[polaris_800rmk]

IMO if you cant control a sled without studs you shouldnt be on a sled in the first place. I'v rode all my life and have never hit another rider, other then when I was about what, 9? and on a 72' colt with no breaks.

I agree. Studs are a waste. If you can't control a sled without them you won't be able to with them. If you hit someone, you were probably going to fast or riding to close.

Even if the sled in front of you has studs, and can easily stop, on say a icy trail or a slick road, and you have none? I dont know how many times ive slid through icy turns, even at low speeds. No traction. You cant really compare a sled with studs, to a sled without studs. One will hook, the other will spin or slide.

I have ridden snowmobiles for at 15 years in WI and I have had 1 snowmobile that had studs. I hated them. The reason you would slide through a corner is no carbide or a poor set-up that leaves you with no ski pressure. Studs would give you more push and make you go through a corner easier. As far as spinning I have seen my fair share of racer wannabe's that think they need to pin the throttle every time they take off. LOL I personally don't like studs but it is a personal decision really. I can't see justifying them for performance gains and traction control, unless you are at the lake racing. Controlling a snowmobile starts with the driver, not traction products.

 

[obsessed]

Love em, won't ride without them, I like the traction on the lakes and for safety on the trails, its nice to know you can make evasive maneuvers when needed, I'm no Trail Morgan but there are plenty out there.

 

[xcr440]

IMO if you cant control a sled without studs you shouldnt be on a sled in the first place. I'v rode all my life and have never hit another rider, other then when I was about what, 9? and on a 72' colt with no breaks.

I agree. Studs are a waste. If you can't control a sled without them you won't be able to with them. If you hit someone, you were probably going to fast or riding to close.

can stop if needed in a shorter distance than without.

IMO if you cant control a sled without studs you shouldnt be on a sled in the first place. I'v rode all my life and have never hit another rider, other then when I was about what, 9? and on a 72' colt with no breaks.

I agree. Studs are a waste. If you can't control a sled without them you won't be able to with them. If you hit someone, you were probably going to fast or riding to close.

Even if the sled in front of you has studs, and can easily stop, on say a icy trail or a slick road, and you have none? I dont know how many times ive slid through icy turns, even at low speeds. No traction. You cant really compare a sled with studs, to a sled without studs. One will hook, the other will spin or slide.

I have ridden snowmobiles for at 15 years in WI and I have had 1 snowmobile that had studs. I hated them. The reason you would slide through a corner is no carbide or a poor set-up that leaves you with no ski pressure. Studs would give you more push and make you go through a corner easier. As far as spinning I have seen my fair share of racer wannabe's that think they need to pin the throttle every time they take off. LOL I personally don't like studs but it is a personal decision really. I can't see justifying them for performance gains and traction control, unless you are at the lake racing. Controlling a snowmobile starts with the driver, not traction products.

I have seen unstudded guys spin way more than the studded guys. Studded guy care about spinning their tracks, where the unstudded guys don't.

No need for studs if you are running a 2"+ lug.

 

[whitexc]

"TRAIL MORGAN" .... That was great!

 

[sledneck1978]

IMO if you cant control a sled without studs you shouldnt be on a sled in the first place. I'v rode all my life and have never hit another rider, other then when I was about what, 9? and on a 72' colt with no breaks.

I agree. Studs are a waste. If you can't control a sled without them you won't be able to with them. If you hit someone, you were probably going to fast or riding to close.

Even if the sled in front of you has studs, and can easily stop, on say a icy trail or a slick road, and you have none? I dont know how many times ive slid through icy turns, even at low speeds. No traction. You cant really compare a sled with studs, to a sled without studs. One will hook, the other will spin or slide.

I have ridden snowmobiles for at 15 years in WI and I have had 1 snowmobile that had studs. I hated them. The reason you would slide through a corner is no carbide or a poor set-up that leaves you with no ski pressure. Studs would give you more push and make you go through a corner easier. As far as spinning I have seen my fair share of racer wannabe's that think they need to pin the throttle every time they take off. LOL I personally don't like studs but it is a personal decision really. [highlight=yellow]I can't see justifying them for performance gains and traction control, unless you are at the lake racing. Controlling a snowmobile starts with the driver, not traction products. [/highlight=yellow]

If you've seriously been riding for 15 years I wouldn't expect a stupid response like that. I'm not trying to be a dick but to say that studs don't add to the performance and traction control is retarded. Yes, controlling a sled starts with the driver (duh) but studs add to controlling it. If you don't need traction products please send me your carbides. No they aren't traction but they are directly related. If you are unstudded you may as well use standard wear rods.

 

[OhioPolarisKid]

I want to know how you are supposed to keep your track from spinning, sliding, or locking up on ice without studs, especially when stopping. I dont see how you can, other then going really slow, and just taping the throttle. Your track will either spin, or lock up. You get on a sled with studs, your track will hook, and you will be able to stop. If there is plenty of snow, you dont really need studs. If you are riding on slick roads, or in corners on the trail that turn to ice, then what are you to do? My sled doesnt handle the best, but the front gets some bite going into turns. It pushes still, but once the skis get some bite, i lose the rear. I get on dads sled, and i can make turns a lot easier and safer because the studs hook in the ice. You guys probably think that since im 14, and ride like a maniac, which i dont 95% of the time. But i just dont see how you are supposed to stop, or make safe turns on ice without studs. When i buy a sled, and i start riding on trails again im getting studs. Studs make a huge difference on ice, not so much on snow. And i have yet to see many turns on popular trails that arent solid ice at the bottom. Also, ive never ridden on a lake by myself, just when i rode behind mom. Just icy roads and trails.

