If you are looking for Maximum Compression ratio and Power, on pump Gas, then this thread is for YOU!
I'm not trying to sell anything...
Overview
Everyone pretty much knows the current state of what compression ratios can be run, within certain detonation thresholds, on given fuel at a given altitude. While certain applications and parts and tunes may vary among certain combinations and brands, there is still a predominant state of being that is the limitation for Pump gasoline, that is, with current "conventional", Dome design.
So many think that residual heat generation from the combustion process is a prerequisite in 2-stroke engine operation and can not be avoided. That is FALSE!
It is my perspective that there is a fundamental flaw in the design and operation of this "Conventional" mind set. This flaw, as I see it has traversed itself in a way of approaching detontaion thresholds and thus power productions on a given octane fuel.
The Problem
As it stands right now, with current Dome design, people are having to turn to, in alarming quantities, High octane racing fuels in some form or another. This being in the form of Pump/Race gas mixes to out & out straight racing fuels, or even worse Av-Gas.
Take one glance through these forums especialy, as well as others, and a popular trend becomes quite aparent. That is, in order to run elevated cylinder pressures a more detonation resistant fuel is needed.
We all undertsand WHY it is done. This is simply because nobody wants their junk to blow up, but we don't see the real reason behind this "Why". Atleast not yet fully as an industry and consumers. We see the detonation or pre-ignition aspect of it, and while the cause is apparently clear, the solution doesn't appear to be so. That is, atleast, not yet.
Current State of Technology
The current design of domes have some very interesting traits that lend themselves to being very pooor in Flame propogation, Quench area Detonation, Directional pessure wave control, and energy transfer. No matter whos "better" design you choose from you undoubtedly end up with a final point of increased compression ratio before detonation, from one of the above mentioned sources, rears its ugly head. Then begins the travel down the path to more detonation resistant fuels.
Many decades have been spent trying to refine this basic architecture of a rased dome chamber. If there was a way to make this design perform better, it would undoubtedly have been found by now, right?
There is currently a multitude of maufacturers each with there own take on this old concept. Each being only marginaly better than the least able one on up. They are purchased in droves every year by hopefull enthusiasts such as ourselves looking for that extra performance to be found in a bolt-in part. Yet in the end, we feel somewhat duped as our expectations have led us astary to real world gains.
We are left eventualy resorting to the tried and true engine savior that is high-Octane racing fuel.
Race Gas sucks!
Before I get a bunch of hate mail on bashing race fuel, hear me out...
For so many the avenue of more power and higher octane requirements is a slow and resistant path. It starts off as mixing pump fuels and race gas to save money and to add just that extra bit of protection to keep from junking your engine. Then as your desire for power increases you begin to go in transistion from 50/50 mixes to 60/40 to 70/30 and so on. Then the next thing you know you are carrying 50Gal drums to your outings so you don't run out of the go juice that keeps your beast alive and breathing.
The cost of race fuel vs Pump gasoline is irrefutable. The availability is much more of a pain than many like to realize or admit. There is the storage, the transporting, the known environmental and health risks involved with handling and using it. It is stuff that just doesn't belong in engines if they don't need it.
Furthermore, many do not know HOW race fuel is able to have the burn resistance that it does. Not to mention how this impacts actual power production. Race fuel uses much heavier Hydrocarbon chains that are much more difficult to break up. They do not vaporize as well and therefore their detonation cielings are elevated. The propblem is that most engines run better on fuels with a higher ratio of easier vaporizing components, or light hydrocarbons. The light hydrocarbons are easier to evaporate and combust and actualy lend to increased energy conversion when used in the proper application.
Fact is an engine, that doesn't require the octane, will make more power on pump gas fuels. So we need to make the engines not require the octane. Sounds simple enough, right?
What is needed
Without a doubt what is needed is a chamber design that eliminates the problems of conventional design theory. That much is clear.
Challlenging Convention
If the conventional way of designing a chamber is fundamentaly flawed, why continue to use it? Something has to be better than something that works so apparently awefull.
It hasn't been discover yet, right? WRONG!
I have been blessed with being shown a design of chamber that challenges what convetional thinking tells us. Convention tells us that over certain compression ratios that running pump gasoline is not possible, that is FALSE!
Convention also tells us that residual exhaust heat enegry in the form of EGT is unavoidable. It isn't if energy conversion, by pressure wave to surface area interaction, is done properly.
I'm not stupid, Just crazy!
