, remember, that isnt allowed. im not trying to be an [email protected]@ here, but i took that reply wriong, so please correct us if we are mistaken

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Polaris-Man

· #6 · Nov 9, 2001

Changing oil doesn't add HP, that makes no sense at all.

Polaris oil is designed for a Polaris engine.
Arctic Cat oil is designed for an Arctic Cat engine... so on and so forth.

They naturally want you to use their own oil because of the reasons above, and they will make more money off you if you buy their oil. Sure any 2 stroke oil would work, and I personally don't run Polaris oil. But changing oil doesn't add horsepower, someone is full of it, if that's what they think.

"Might Be Crazy But I Ain't Dumb" - Cooter

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AKScrambler

· #7 · Nov 9, 2001

I'm guessing that the part where he cleaned the valves gave him the boost in power. Wouldn't you lose power if your valves were so dirty that they weren't seating good? Although an '01 shouldn't have been that dirty with only 650 miles on it.

AKScrambler

vmaxyam

· #8 · Nov 9, 2001

here is the oil I ave used for some time now and would swear by it but to each is own http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/2_cycle.htm by th e way its amsoil

Vmaxyam

MegaMan

· #9 · Nov 9, 2001

Yeah, i use the Amsoil in my sled and in my car. I have had good results.

Polaris-Man

· #10 · Nov 9, 2001

a non=synthetic oil will cause exhaust valves to stick, so they will not open when they are supposed to, resulting in a loss of power. So yes, cleaning them should create a noticable difference in power.

"Might Be Crazy But I Ain't Dumb" - Cooter

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Skrplyr23

· #11 · Nov 9, 2001

oil is oil as for horsepower, i agree with polaris-man synthetic oil is much thinner and runs through the oil pump faster at any setting than reg oil would thats y manufacturers tell you to lean out the pump setting a little when going to synthetic oil. Synthetic has its benefits but too much fartin around with nothing to show for it. Also causes more smoke

RtkatZL8

· #12 · Nov 10, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Originally posted by waynejohn:

I haven't picked up my sled yet but I was wondering what kind of synthetic oil you guys would run with VES. My friend Zigmont has a 01 zr 600 & it has only 650 miles on it, & he said the valves were pretty dirty. He cleaned them up and replaced his old oil with Redline oil. He says that you can get an increase of 3hp. Does anyone know anything about this.

LET IT SNOW!!!!

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I picked up my ZL 800 after Christmass Last year and have 1100 miles on it. I have not had a problem with the valves,
I ran the recommended APV Cat oil. Cat did noticed a problem with excessive deposits. This year Cat has a synthetic that is the recommended oil, thats what I'll run this year. ($9.00 a gallon more!)
I found out that the owner owner and the head Tech at the Cat shop
where I bought the sled went to AMSOIL last year on their Mod 800s. No increase in HP just cleaner burning.

RtkatZL8

Edited by - rtkatzl8 on 10 Nov 2001 14:48:02

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xltman

· #13 · Nov 10, 2001

ive heard that about the synthetics, that they do produce more build-up, thats probably due to the fact that conventional oil has a detergent additive to combat carbon, or the like buildups, thus synthetic, doesnt have any of not enough to aid in the clean engine fight, ive never used synthetic, so im not bashing it, its good to see that people are useing it with some good results, but watch the buildup, could lead to expensive repairs, ive only ever used POLARIS or INJEX OIL in my machines, good results, not quite as espensive. but hey, if you like them..noone is telling u that you cant.

POLARIS-THE ONLY WAY OUT!!!

RtkatZL8

· #14 · Nov 10, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Originally posted by xltman:

ive heard that about the synthetics, that they do produce more build-up, thats probably due to the fact that conventional oil has a detergent additive to combat carbon, or the like buildups, thus synthetic, doesnt have any of not enough to aid in the clean engine fight, ive never used synthetic, so im not bashing it, its good to see that people are useing it with some good results, but watch the buildup, could lead to expensive repairs, ive only ever used POLARIS or INJEX OIL in my machines, good results, not quite as espensive. but hey, if you like them..noone is telling u that you cant.

POLARIS-THE ONLY WAY OUT!!!

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Actually xltman, synthetics are supposed to run cleaner and produce less smoke. I believe the Polaris oil in the gold jug is a synthetic oil.....

RtkatZL8

Polaris-Man

· #15 · Nov 11, 2001

RtKat is right, synthetic oil burns cleaner, doesn't smoke as much and costs twice the amount of normal oil.

The Polaris oil in the Gold and Silver jugs are synthetic. Silver jug is the VES stuff, which is super expensive.

I run a non-synthetic oil in my sled (1998 XCR 440 SP) and I clean the valves every 700 miles whether it needs it or not. Keep my HP up!

Even if u do run fully synthetic VES oil you will still need to clean your valves every now and then.

"Might Be Crazy But I Ain't Dumb" - Cooter

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ACG

· #16 · Nov 11, 2001

what do u all mean by cleaning your valves?

Think Snow...hell...might as well think lots of snow!

RtkatZL8

· #17 · Nov 11, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Originally posted by arctic-cat-guy:

what do u all mean by cleaning your valves?

Arctic-Cat-Guy, We are talking about variable exhaust valves(in cats they call them APV Arctic power valves) they vary the exhaust port opening size at different throttle positions and RPMs to allow more complete fuel burning. On Cats it's essentially a plate controlled by a servo motor that moves in and out either increasing or decreasing exhaust opening.
By cleaning this plate it is able to more efficiently move and seal in it's guides.

By the way your Powder Special does'nt have APVs, so you won't have to worry about cleaning them.

Think Snow...hell...might as well think lots of snow![/quote]

RtkatZL8

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waynejohn

Discussion Starter · #18 · Nov 11, 2001

Thanxs guys,

For your input. I just have never owned a sled with VES & was wondering what your thoughts were.

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Mr. Magoo

· #19 · Nov 11, 2001

used oven cleaner on my valves, worked great!!!

Here kitty kitty kitty

waynejohn

Discussion Starter · #20 · Nov 15, 2001

I guess I' ll stick with the Polaris oil in the gold jug. Thanks guys.

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