 

[polaris_800rmk]

If you've seriously been riding for 15 years I wouldn't expect a stupid response like that. I'm not trying to be a dick but to say that studs don't add to the performance and traction control is retarded. Yes, controlling a sled starts with the driver (duh) but studs add to controlling it. If you don't need traction products please send me your carbides. No they aren't traction but they are directly related. If you are unstudded you may as well use standard wear rods.


[/quote]

I worded my response you highlighted incorrectly. Yes, studs may help with traction. I guess I am trying to say studs can give people a false sense of safety. It is like people with a 4 wheel drive vehicle, they think they can drive faster than they actually can. As far as more spin, have you seen some of the gas stations that have the concrete tore up from the studs. At any rate, not trying to argue, just giving my opinion of studs, at trying to justify my feelings that they are not worth it.

 

[sledneck1978]

If you've seriously been riding for 15 years I wouldn't expect a stupid response like that. I'm not trying to be a dick but to say that studs don't add to the performance and traction control is retarded. Yes, controlling a sled starts with the driver (duh) but studs add to controlling it. If you don't need traction products please send me your carbides. No they aren't traction but they are directly related. If you are unstudded you may as well use standard wear rods.

I worded my response you highlighted incorrectly. Yes, studs may help with traction. I guess I am trying to say studs can give people a false sense of safety. It is like people with a 4 wheel drive vehicle, they think they can drive faster than they actually can. As far as more spin, have you seen some of the gas stations that have the concrete tore up from the studs. At any rate, not trying to argue, just giving my opinion of studs, at trying to justify my feelings that they are not worth it.


[/quote]If some jack ass wants to tear up a gas station and 300 bucks worth of studs that is his/her own damn stupidity at work.

 

[FireCat59]

With your sled hell yes. My Dad has an 06 fst switchback (144) and that spun so much at times and didn't hook up very good. We put 114 studs in and it just plain rips now. Totally different machine.

 

[Boss302man]

you guys are sooo funny. Blaming near misses on studs and bickering.
LOL, ride the sled to your and it's handling abilities. Just like in winter here when all the down staters run in to stuff and blame it on roads. Yeah studs help but you just ride for the equipment/conditions you are in.
Studs can increase perfomance all around in ice. The do almost nothing in snow.
They are hard on tracks, make noise and damage hard surfaces however road crossings on trails here have harder concreate special for it and todays tracks are up to the challange of holding studs.
Set your own weights to the pros and cons and make a decision.

Ride

 

[thewayout440]

^^^what kind of retard are you?

 

[Boss302man]

^^^what kind of retard are you?

Not sure and dont care. Judge me as you will

 

[yamarx1]

Ask yourself two questions " Do you want to STOP 2 feet from a tree or 2 feet into the tree"? Do all season tires work as good as snow tires ?

 

[craigalen13815]

Just stud it. I rode with studs and without. Yes they do cause the nose to push a little through the corners, but thats not that big a deal. My father had an accident a few years back on a tiny little hill. He wasn't screwing around, or being stupid. He has riding since before I was born and I am 31 years old. It was just one of those freak things. If he had been studed it wouldn't have happened.

Yes most of the time you probbaly won't need studs, but trust me, its better to have them and not need them, than to need them and not have them. For your FST I would suggest 144 nails in the track. You don't have to go over board with it, just some carbide tipped picks to help you maintain controll and climb ice hills and cross roads.

 

[pigboy]

I agree. Studs are a crutch for those who haven't learned how to ride yet.

 

[bigwedgies]

i would check with other locals in YOUR area. studs are about a must where im from as we get so lil snow that trails get beat quick and turn to a hard pack surface, theres many hills its hard for unstaudded sleds to make it up, but im sure in many other areas studs are less needed if at all. also way the pros and cons, youre either gonna need dollies or beat up your driveway and garage floor, and possibly trailer. studding can be an art, many who have had bad experiences are either understudded or over. too many and youll basically sit on the studs and they wont bite, too few studs and they can bite too much and tear tracks. make sure you have the correct style and amout for your riding style. have to take in account horspower and rider weight.
good luck

 

[xcr440]

I agree. Studs are a crutch for those who haven't learned how to ride yet.

I got a small hill for you to climb without studs.

 

[sledneck1978]

I agree. Studs are a crutch for those who haven't learned how to ride yet.

Since I don't know how to ride, will you show me please. That would be swell. I wish I didn't need this damn crutch some of us lesser snowmobilers call studs.

 

[xcr440]

^^^^That's the best one yet...LMAO

 

[BURF]

Is there any regular maintenence things you need to do with studs? I've heard that you have to retighten them all after a certain amount of miles. I to am considering studding my 07' FST Thanks