Don't think for a minute that I would come on a national site like this and drop a baited hook in the water without the test to haul in what I am fishing for.
The design I am talking about has been proven, now it needs to be validated.
What if...
I am not going to give specifics here but simply ask "what if?".
What if heat energy was being traded for compression energy?
What if 15-16:1 Compression could be ran on 87octane (91RON) whether at sea level or in the mountains?
What if this was with twin pipes or single pipes?
What if Cylinder temps were reduced because of drastic improvements in energy conversion eliminated piston siezing and exhaust side destruction of pistons?
Open Source
I know what I am saying is way beyond convention and that is why it works. I hope this thread will be filled with conversation and exchanges of ideas.
If anyone has questions on how these domes work I welcome the exchange. I will gladly share whatever knowledge can be divulged without giving it ll away. if someone figures it out on their own, then so be it, more power to them.
To prove that I am not just blowing smoke, I am going to be showing my findings in a semi-open source manner. I am not the originator of this design, just the person whos gets to refine it, for our market demographic, and realease it for all to share. As such...
Volunteers needed!
I am in need of 5 very specific test subjects to run these chambers, for FREE!. Before people get excited and I receive a bunch of requests I must be very clear on what I am looking for in test subjects.
The following are requirements for what I am looking for:
1) The sleds must be Carbureted only!
2) I am looking for the following manufacturers/ Mods
1 Polaris turbocharged sled, any engine size
2 AcrticCat sleds, any engine size, one N/A one turbocharged
3) Sleds must be equiped with some form of EGT and Wideband monitoring, More data aquisition capabilities would be great
4) I must be supplied with a stock bridge for each vehicle that will be recieving chambers. You will get your bridges back, modified, to accept these chambers. I am doing this to save time and money. You will be free to test them at your leasure and simply provide me with your findings and data. I will work with you every step of the way. PM me and we can talk.
Closing
I know what I have stated will be hard for many to believe, and that's OK. I hardly believed it myslef. But what I am saying is True and Honest. Believe me, I wouldn't be going through all this trouble and give away my hard work for nothing.
I know there are a lot of people on here that are Dying for something like this for their sled. They are tired of wasting money on race gas and other high octane gasolines and are craving a real, honest design that performs as stated.
Again, I embrace input and question form anyone. I will do my best to answer questions anyone may have.
I'm not trying to sell anything...
Overview
Everyone pretty much knows the current state of what compression ratios can be run, within certain detonation thresholds, on given fuel at a given altitude. While certain applications and parts and tunes may vary among certain combinations and brands, there is still a predominant state of being that is the limitation for Pump gasoline, that is, with current "conventional", Dome design.
So many think that residual heat generation from the combustion process is a prerequisite in 2-stroke engine operation and can not be avoided. That is FALSE!
It is my perspective that there is a fundamental flaw in the design and operation of this "Conventional" mind set. This flaw, as I see it has traversed itself in a way of approaching detontaion thresholds and thus power productions on a given octane fuel.
The Problem
As it stands right now, with current Dome design, people are having to turn to, in alarming quantities, High octane racing fuels in some form or another. This being in the form of Pump/Race gas mixes to out & out straight racing fuels, or even worse Av-Gas.
Take one glance through these forums especialy, as well as others, and a popular trend becomes quite aparent. That is, in order to run elevated cylinder pressures a more detonation resistant fuel is needed.
We all undertsand WHY it is done. This is simply because nobody wants their junk to blow up, but we don't see the real reason behind this "Why". Atleast not yet fully as an industry and consumers. We see the detonation or pre-ignition aspect of it, and while the cause is apparently clear, the solution doesn't appear to be so. That is, atleast, not yet.
Current State of Technology
The current design of domes have some very interesting traits that lend themselves to being very pooor in Flame propogation, Quench area Detonation, Directional pessure wave control, and energy transfer. No matter whos "better" design you choose from you undoubtedly end up with a final point of increased compression ratio before detonation, from one of the above mentioned sources, rears its ugly head. Then begins the travel down the path to more detonation resistant fuels.
Many decades have been spent trying to refine this basic architecture of a rased dome chamber. If there was a way to make this design perform better, it would undoubtedly have been found by now, right?
There is currently a multitude of maufacturers each with there own take on this old concept. Each being only marginaly better than the least able one on up. They are purchased in droves every year by hopefull enthusiasts such as ourselves looking for that extra performance to be found in a bolt-in part. Yet in the end, we feel somewhat duped as our expectations have led us astary to real world gains.
We are left eventualy resorting to the tried and true engine savior that is high-Octane racing fuel.
Race Gas sucks!
Before I get a bunch of hate mail on bashing race fuel, hear me out...
For so many the avenue of more power and higher octane requirements is a slow and resistant path. It starts off as mixing pump fuels and race gas to save money and to add just that extra bit of protection to keep from junking your engine. Then as your desire for power increases you begin to go in transistion from 50/50 mixes to 60/40 to 70/30 and so on. Then the next thing you know you are carrying 50Gal drums to your outings so you don't run out of the go juice that keeps your beast alive and breathing.
The cost of race fuel vs Pump gasoline is irrefutable. The availability is much more of a pain than many like to realize or admit. There is the storage, the transporting, the known environmental and health risks involved with handling and using it. It is stuff that just doesn't belong in engines if they don't need it.
Furthermore, many do not know HOW race fuel is able to have the burn resistance that it does. Not to mention how this impacts actual power production. Race fuel uses much heavier Hydrocarbon chains that are much more difficult to break up. They do not vaporize as well and therefore their detonation cielings are elevated. The propblem is that most engines run better on fuels with a higher ratio of easier vaporizing components, or light hydrocarbons. The light hydrocarbons are easier to evaporate and combust and actualy lend to increased energy conversion when used in the proper application.
Fact is an engine, that doesn't require the octane, will make more power on pump gas fuels. So we need to make the engines not require the octane. Sounds simple enough, right?
What is needed
Without a doubt what is needed is a chamber design that eliminates the problems of conventional design theory. That much is clear.
Challlenging Convention
If the conventional way of designing a chamber is fundamentaly flawed, why continue to use it? Something has to be better than something that works so apparently awefull.
It hasn't been discover yet, right? WRONG!
I have been blessed with being shown a design of chamber that challenges what convetional thinking tells us. Convention tells us that over certain compression ratios that running pump gasoline is not possible, that is FALSE!
Convention also tells us that residual exhaust heat enegry in the form of EGT is unavoidable. It isn't if energy conversion, by pressure wave to surface area interaction, is done properly.
I'm not stupid, Just crazy!
Don't think for a minute that I would come on a national site like this and drop a baited hook in the water without the test to haul in what I am fishing for.
The design I am talking about has been proven, now it needs to be validated.
What if...
I am not going to give specifics here but simply ask "what if?".
What if heat energy was being traded for compression energy?
What if 15-16:1 Compression could be ran on 87octane (91RON) whether at sea level or in the mountains?
What if this was with twin pipes or single pipes?
What if Cylinder temps were reduced because of drastic improvements in energy conversion eliminated piston siezing and exhaust side destruction of pistons?
Open Source
I know what I am saying is way beyond convention and that is why it works. I hope this thread will be filled with conversation and exchanges of ideas.
If anyone has questions on how these domes work I welcome the exchange. I will gladly share whatever knowledge can be divulged without giving it ll away. if someone figures it out on their own, then so be it, more power to them.
To prove that I am not just blowing smoke, I am going to be showing my findings in a semi-open source manner. I am not the originator of this design, just the person whos gets to refine it, for our market demographic, and realease it for all to share. As such...
Volunteers needed!
I am in need of 5 very specific test subjects to run these chambers, for FREE!. Before people get excited and I receive a bunch of requests I must be very clear on what I am looking for in test subjects.
The following are requirements for what I am looking for:
1) The sleds must be Carbureted only!
2) I am looking for the following manufacturers/ Mods
1 Polaris turbocharged sled, any engine size
2 AcrticCat sleds, any engine size, one N/A one turbocharged
3) Sleds must be equiped with some form of EGT and Wideband monitoring, More data aquisition capabilities would be great
4) I must be supplied with a stock bridge for each vehicle that will be recieving chambers. You will get your bridges back, modified, to accept these chambers. I am doing this to save time and money. You will be free to test them at your leasure and simply provide me with your findings and data. I will work with you every step of the way. PM me and we can talk.
Closing
I know what I have stated will be hard for many to believe, and that's OK. I hardly believed it myslef. But what I am saying is True and Honest. Believe me, I wouldn't be going through all this trouble and give away my hard work for nothing.
I know there are a lot of people on here that are Dying for something like this for their sled. They are tired of wasting money on race gas and other high octane gasolines and are craving a real, honest design that performs as stated.
Again, I embrace input and question form anyone. I will do my best to answer questions anyone may have.
